Before today's Consecration of Humanity, (plus Ukraine and Russia), or shortly thereafter, state for the record whether you think the consecration will be valid, unsure or invalid and what you think will be the result. You can suggest up to 3 non-mutually exclusive outcomes, your best guesses.
Otherwise we will be in the 1984 Consecration for the next few decades and every piece of positive news will be spun as an "effect of the consecration" just as the fall of the Iron Curtain was spun as an effect of the 1984 Consecration. This thread then act as a permanent record of what you thought at the time.
I think today's consecration will not be valid.
I think the war in Ukraine will escalate after today, NATO will get themselves involved, and the world will be chastised by bankruptcy, banking crashes economic depression and/or nuclear war. The consecration will be done correctly only after intense suffering. The motive will be sheer terror on the part of the Bishops and a realisation that what was done today was not what was requested.
If you are unsure, then say what future event would make you decide one way or another.
Hi MaximG.
I predict the Consecration will be done correctly later today and will result in Peace for the World, a non-escalation of the current conflict to a Nuclear War or a World War III, and in the Russian Church obtaining the Great Grace of Full Freedom from the State. Russia will both have Peace and happily return to her Orthodox Christian Faith and also in time will desire Re-Union with the Catholic Church. If even a Partial Consecration had such manifest positive effects in my opinion as the partial downfall of Communism in the former Soviet bloc, and a return to at least Orthodox Christianity within about 10 years after 84, it's reasonable to expect the Complete Consecration to have Greater Effects like those I mentioned above to occur within the next 10 to 12 years imo
I personally expect the Year 2033 A.D., the 2000th Anniversary of Redemption, to be Glorious. The Churches are already plannimg some kind of Joint Commemoration of this Grand Jubilee. It could be the Year of Full Rome-Russia Re-Union or Full Healing after it.
It should be noted that in August 2014, Our Lady gave some locutions, authorized for publication by Msgr. John Esseff, that agreed with what Trads had said for 30 years: (1) The Complete Consecration of Russia had not yet been done. When it was done, there would be (2) True World Peace under Christ's Kingship and the Queenship of the Immaculata (3) the Conversion of Russia and other nations. See the full locutions for that. I post just an excerpt of one particular message below.
"August 17, 2014
A New Culture of Peace
Mary
After the Consecration of Russia, the beginning gift will be a conversion of hearts of those who control the nations. New ideas of peace initiatives will surface. World leaders will see that peace is in their self-interest. They should have seen this earlier but were blinded by Satan. Nations will move to true peace agreements, not the false pieces of paper they now call treaties.
The hearts of the people will move in the same directions. The hunger for war and the use of weapons to gain natural interests will be seen as outmoded ideas, the products of the past, foolish concepts that have no life in this new thinking.
The wisdom of true peace that was set aside in the selfish pursuits will regain its rightful place. Peace will be a constant, powerful light, set upon the lampstand. Even those whose hearts are not touched will be forced to walk on this new path by the power of the new culture of peace.
Comment: The world has a spirit of war and self-interest. The consecration of Russia will change individual hearts and create a new culture of peace."
https://maryrefugeofsouls.com/locutions-to-the-world/2014-messages-locutions-to-the-world/
Hi Xavier,
Msg Essef's locutions are private revelations and have proven to be false. Be careful when promoting these for the sake of others.
https://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2015/09/locutions-to-world-false-visionary.html
The link Xavier used mentions other unapproved so called apparitions, medj. being one.
Quote from: MaximGun on March 25, 2022, 04:08:12 AMI think the war in Ukraine will escalate after today, NATO will get themselves involved, and the world will be chastised by bankruptcy, banking crashes economic depression and/or nuclear war. The consecration will be done correctly only after intense suffering. The motive will be sheer terror on the part of the Bishops and a realisation that what was done today was not what was requested.
I hope my intuition is wrong on this, and will assuredly pray much at the time of the consecration for Russia's promised conversion to occur as soon as possible so that the chastisement may be softened as much as possible — (Our Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from us; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.)
BUT. I feel that you are probably correct in your prediction. If I am to make a record on the day of the consecration of what I then believed to be the most probable scenario, I can do nothing more honest than adding my signature to your prediction, I'm afraid. I think the war will escalate and Russia will be the instrument to chastise the West. Then Russia will convert and become a leading Christian power.
Certain severe warnings I have been given, that shook me to the core with what seemed as prophetic power, constitute one of the reasons why I am prone to believe this. (Of course, even if there is a truth in these warnings, I am not one to say that God may not choose to hold back that flaming sword for some reason and respond mercifully sooner rather than later.)
I realize this isn't worth much for anyone else (I am not a spiritual authority), but I will make a short description of one of these warnings I received anyway. In a clear, visionary dream of unusual power which I had on the 4th of February, I was shown how God is about to remove some kind of protective field and let loose the Fire in the Earth. After feeling the fire begin to heat the earth under my feet, everyone present including myself were forcefully drawn upwards into the air, out of our comfortable shelters and into a terrifying lightning-storm above us. We continued to rise towards the thundering sky amidst the experience of overwhelming awe and fear at the divine power. Although I was in profound fear, I also knew it to be the will of God and was thus able to resign and submit myself to Him, while waiting for the lightning bolts to hit me.
