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Online Philip G.

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« on: September 07, 2021, 03:56:40 PM »
I enjoy reading western books and watching old western movies.  And, the casino/gambling is usually a part of that genre.  As a result, along with a lack of depth in my opinion concerning morality/doctrine from the church on the matter, I think about the morality of gambling.  And, what the real crux of the issue is.  And, I think the real crux of the issue is fiat currency. 

On the one hand, you have the miser, who counts his coins, and is miserable, because those coins have no real lasting worth. In a man's world, they are in essence merely fiat currency.  They are worth something because a man says they are.  That is the fiat element.  Then, on the other end of the spectrum, you have the people who refuse to be misers, yet also refuse the modesty that comes with being a Christian, so they inevitably gravitate to the end of the spectrum opposite the miser by abusing/gambling with money, as opposed to idolizing/coveting money.

Yet, currency, whether it be fiat or not, serves a purpose, and is therefore not entirely worthless.  So, these abuses in themselves are not/never enough.  The gambling man/casino boss needs to double down, and create a fiat currency for that fiat currency.  This we know as the "casino token".  And, this crafty device is precisely what enables casinos to grow out of control in wealth and influence.  The same is said of the usurer who finds the practice of jewelry inadequate, and needs to progress all the way to reasoning that "debt" is ultimately money/value.  Both of these extremes will devour one in short time, until you either lose all of your physical wealth, or on the other extreme all of your spiritual wealth. These two evils are flip sides of the same coin.

The problem with it all is fiat currency.  If you want to get rid of casino's and their by-products like "The Don"/donald trump for example, and banks with their puppet politicians from ruining the world, outlaw illicit fiat currency.  And, this is to be defined as all money that is not explicitly issued by the lawgiver, who in this case in the USA is the legislative branch of government.   Outlaw casino tokens, and outlaw banks from lending.  Notice I did not say lending at interest.  I said lending, because banks should not have a right to lend money that is not theirs, which is also a form of illicit "fiat currency", and that is what we ultimately after.   Casinos do not have the right to issue currency/"a token", and banks should not have a right to issue a "loan".  This is the crux of the matter in my opinion.

You cannot stamp out all evil, and you certainly cannot do it overnight.  With that said, sure gambling can be culturally tolerated, and banks can be tolerated. But, gamblers can only gamble with usa legal tender.  And, banks can only loan money that is entirely theirs.  And note, it is quite an oxy moron for a miser who counts his coins(the scrooge old fashioned banker/usurer caricature) to lend out their same coins the way that modern banks do.  It is not reasonable.  The fiat "token" is the vehicle for the particularly destructive vice that is gambling.  And, the fiat "loan" is the vehicle of the particularly destructive vice that is usury.  Jesus said "give without expecting return".  Without these vehicles, I doubt we would care much about the activity.   


« Last Edit: September 07, 2021, 04:01:57 PM by Philip G. »
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Re: Gambling
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2021, 04:50:26 PM »
Iíll still play Texas hold Ďem for petty cash with my buddies over drinks ever time they come out. Like anything that isnít explicitly sinful in nature, gambling is fine in moderation. As long as youíre not betting your mortgage away, I think itís fine to gamble.
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Re: Gambling
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2021, 11:48:56 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_token

"Furthermore, it is observed that consumers gamble more freely with replacement currencies than with cash."

On the flipside, who would have thought that people might max out their credit cards? 


« Last Edit: September 08, 2021, 12:04:10 AM by Philip G. »
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Re: Gambling
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2021, 12:02:01 AM »
Iíll still play Texas hold Ďem for petty cash with my buddies over drinks ever time they come out. Like anything that isnít explicitly sinful in nature, gambling is fine in moderation. As long as youíre not betting your mortgage away, I think itís fine to gamble.

If you have a sitting "death pledge", French for mortgage, you really are in no position to be gambling at all.  Hence, the implicitly sinful nature of the act(gambling) to any degree given your particular's scenario. 
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Re: Gambling
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2021, 12:06:00 PM »
The old timers here bring a bag of change for their sheephead games, that way you get the element of gambling without losing the farm.
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Re: Gambling
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2021, 12:52:20 PM »
Iíll still play Texas hold Ďem for petty cash with my buddies over drinks ever time they come out. Like anything that isnít explicitly sinful in nature, gambling is fine in moderation. As long as youíre not betting your mortgage away, I think itís fine to gamble.

If you have a sitting "death pledge", French for mortgage, you really are in no position to be gambling at all.  Hence, the implicitly sinful nature of the act(gambling) to any degree given your particular's scenario.

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Re: Gambling
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2021, 03:22:07 AM »
The only reason catholics entertain gambling "lite" is because heavy gambling is such a major part of the culture we live in, that we easily gravitate to such perceived cultural fun.  If our culture was actually not anti-catholic, honestly not a tall order in reality, only in the times we live as a result of indoctrination, we wouldn't be stuck with such lousy pass times, but instead find our entertainment elsewhere.  We might even be blessed as catholics to lead the way when it comes to culture/entertainment, as opposed to sticking with such tailings.
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Re: Gambling
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2021, 11:40:31 PM »
Gambling and usury are twin sisters.  I don't know about you, but even at the others insistence, I am not going to accept a 5% increase upon return when I loan someone two bucks.  I am not going to accept in on principle, as opposed to not accepting it because its such a petty small amount that few would actually care about.  It is the principle of the thing.
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Re: Gambling
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2021, 07:13:09 AM »
Would you like to shake hands with Pope 1 or Pope 2 -
 me (inspired by Dr Seuss) see: https://seuss.fandom.com/wiki/Thing_One_and_Thing_Two

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