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Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« on: September 21, 2022, 06:39:52 PM »
Just because one turns 18 doesn't make them "magically" an adult. When I turned 18 I never once thought "Hey, I can now purchase adult magazines and smoke cigarettes!" (See: Lady Bird). I never thought "I can now legally sleep with that immensely attractive female teacher who's 33!" (This thought never happened; just a hypothetical.) Legally I could have, but should that action be acted upon?

This is a grave issue I see in Western society. My parents are from the East, where many parts recognize 18 is an adult but it's definitely not looked at the same way Western society does. Western society, for whatever reason, the "18 is an adult" seems like a "let the cattle out of the enclosure" sorta thing that just screams of pure nonsense.

18 for me was never a "what I can and can't do" but a "I can now be charged as an adult instead of a minor under the law" realization. I felt more grownup when I turned 16. Why? I could now drive without an adult and with that all the responsibilities of driving safely. I could now go to places without being dependent on their schedule or plead with them to drive me places. Getting a job at 16 and paying taxes was an added responsibility that turned 18 as a boring, uneventful day. 18 was just 18. Just because I could do certain things didn't mean I should.

But Western society treats 18 yr olds like new members of the Debauchery Club as they waited in (some) silence until I and others turned 18. Newly minted 18 yr olds, as if they were never guided by their parents (and their lack or nonexistence of faith), gladly accepted the invitation.

18 doesn't make an adult in the truest sense because what if that age of majority/consent was 17? 20? 21? It just makes you a victim your legally bad choices. A OBGYN physician said, and I paraphrase "Yes, 18 makes one an 'adult', but we all know they're not truly an adult. Today, 20 is a mini-adult while 22 one should actually start showings signs of true maturity."

An 18 yr old is still a "kid." Physically mature? Sure, for the most part, but the maturation of the body means nothing when the cognitive and spiritual aspects are undeveloped. An 18 yr old is practically an 'adult' with training wheels; a handicap.
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2022, 04:22:27 AM »
This thinking of 18 is an adult, endemic here in Ireland and my son when he turned 18 thought all of a sudden I couldn't ask him questions about where he was going or say no to any of his plans, thought I hadn't the right to put a curfew etc because he was 18 (to be fair, he is a good kid but was definitely pushing boundaries).

I cured it very quickly with ' right, you want to be an adult well then you don't pick what parts of adulthood you want, like the going out with friends and spending money your own way without responsibilities.  Adulthood also includes paying your own bill, roof over your head, taking on more physical work, making your own way into town (we don't drive here until 18 and even then with cost of insurance it can take a few more years) so you can start by moving out, paying your own bills and cycling 12 miles into work and play.

That stops him in his tracks.

 
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2022, 10:13:41 AM »
Historically 18 is on the older side.  A lot of men who fought and died in recent wars were 18.

In agriculture days, boys would work everyday on the farm with their Dad.  They were definitely men by 16.  More mature than a lot of 30 yr. olds today.
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2022, 11:26:43 AM »
A lot of Americans say their children have to be out of the house when after they turn eighteen because they are adults.  Problem is that many of those same parents didn't teach their children how to be adults, so they are sending out their children with no experience, knowledge, or wisdom.  If we're going to consider children to become adults at that age, they have to be trained well before that.
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2022, 01:05:55 PM »
Historically 18 is on the older side.  A lot of men who fought and died in recent wars were 18.

In agriculture days, boys would work everyday on the farm with their Dad.  They were definitely men by 16.  More mature than a lot of 30 yr. olds today.

Yes its a pity that system is gone and the focus became on education solely.  Just to add, I don't hold my son back either, he lived in the city last year doing his course, cycled to his college and held a part time job so he didn't cost us a cent.  He is back up for 2nd year training again. He travelled to Switzerland for a few days by himself also.  I think it is healthy to loosen the rope gradually until they can really fend for themselves.  Its the attitude that once your 18 you don't need any more guidance or permission anymore and parents are tossing boy children out on their own and they head straight for the decadent lifstyle.
 
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2022, 03:41:32 PM »
Historically 18 is on the older side.  A lot of men who fought and died in recent wars were 18.

In agriculture days, boys would work everyday on the farm with their Dad.  They were definitely men by 16.  More mature than a lot of 30 yr. olds today.
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2022, 02:19:51 PM »
Historically 18 is on the older side.  A lot of men who fought and died in recent wars were 18.

In agriculture days, boys would work everyday on the farm with their Dad.  They were definitely men by 16.  More mature than a lot of 30 yr. olds today.

That's the amusing part. In the past, adulthood was considered at a younger age but without the "I can do this now and there's nothing you can say about it" attitude. If you're in your mid-twenties as a woman and you're single your parents would be worried on why you haven't had an suitors. If you're 30 and single you'd be considered sprinster. Of Course back then times were less luxurious where society wasn't nearly as developed as today. Those times needed more hands on deck than today. I also read somewhere that at age 14 a teenage boy was considered a man.

It's just today many things are just backwards on how we approach certain milestones and topics.
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2022, 02:25:39 PM »
A lot of Americans say their children have to be out of the house when after they turn eighteen because they are adults.  Problem is that many of those same parents didn't teach their children how to be adults, so they are sending out their children with no experience, knowledge, or wisdom.  If we're going to consider children to become adults at that age, they have to be trained well before that.

I actually know some parents who did this where I live (US). I'm not entirely opposed to this, but those that were put in that situation did say it was rather tough the first couple of years, though they gradually got use to it. I know in the US it's more common than, say, Western Europe for parents to greatly urge their childcare to move out "because you're 18 now." In Asia it's okay to still be living with your parents until you get married. I think getting a place of your own, whether owned or rented, as a sign of "being an adult" is culturally relative. With that said, I cannot deny the experience of working within a budget as one pays rent and food that's greatly stressful and rewarding at the same time IF one does manage it at 18/19. To me that's truly a sink or swim stage because going back home with your tail between legs just isn't an option due to ego.
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2022, 02:35:55 PM »
Its the attitude that once your 18 you don't need any more guidance or permission anymore and parents are tossing boy children out on their own and they head straight for the decadent lifstyle.

This is what I'm trying to get at. I'm no longer 18 but I still listen to my parents even though at times I don't want to. They may have a good point or they may not. I then, as a "legal adult" discern my own perspective, theirs and maybe someone else's and then make a decision. I just never completely wrapped my head around the Western belief that once you're 18 you're "an adult" where that and consent was the only thing that mattered. There seems to be no balance - no proper weening and no proper scaffolding of potential wisdom of not whether what one can do, but whether one should do X or Y or engage in Z. There is no foresight, just "here and now" which isn't romantic once one thinks about it.
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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2022, 02:36:27 PM »
Adulthood should be 36. The year you assume your full rights as a man. Women aren't allowed, they are classified with children and the handicapped as mentally unsound.
 

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Re: Shower Thought: Age of Consent/Majority = Adult is Rather Absurd
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2022, 05:05:31 PM »
Adulthood should be 36. The year you assume your full rights as a man. Women aren't allowed, they are classified with children and the handicapped as mentally unsound.

Really?
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