Before I knew this war of Ukraine and Russia was about to begin, I was also shown banking collapse (exactly as you say), war between East and West, the coming of the false Messiah (Antichrist) etc.
But on the lighter side, also that we will soon have a true king and leader among us again, which I believe will coincide with the conversion of Russia.
The only thing we can do is to surrender trustingly to God now, pray and hope for the best. Meditate and listen in stillness to see if He has any personal guidance for you and obey Him.
I don't think much good will come from what happens today, either immediately or down the road several years. In fact I think things will progressively get worse. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I will be.
I certainly don't think Russia will be converted and the Era of Peace will commence as a result of all of this either.
I think it was likely valid, about 80%.
I believe one of three things will happen:
1) Russia converts relatively immediately (within the next 20 years).
2) We get a Trad Pope, either Francis' successor or the Pope after.
3) Because the consecration was almost too late, the west is chastised resulting in the liberals taking "emergency measures" and serious persecution of the faithful.
2 and 3 are just best guesses on my end, 1 is the only one I'm sure of.
This "consecration" is clearly invalid.
We have clear means of evaluating the validity of the text.
We have clear criteria of evaluating the results.
This is not a matter of emotion it is a matter of logic and reason. The text and execution are invalid.
You get what you pray for and they are not praying for what Heaven instructed.
So we will not get:
1. The conversion of Russia
2. The Triumph of the Immaculate during which ALL ERRORS plaguing our age will be corrected
We will get those things when the Church does as has been instructed by Heaven.
This won't sit well here, but I'm going to say it anyway.
Francis has asked the bishops to join him in the consecration. Today, on the Feast of the Annunciation. A Solemnity.
Yet here we are looking to find what's wrong with it. Discarding hope and trust in it.
Who does this please ? Our Father or Satan ?
Our Lady doesn't need nor deserve an 8th Delor.
No, you are simply being asked your opinion on whether it is valid or not and what will or won't happen as a result and how soon.
Acolyte - Your compliant was made against Traditionalists who said the 1984 Consecration was not valid (despite Sister Lucia's Letter) since it did not contain the word Russia.
Hoping and trusting in the 1984 Consecration was stupid, because Russia did not convert and there was not a period of peace given to the world.
Mary requested the consecration of Russia, not USSR, not the World, not Ukraine, only Russia. I don't understand why it is so difficult to fulfill the request as Mary requested. I don't think it's accepted. I don't think the war will escalate. Russians in the second week of war were already looting supermarkets in Ukraine, that's Russian "logistics", they can't stand a prolonged, but we will remain the same, without Russia converting to Catholicism and the West degenerating even more.
I hope I am wrong and Russia will convert to Catholicism.
I would say that Vatican has to convert first to t he True Faith before asking others to do so. Ergo it will not be licit.
Good point.
Quote from: MaximGun on March 25, 2022, 08:56:46 AM
No, you are simply being asked your opinion on whether it is valid or not and what will or won't happen as a result and how soon.
Acolyte - Your compliant was made against Traditionalists who said the 1984 Consecration was not valid (despite Sister Lucia's Letter) since it did not contain the word Russia.
Hoping and trusting in the 1984 Consecration was stupid, because Russia did not convert and there was not a period of peace given to the world.
I did not mention previous consecrations.
Every catechism I have read, pre or post VII, has instructed us to trust in Mary's intercession. And I do.
Pax
Quote from: MaximGun on March 25, 2022, 04:08:12 AM
Before today's Consecration of Humanity, (plus Ukraine and Russia), or shortly thereafter, state for the record whether you think the consecration will be valid, unsure or invalid and what you think will be the result. You can suggest up to 3 non-mutually exclusive outcomes, your best guesses.
This thread then act as a permanent record of what you thought at the time.
I am not a bishop or a priest. I aim to avoid
worrying about the future because it is a sin to do so (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27413.msg566437#msg566437). I accept
Our Lady of Fatima, and the message for me was not about future events, but on the constant
danger of sin, the
reality of Hell, the need for
prayer and true devotion, and
penance and
reparation for sin.
I trust in God, and I have little to say on the rest, other than I am prepared to accept the truth as it is revealed, and I do not concern myself with speculations and opinions.
This life and this forum are passing. Our lives are vapours.
Morality matters (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27755.msg572329#msg572329), and that is what what within our control.
As for the events, I think most people will continue on the course they have chosen and interpret whatever they want according to their will. I see no reason to have a personal interpretation and opinion on an aspect of a private revelation that was directed towards people with ecclesiastical authority and has little to do with me.
No, it is not a sin to worry about the future. It is an imperfection that can impede Hope if we indulge the imperfection inordinately and fail to seek remedies against it.
