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Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« on: November 07, 2015, 03:00:07 PM »
In 1773, Pope Clement XIV promulgated the papal brief Dominus ac Redemptor. In this, he suppressed the Society of Jesus. I'm asking if  it's infallible because i'm not sure what papal infallibility really is. Some Catholics  seem to think that it means everything a pope says and writes is infallible.  Others say that only things that deal with faith and morals are infallible. And if it was infallible, then why was the order restored later on?
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Re: Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2015, 03:08:53 PM »
It was not infallible.
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Re: Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2015, 05:28:21 PM »
If you do not know what papal infallibility consists of, then I suggest you read the documents of Vatican I. Furthermore, no Catholic believes that everything a pope says or writes is infallible, so I don't know where you got that idea from.

As far as the suppression of the Jesuits is concerned: it was probably covered by the disciplinary infallibility of the Church, which holds that none of the Church's legitimate and authoritative decrees can ever bring harm to souls.
 

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Re: Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2015, 05:40:11 PM »
If the Society's suppression had been indeed infallible, then Pope Pius VII could not possibly have it lifted in 1814 in the Bull Sollicitudo Omnium Ecclesiarum. What is infallible is in fact immutable, irreformable, and true for all ages.
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Re: Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2015, 05:59:40 PM »
Furthermore, no Catholic believes that everything a pope says or writes is infallible

Somebodys never met a neoCath ;)
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Re: Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2015, 07:19:51 PM »
Furthermore, no Catholic believes that everything a pope says or writes is infallible

Somebodys never met a neoCath ;)

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Re: Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2015, 07:40:34 PM »
Given the far left pensioners who are the typical Jesuits nowadays, maybe the suppression was a good thing.
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Re: Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2015, 08:00:23 PM »
If the Society's suppression had been indeed infallible, then Pope Pius VII could not possibly have it lifted in 1814 in the Bull Sollicitudo Omnium Ecclesiarum. What is infallible is in fact immutable, irreformable, and true for all ages.

There is a distinction between doctrinal infallibility, as seen with the decrees of ecumenical councils and the ex cathedra declarations of the popes, and disciplinary infallibility pertaining to the ecclesiastical laws of the Church. See here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05030a.htm

Somebodys never met a neoCath ;)

I've met plenty of neoCaths, just not any that actually believed every utterance of the pope to be protected by papal infallibility. They may have, at times, reacted harshly to any criticism of a given papal directive or what have you, but when pressed they would admit that these statements were not ex cathedra.
 
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Re: Was the suppression of the Jesuits infallible?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2015, 08:22:14 PM »
Furthermore, no Catholic believes that everything a pope says or writes is infallible

Somebodys never met a neoCath ;)

Or certain (not all) sedevacantists.