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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Are there levels of Hell?
« Last post by james03 on Today at 09:49:02 PM »
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and He gives this inwardly and immediately, which reduces power to act. And this reduction of sufficient grace to efficacious grace is brought about by God alone, as often, and whenever, a man acts for supernatural good.

1.  A heathen is given insufficient grace.  He is like a man covering his eyes from the sun.  God then sends him efficacious grace which forces the man to remove his hands so he can see the sun.

2.  A baptized Catholic s given insufficient grace.  He is like a man covering his eyes from the sun.  God then sends him efficacious grace which forces the man to remove his hands so he can see the sun.

So Sanctifying Grace does nothing.  It is just a legal imputation of Christ's Justice.  We have Luther's dung pile covered with snow and Calvin's Total Depravity, even of the justified.

I also don't see anything about Free Will and cooperation with Grace in your description.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Are there levels of Hell?
« Last post by james03 on Today at 09:42:55 PM »
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CANON IV.-If any one saith, that man's free will moved and excited by God, by assenting to God exciting and calling, nowise co-operates towards disposing and preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; that it cannot refuse its consent, if it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive; let him be anathema.

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CANON XXIV.-If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Take the Heresy Challenge!
« Last post by dellery on Today at 09:24:54 PM »

Give me a Catholic doctrine, any one, whether solemnly defined or not, and I, Quaremerepulisti, will hit you with a great explanation of why its denial isn't really a contradiction, but a "deeper understanding", a "rich new vision", a "startling development", another "milestone on the pilgrim journey of the People of God".

(Extra kudos to anyone who gets the reference to a Fozzy Bear skit on an early episode of the Muppet Show.)

Is this a legitimate inquiry?  In light of certain recent statements in another thread the way you have phrased your question comes across as mockery partially of the Church and partially of yourself (when we take all your statements in context.)

I'm just reading it as a mockery of the Modernists, which I'm totally ok with

Yes, this is what I presumed also, nmoerbeek.

No, he's clearly trashing the Church.
He's just pointing his finger at those who weakened Her so that others may complete the act and stab Her in the back.
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Personally Iíll take my chances with Jews over child rapists.
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Catholic Liturgical Life / Re: St. Michael's Lent
« Last post by sedmohradsko on Today at 09:13:56 PM »
Wow, and I thought we Byzantines had it rough!  Is the rogation of the ninevites similar in purpose to Latin rogation days?
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Observing all the hysterical Jacobin shrieks echoing throughout this board from his admirers, you'd this Mr. child killing Shapiro is working on being the next great saint.

I was waiting for somebody to dig this up.

Thanks Geremia, for caring enough about the Church to explore the character of Her accusers.
Look how all your Barrabas loving fellows drew their daggers out instead.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: our lady and "secrets"
« Last post by PerEvangelicaDicta on Today at 09:10:03 PM »
Re: St Bernadette, she said Our Holy Mother said the 'secrets' were only for her.  Probably best to categorize it as a private conversation, between Heaven and St. Bernadette.  Frankly, I find that precious.

Re:  Our Lady of Knock - it wasn't coded, but silent.  No words were heard by any of the Faithful who witnessed the apparition.  Many have designated their own interpretation of it.  Since the parish priest was dedicated to the Souls in Purgatory and had just finished 100 daily Masses that day for relief of the Church Suffering, it is right that this apparition is tied to the Holy Souls, for whom She intercedes.

I've been to Knock, and let me tell you, it shakes one to the core.  I approached the apparition chapel more in curiosity, but there is a palpable sense of holiness.  It took my breath away.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Take the Heresy Challenge!
« Last post by Sockpuppet on Today at 09:04:39 PM »

Give me a Catholic doctrine, any one, whether solemnly defined or not, and I, Quaremerepulisti, will hit you with a great explanation of why its denial isn't really a contradiction, but a "deeper understanding", a "rich new vision", a "startling development", another "milestone on the pilgrim journey of the People of God".

(Extra kudos to anyone who gets the reference to a Fozzy Bear skit on an early episode of the Muppet Show.)

Is this a legitimate inquiry?  In light of certain recent statements in another thread the way you have phrased your question comes across as mockery partially of the Church and partially of yourself (when we take all your statements in context.)

I'm just reading it as a mockery of the Modernists, which I'm totally ok with

 :doh:

Yup, his posts arenít just about the modernists but the nature of the Church itself.
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Catholic Liturgical Life / Re: St. Michael's Lent
« Last post by aquinas138 on Today at 08:55:18 PM »
The Ethiopians, Eritreans and Copts have a very large number of fast days. All in all, about half the year (~180 days) is obligatory fasting for lay Ethiopians/Eritreans, and for monastics and priests, it is a bit more than two-thirds (~250 days); Coptic rules are similar. Dispensations are very rare, usually only for illness and pregnancy. In addition to the Byzantine fasts, Ethiopians/Eritreans (and most of the Oriental Orthodox) add a three-day fast called the Rogation of the Ninevites, which is kept on the Monday-Wednesday before the Roman Septuagesima. Fasting means one meal only, and food and drink may only be taken after about 3 in the afternoon, and the fast prohibits meat, fats, eggs, and dairy products, as well as smoking. Priests are expected to read the psalter more or less around the clock and subsist on dry grains and water. In Ethiopian and Eritrean churches, special fast day prayer services are held every day beginning around 9am; these generally last 5-6 hours.

They do not observe any fasting at all from Easter to Pentecost, even Wednesdays and Fridays.

Needless to say, this is a serious undertaking, especially given the severity of the climate in the Horn of Africa!
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I think Pope Francis has been shockingly quiet about this all. Heís usually willing to make grand statements, make big gestures, and ruffle feathers particularly when heís likely to be praised by the media for it.

But on child abuse heís uncharacteristicly careful with his language.

I hope Iím wrong, but I donít think it would be shocking to find out the Bueno Aires diocese was run very similarly to all of the Pennsylvania dioceses. And when - not if - those documents get released showing what the Pope knew and when he knew it, I suspect itís not going to be good.
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