It is a sin, and a grievous one, to despair about the future. Worry is not the equivalent of despair.
Consecration going on. My instinct is Peace. Time will tell.
Quote from: Miriam_M on March 25, 2022, 11:28:32 AM
No, it is not a sin to worry about the future. It is an imperfection that can impede Hope if we indulge the imperfection inordinately and fail to seek remedies against it.
It is a sin, and a grievous one, to despair about the future. Worry is not the equivalent of despair.
It is a sin. Contradicting moral precept is not good. I included a link with a reference and explanation that should clearly show what I meant when I wrote what I did, and contradicting the teachings of the Church is not good. It was not my opinion or idea.
Every human act is
morally good or evil (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27755.msg572329#msg572329) and this matters. Some things are indeed sins that we may not find to be as sufficient gravity to explicitly recognize much of the time, but that does not mean they are not sins.
Consecration Done! Finally, 105 years after the First Fatima Apparitions, and 93 years after Tuy! Thanks and Praise be to God and Our Lady.
I am hopeful now that Nuclear War and World War III will be averted. A Great Conversion instead of a Great Chastisement is what God wants imo.
Let us Pray for Peace in the World, for the Conversion of Hearts back to the Holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary, and for the Promised Period of Peace.
Observation from Louie:
In the apparition of July 13, 1917, Our Lady said that the conversion of Russia and the period of peace would be realized "if my requests are heeded." If God were to fulfill these promises despite the fact that the very simple particulars of the request are not being heeded, He would make a fool of His Mother. This would be tantamount to a defeat for Our Lady, not a triumph.
In his latest essay, he expresses his hope that this "charade" is turned to God's greater glory.
But God is NOT going to humiliate THE WOMAN in the process. We can count on that.
Louie's series of articles on this have been some of his best work ever. He has set aside the tendency towards an excess in stridency in his tone and done exceptional and important work.
Well worth reading them.
https://akacatholic.com/
Kudos to all Traditional Catholics who fought for this day for 40 Years and More. We have been proved right! Heaven raised up Advocates in the Catholic Hierarchy, for the Truth that Russia was not yet consecrated according to the Wishes of Our Lady, and the Holy Father soon obliged.
"Pope Francis's decision to hold the consecration is reportedly in response to a direct request from Ukraine's bishops on the ground"
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0324/1288300-religion-russia-ukraine/
Going Forward, as we hope for Greater Victories like the TLM returning to every single Parish, let's remember how we succeeded. Of course God Almighty in His Providence brought about favorable circumstances. But also just a small number of Episcopal Advocates finally did the trick.
So also, in our Righteous TLM Restoration Struggle, we should try to convince as many Bishops as possible to lobby the Pope in favor of the TLM. Then we can see the same Victory that we saw over the Pope Finally agreeing to Consecrate Russia explicitly in the TLM issue also.
Making predictions is a waste of time.
QuoteRussian troops killed one of their own commanders due to the losses being suffered during the invasion of Ukraine, Western officials have said.
It is also believed Vladimir Putin has decided to "pause" his attempt to take Kyiv in order to concentrate his forces on the Donbas region in the east of the country.
Russian troops have unexpectedly "found themselves in a hornets' nest and are suffering really badly", a Western official said, leading to widespread morale problems.
As the advance falters, Russian soldiers are said to have killed one of their own senior officers.
"We believe he was killed by his own troops deliberately. Indeed we believe he was run over by his own troops," an official said.
In addition, another Russian general is believed to have been killed by Ukrainian forces, taking the total since the start of the war to seven.
Way too many variables to have any idea of how this turns out. Add in another variable of the imperfect consecration and where is the duct tape so my head doesn't explode?
Everyday has a new twist from the day before.
I wasn't able to watch it, but a friend of mine did and he thinks it was valid. Personally, I'm pretty skeptical. All of the added rigamoral to the prayers was dubious, IMHO. And there wasn't even an off the cuff mention of the First Saturday devotion, which Lucia always mentioned in the same context of the Consecration.. So I am personally dubious as to whether this Consecration fulfilled Heaven's requests.
Quote from: Miriam_M on March 25, 2022, 11:28:32 AM
No, it is not a sin to worry about the future. It is an imperfection that can impede Hope if we indulge the imperfection inordinately and fail to seek remedies against it.
It is a sin, and a grievous one, to despair about the future. Worry is not the equivalent of despair.
Yep, you have to find the virtuous mean. Three of the integral virtues of Prudence are Reason, Caution, and Foresight. These colloquially could be called "worrying", especially Caution, however you need to have these virtues if you want to advance in your spiritual life.
The key word you use is inordinate. Scruples is an example of inordinate worrying.
QuoteBefore today's Consecration of Humanity, (plus Ukraine and Russia), or shortly thereafter, state for the record whether you think the consecration will be valid, unsure or invalid and what you think will be the result. You can suggest up to 3 non-mutually exclusive outcomes, your best guesses.
It will fail.
1. We will not see a world wide devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary develop beyond what is typical among a number of Catholics.
2. The war will continue to plod along as Russia continues to conquer east Ukraine.
3. If this consecration ticks off the Lord, the absolute catastrophic outlook for Western economies will force the West to start some sort of WWIII. Hopefully it is just a dud, and maybe even has SOME benefit in getting a negotiated settlement which will look almost identical to what the Russians proposed before the war, except the Donbass will be independent. But even then, the Western economies are toast.
I think for this to be THE consecration something dramatic has to happen very soon. Like within a week; at the most a month. It has to be dramatic for the world to realize it happened because of this consecration. Ten or twelve years out won't cut it. It would be too ambiguous to say it was a result of the 2022 consecration if nothing happens for 10 or 12 years. Something dramatic has to happen very soon to say this consecration was THE proper consecration.
That said besides Taylor Marshall and Mat Gaspers, I read that Bishop Athanasius Schneider also figures Pope Francis' consecration prayer has all the requirements for a proper consecration. John-Henry Westen of LifeSiteNews said he likes how Pope Francis quotes Our Lady of Guadalupe in the prayer and how Mary's titles are mentioned; Undoer of Knots and Star of the Sea. Christopher Ferrara thinks it is a very Marian prayer often referring to Mary as Our Mother. Personally I think it's a beautiful prayer. Both John-Henry Westen and his guest as well as David Rodriguez, Christopher Ferrara and Brian McCall at the Fatima Center said we will just have to wait and see. Their comments after the consecration can be viewed below.
LifeSiteNews
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lifesitenews-will-live-stream-pope-francis-consecration-of-russia-to-the-immaculate-heart/
Fatima Center
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ain1ETL_rsc[/yt]
We will have to wait and see. Until then I will continue to do my part. I hope everyone else will too. "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".
Our Lady of Fatima pray for us.
Yep. I'm not too hung up by the prayer. It probably suffices. And the participation of Pope Benedict was crucial, and who knows what prayer he used. The lack of the bishops being ordered to do it is the source for my prediction of failure.
Quote from: james03 on March 25, 2022, 01:56:22 PM
Yep. I'm not too hung up by the prayer. It probably suffices. And the participation of Pope Benedict was crucial, and who knows what prayer he used. The lack of the bishops being ordered to do it is the source for my prediction of failure.
Yeah that's my concern too. Taylor Marshall and Matt Gasper said that a request by a pope to the bishops constitutes an order, but I doubt that these days. Actually I think it was Marshall that said that. It would be interesting to know what bishops took part in it and what bishops didn't.
Quote from: mikemac on March 25, 2022, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: james03 on March 25, 2022, 01:56:22 PM
Yep. I'm not too hung up by the prayer. It probably suffices. And the participation of Pope Benedict was crucial, and who knows what prayer he used. The lack of the bishops being ordered to do it is the source for my prediction of failure.
Yeah that's my concern too. Taylor Marshall and Matt Gasper said that a request by a pope to the bishops constitutes an order, but I doubt that these days. Actually I think it was Marshall that said that. It would be interesting to know what bishops took part in it and what bishops didn't.
The Consecration requires ALL bishops, right?
Quote from: Heinrich on March 25, 2022, 03:51:08 PM
Quote from: mikemac on March 25, 2022, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: james03 on March 25, 2022, 01:56:22 PM
Yep. I'm not too hung up by the prayer. It probably suffices. And the participation of Pope Benedict was crucial, and who knows what prayer he used. The lack of the bishops being ordered to do it is the source for my prediction of failure.
Yeah that's my concern too. Taylor Marshall and Matt Gasper said that a request by a pope to the bishops constitutes an order, but I doubt that these days. Actually I think it was Marshall that said that. It would be interesting to know what bishops took part in it and what bishops didn't.
The Consecration requires ALL bishops, right?
That's something that Our Lady must have thought was possible,
I'd like to amend some of what I said in my last post. I hope that this was the valid Consecration, but we've been fooled so many times, I don't know what to think anymore.
Quote from: andy on March 25, 2022, 09:51:39 AM
I would say that Vatican has to convert first to t he True Faith before asking others to do so. Ergo it will not be licit.
Bingo.
Quote from: Heinrich on March 25, 2022, 03:51:08 PM
Quote from: mikemac on March 25, 2022, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: james03 on March 25, 2022, 01:56:22 PM
Yep. I'm not too hung up by the prayer. It probably suffices. And the participation of Pope Benedict was crucial, and who knows what prayer he used. The lack of the bishops being ordered to do it is the source for my prediction of failure.
Yeah that's my concern too. Taylor Marshall and Matt Gasper said that a request by a pope to the bishops constitutes an order, but I doubt that these days. Actually I think it was Marshall that said that. It would be interesting to know what bishops took part in it and what bishops didn't.
The Consecration requires ALL bishops, right?
David Rodriguez and Christopher Ferrara were saying that it's not a numbers game. Meaning if a bishop was sick it wouldn't disqualify the consecration. I remember Sister Lucy writing something like it doesn't have to be every bishop, God knows the good and the bad. Plus a lot of priests are doing the consecration along with the faithful in their parishes. You would think that would count for something too. Maybe the bishops didn't need to be ordered; I don't know for sure.
I think the Consecration itself was done correctly - Russia was consecrated explicitly, together with the bishops. I don't think adding humanity or Ukraine invalidates it - when we pray in a specific intention there is nothing wrong with adding other ones. My biggest worry is that Francis might not be a Pope.
Absolutely if one is of Faith and good will do we want this to be the real Consecration. Count me in on this :pray2:
News of this was why I came back. I wanted to see what the gang thought of this consecration. If Russia's explicitly consecrated, then its the real deal...
I'm cautiously optimistic that it will succeed. Could be the one good thing Francis has done right. That being said, it is Francis after all; so him messing it up is a distinct possibility. Either the world burns in the flames of Divine Justice, or the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart prevails. Sounds like a win-win either way.
It's nice to see some semi-positive attitudes.
The consecration has odd sounding passages in Italian and German, and the main text is poor enough, so I see no consecration. Russia is now on the brink of losing Cherson, after an utter disaster of a invasion losing more in men and materiel than Afghanistan. A failed war will make Putin a former man, whose only prospect of living will be fleeing to Israel, so there's a moderate change he could try some reckless action.
Article from Slate Magazine:
Some surprisingly accurate stuff and some really funny stuff.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/pope-francis-consecration-ukraine-russia-fatima-conspiracy-theories.html
Amazing what the Left considers a Conspiracy Theory.
I'll open a different thread, so as not to derail.
We already see some Amazing Events that could well be Immediate Effects of the Consecration of Russia!
"A Russian Commander Was Killed By His Own Troops, Western Officials Have Revealed
Ned Simons
25 March 2022, 20:54
(Photo: Future Publishing via Getty Images)
Russian troops killed one of their own commanders due to the losses being suffered during the invasion of Ukraine, Western officials have said.
It is also believed Vladimir Putin has decided to "pause" his attempt to take Kyiv in order to concentrate his forces on the Donbas region in the east of the country.
Russian troops have unexpectedly "found themselves in a hornets' nest and are suffering really badly", a Western official said, leading to widespread morale problems.
As the advance falters, Russian soldiers are said to have killed one of their own senior officers.
"We believe he was killed by his own troops deliberately. Indeed we believe he was run over by his own troops," an official said.
In addition, another Russian general is believed to have been killed by Ukrainian forces, taking the total since the start of the war to seven.
One official said Russia had decided to "pause those operations" to advance on Kyiv and had decided to "dig in and build some defensive positions".
Quote from: CaptCrunch73 on March 25, 2022, 05:28:51 AM
Hi Xavier,
Msg Essef's locutions are private revelations and have proven to be false. Be careful when promoting these for the sake of others.
https://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2015/09/locutions-to-world-false-visionary.html
Hi CC. I wouldn't say LTTW has been proved false. It has had many fulfilled prophecies and one particular conditional prophecy that was very bad and thankfully did not come to pass. Is Akita, which had endorsement from the local Bishop, proven false if fire does not fall from the sky? Was the Prophet Jonah and the Holy Bible - which as we know is the inspired Word of God - proven false when Nineveh wasn't destroyed? No, that was a Conditional Bad Prophecy which God did not want to come to pass.
The Holy Bible explains the Principle of Conditional Bad Prophecies in Jeremiah 18:
"5Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 6Cannot I do with you, as this potter, O house of Israel, saith the Lord? behold as clay is in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7I will suddenly speak against a nation, and against a kingdom, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy it.
8If that nation against which I have spoken, shall repent of their evil, I also will repent of the evil that I have thought to do to them.
The author of that blog explained her stance on LTTW here below:
"I firmly believe in Locutions To The World. I recognize clearly the voice of Our Lord and Our Lady in the messages and I have no doubt about their authenticity. The recent "failed" prophecy of Our Lady has not shaken me at all in my beliefs about the locutions, because for me, prophecy is not the reason I believe in heavenly messages. I believe in the locutions, because I recognize the sublime teachings of Our Lord and Our Lady in them, which could only come from Heaven.
Prophecy is only a secondary concern of mine when I discern heavenly messages given today from whatever source they may be. I recognize the voice of Our Lord and Our Lady in heavenly messages by allowing my spirit to connect with and resonate with the teachings Our Lord and Our Lady give in heavenly messages. I do not read heavenly messages to plot days and future events. I read heavenly messages so my spirit can become enriched and so I can grow closer to God."
https://maryrefugeofsouls.com/locutions-to-the-world/failed-prophecy-economic-collapse-believing-in-locutions-to-the-world-by-a-soul/
One possibility, within the next 5 years, is that Rome-Russia Re-Umion can take place at the Third Nicene Council planned for by 2025. This was planned between Pope Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew after Pope Francis kindly exchanged some Holy Relics with the See of Constaninople, traditionally believed to be under the Patronage of St. Andrew. Pope Francis told the Orthodox Patriarch that as St. Andrew and St. Peter were brothers, the See of Andrew and the See of Peter must walk together as brothers toward Full Unity. Patriarch Bartholomew later told his flock that Re-Union with Roman Catholics is Inevitable for the Greek Orthodox Church. The Moscow Patriarchate has so far refused to participate in what it plausibly sees as a Papal Means to restore Russia to Catholic Communion. But that could change with the Consecration done.
"The Third Ecumenical Nicene Council 2025 is an ecumenical gathering proposed by Pope Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew[1], inviting all Christians to send representatives to meet together in 2025, to commemorate the 1700th anniversary of the Council of Nicaea. The Catholic Star Herald reported: "Back in June, Pope Francis met with a delegation of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople who came to Rome to celebrate the feast of Saints Peter and Paul. Pope Francis has a close tie with the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew I, who he has met with several times since becoming pope in 2013. In fact, he was the first Patriarch of Constantinople to ever attend an installation of a pope of Rome. Francis often invites the patriarch to join him on historical occasions and has visited the Holy Phanar in Constantinople for a Divine Liturgy celebrated by Bartholomew." [2] The Scottish Catholic Observer confirmed: "The intention is to hold a gathering to commemorate the Council of Nicaea, which took place in 325AD. Seventeen centuries later, Pope Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew (above) will come together in 2025 to celebrate the historic meeting."[3"
From: https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Third_Ecumenical_Nicene_Council_2025
Validity of the Consecration: I've heard it said that a Pope who goes against Doctrine isn't a valid pope...what does that mean? I've heard so many opposing views I haven't a clue who is right. I suspect the Consecration isn't valid.
Conduct of the war: It will continue until Putin says otherwise. I doubt nukes will be involved but if they are it will be limited to just one. Then all parties will draw back from the brink in mutual horror. Political upheavals will probably get worse. Good chance of famine but as always it will be the poorest who will suffer the most.
The event that would make me decide: Christ descending from Heaven in Glory.
My opinion on the Consecration: it is what it is. If it's valid we'll find out very shortly. There's very little I can really do about it. So I just strive to do my duties according to my state of life and don't worry about it. The Fatima messages made it clear what part I and others had to fulfill.
Quote from: mikemac on March 25, 2022, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: james03 on March 25, 2022, 01:56:22 PM
Yep. I'm not too hung up by the prayer. It probably suffices. And the participation of Pope Benedict was crucial, and who knows what prayer he used. The lack of the bishops being ordered to do it is the source for my prediction of failure.
Yeah that's my concern too. Taylor Marshall and Matt Gasper said that a request by a pope to the bishops constitutes an order, but I doubt that these days. Actually I think it was Marshall that said that. It would be interesting to know what bishops took part in it and what bishops didn't.
Isn't the most serious concern the fact that most of the Hierarchy is infected by the "errors of Russia" and
unrepentant?
This is why I think it cannot be the final and complete act of consecration to coincide with the true conversion of Russia. There is too little repentance and penance in the world, even especially in the Catholic Church which should know better, for the intention of this consecration to be wholly effective at this time.
I think some kind of chastisement for the West and the Catholic Church is inevitable at this point in order to awaken us from our slumber and inspire powerful repentance and penance, but I do not doubt that certain merciful compensations will be granted by Heaven in response to all the sincere prayers and religious works done in faith, hope and love by those who trust in God being attached to this act.
For that reason I hope and believe that the chastisement will be reduced and shortened as much as possible, but I do not believe yet that it will be entirely averted.
As for the potentially imminent reunion of the Western and Eastern churches that Xavier mentioned: as much as I hope for this to happen in my lifetime (and I do consider it possible that I may live to see it), this cannot happen before the true body of these churches have been separated from the false one. There can only be a real reunion in pure truth. It cannot happen under a leadership that is infected by the darkness of lies and remains unrepentant. Such a counter-reunion would only serve Antichrist by reinforcing the illusion of success in an organization which continues to degenerate.
Ultimately we will see. If the words were the middling okay English text (unlikely as Francis cannot easily speak a sentence of English despite a long period of study at the Milltown Institute), or at least it was said with that intention, I see it making no great change. If was a Pachamama consecration, as Anne Barnhardt is saying, well, we will also see. Hopefully it will bring peace.
Quote from: red solo cup on March 26, 2022, 04:45:27 AM
Good chance of famine but as always it will be the poorest who will suffer the most.
I believe that God chooses different chastisements for different eras. The reason that famine was so effective previously was because its reach was so widespread and immediate when people lived so much off the land, directly, had more primitive means of transporting food, when man was also so season-dependent and when agriculture was much less diversified than today.
Clearly He chooses what He knows to be most effective and efficacious, which, yes, could be famine but could be the "food" of energy, cash, or whatever else fits the modern era in the most universal way.
Quote from: Miriam_M on March 26, 2022, 08:16:40 AM
Quote from: red solo cup on March 26, 2022, 04:45:27 AM
Good chance of famine but as always it will be the poorest who will suffer the most.
I believe that God chooses different chastisements for different eras. The reason that famine was so effective previously was because its reach was so widespread and immediate when people lived so much off the land, directly, had more primitive means of transporting food, when man was also so season-dependent and when agriculture was much less diversified than today.
Clearly He chooses what He knows to be most effective and efficacious, which, yes, could be famine but could be the "food" of energy, cash, or whatever else fits the modern era in the most universal way.
Taking out the electric grid would do the trick.
I'm definitely leaning toward VALID - for reasons outlined in the below post from another thread:
https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27856.msg573663#msg573663
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Quote from: Miriam_M on March 26, 2022, 08:16:40 AM
Quote from: red solo cup on March 26, 2022, 04:45:27 AM
Good chance of famine but as always it will be the poorest who will suffer the most.
I believe that God chooses different chastisements for different eras. The reason that famine was so effective previously was because its reach was so widespread and immediate when people lived so much off the land, directly, had more primitive means of transporting food, when man was also so season-dependent and when agriculture was much less diversified than today.
Clearly He chooses what He knows to be most effective and efficacious, which, yes, could be famine but could be the "food" of energy, cash, or whatever else fits the modern era in the most universal way.
Taking out the electric grid would do the trick.
Those who have solar packs and panels in the SW will flourish, though.
They won't if there is a CME. One massive solar flare and the those solar panels and control panels will fry
Quote from: MaximGun on March 26, 2022, 03:51:58 PM
They won't if there is a CME. One massive solar flare and the those solar panels and control panels will fry
Are you sure about this? This particular type of device is not something I have specifically looked at, but the what I actually know on this would make me doubt you, unless you provided a real reference, and since you are prone to making wild claims about things, I am less prone to accept what you say on these matters.
What is at risk depends heavily on the spectrum and power. The media and fiction like to hype up risks, but the truth is a lot more complicated.
From what I read, this does not seem to be a particular risk for solar panels. Of course, exactly what is at risk depends on the specifics involved. The damage comes from induced currents, and this will not be uniform. The type of event that would harm the power grid and the type that would damage small electronics are very different. Solar panels are designed to face the sun, and they are used in space as well. If anything, a naive assessment would not indicate that this is a particular concern for that type of event.
Also, these events would have to hit the earth directly. So, the sun has to release the energy and it moves relatively slowly away from the sun, and the earth has to be directly in its path.
Lightning and thunderstorms are probably a far more proximate threat to any locality.
Quote from: MaximGun on March 26, 2022, 03:51:58 PM
They won't if there is a CME. One massive solar flare and the those solar panels and control panels will fry
Has this been weaponized?
Quote from: Heinrich on March 26, 2022, 04:34:20 PM
Has this been weaponized?
Yes, but it is not as useful or as scary as it may seem in itself.
It also has the same limitations as I outlined above.
There is very limited flexibility in this: it is just a burst of electromagnetic radiation, and one has frequency, power, and duration really to manipulate, and it is possible and common to shield and protect devices, and this is increasing. The vulnerabilities to these things are being reduced all the time. Of course, there is always the idea of something being even more powerful, etc, but is the same as hardening anything else.
Armouring electronic devices and grids is actually easier than shielding against physical attacks. We generally do not see this occur, but it is.
In the Miracle of the Sun it did not merely dance around in the sky but appeared to fall closer to the earth. A very large coronal ejection from the Sun directly at the earth?
Would certainly do a lot of damage to the side of the earth facing the Sun at the time it hit.
Quote from: MaximGun on March 26, 2022, 04:46:22 PM
In the Miracle of the Sun it did not merely dance around in the sky but appeared to fall closer to the earth. A very large coronal ejection from the Sun directly at the earth?
No. A CME does not look like that and its primary effects would have been felt by telegraph operators.
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Would certainly do a lot of damage to the side of the earth facing the Sun at the time it hit.
Not really. It is electromagnetic energy. Do you have a microwave oven? That black sheet over the glass door has holes in it. Do you know why? Because microwave wavelengths used in the oven are (probably) 2.4 GHz. The energy is pretty high for a consumer device (it is the same range of frequencies used by WiFi and other devices, but at a higher power level), but the reason it does not cook anything outside is because the holes are too small for the waves to fit through so they are blocked.
So, 1000 watts (or whatever) of 2.4 Ghz electromagnetic energy is stopped by a thin shield with holes in it that you can easily see through.
What electromagnetic energy damages really depends on what it is hitting and how it reacts. It depends on frequency and power.
Quote from: MaximGun on March 26, 2022, 04:46:22 PM
In the Miracle of the Sun it did not merely dance around in the sky but appeared to fall closer to the earth. A very large coronal ejection from the Sun directly at the earth?
Would certainly do a lot of damage to the side of the earth facing the Sun at the time it hit.
My Husband's Grandmother remembers the miracle of The Sun, I didn't think ot check the time or anything. She said she was a child hanging out clothes on the clothesline and noticed something strange happening with the light. They read about it the next day
Someone please translate "CME." Thank you.
Quote from: Miriam_M on March 27, 2022, 09:07:56 AM
Someone please translate "CME." Thank you.
I think it's Coronal Mass Ejection --some kind of solar activity.
Quote from: Miriam_M on March 27, 2022, 09:07:56 AM
Someone please translate "CME." Thank you.
Coronal Mass Ejections (https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/coronal-mass-ejections) are large expulsions of plasma and magnetic field from the Sun?s corona. They can eject billions of tons of coronal material and carry an embedded magnetic field (frozen in flux) that is stronger than the background solar wind interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength. CMEs travel outward from the Sun at speeds ranging from slower than 250 kilometers per second (km/s) to as fast as near 3000 km/s. The fastest Earth-directed CMEs can reach our planet in as little as 15-18 hours. Slower CMEs can take several days to arrive. They expand in size as they propagate away from the Sun and larger CMEs can reach a size comprising nearly a quarter of the space between Earth and the Sun by the time it reaches our planet.They are slow moving but contain a lot of energy and they are capable of
disrupting many things (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event).
There is a popular fear of the catastrophic impact such a thing could do to our modern day, however, these fears are often amplified and too generalized.
But it is a real threat, at least to some things.
Space Weather (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27544.msg568546#msg568546) deals with the monitoring and studying this and other solar activity.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/two-years-ago-intense-solar-storm-barely-misses-earth
Happened July 2012 and was not made public for another 2 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/solar-storm-could-see-northern-lights-shimmering-in-us-skies-this-week/ar-AAVD7tH
Sun spot and flare activity is getting interesting.
Quote from: MaximGun on March 29, 2022, 10:31:55 AM
Happened July 2012 and was not made public for another 2 years.
That is misleading. It was public, but actual reports and research into this takes time to develop. This is not something that is easy to analyze. There were reports about it well before that.
Also, failing to make the public secular sensationalist press is a good thing, as this is a matter of science.
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Sun spot and flare activity is getting interesting.
This is
Space Weather (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27544.msg568546#msg568546). If anyone has an interest in this, it is a fascinating subject and it is actually useful for some things. The
Solar Cycle is of particular interest to those who use certain radio frequencies. This activity was
expected, just as we expect summer and winter.
Just look at the people who were looking forward to Solar Maximum for
years. This is new to you perhaps, but that does not mean it is novel or special. It is a regular cycle.
Just my two cents from the peanut gallery, but I think Fr. Nix does the best job I've seen yet in answering this question.
How You Will Know When the Consecration Is Done Properly
Excerpts:
Imagine you had a 12 year old son who punched your 10 year old daughter in the face. Let's say that son was very stubborn and you knew getting an apology out of him was going to be difficult. . . .
You know this will be difficult so you give him the exact words . . .
You have given your stubborn son only nine simple words to say: I am sorry for punching you in the face. However, he keeps adding words to it . . .
That is what Mary has been doing with the Popes of the Catholic Church . . .
Read the rest:
https://padreperegrino.org/2022/03/properly/
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/massive-x1-solar-flare-erupts-on-sun-blast-knocks-out-radio-on-earth-scientists-worried/ar-AAVHzIY
Quote from: MaximGun on March 31, 2022, 05:36:26 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/massive-x1-solar-flare-erupts-on-sun-blast-knocks-out-radio-on-earth-scientists-worried/ar-AAVHzIY
What a sensationalist, nonsensical article.
The title alone should reveal this to any reasonable reader:
Massive X1 solar flare erupts on Sun; blast knocks out radio on Earth; scientists WORRIED It is comical.
And the article has liberal use of sensationalist adjectives. It is clear it was written by and for people who had no idea what they were talking about. It did not "knock out radio".
As I wrote before: it is of interest to those who use certain radio frequencies, and the sensationalist secular media is not a good thing, and this is exactly why:
Quote from: TerrorDæmonum on March 29, 2022, 10:42:22 AM
Also, failing to make the public secular sensationalist press is a good thing, as this is a matter of science.
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Sun spot and flare activity is getting interesting.
This is Space Weather (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27544.msg568546#msg568546). If anyone has an interest in this, it is a fascinating subject and it is actually useful for some things. The Solar Cycle is of particular interest to those who use certain radio frequencies. This activity was expected, just as we expect summer and winter.
Just look at the people who were looking forward to Solar Maximum for years. This is new to you perhaps, but that does not mean it is novel or special. It is a regular cycle.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/strong-geomagnetic-storm-hitting-earth-aurora-borealis-could-be-visible-across-us_4374697.html?utm_content=bufferf9f3e&utm_medium=et&utm_source=linkedin&utm_campaign=digitalsub
You might see the Northern lights in the USA tonight.
It is week later but still no nukes flying above our heads.
Quote from: andy on April 01, 2022, 08:56:30 AM
It is week later but still no nukes flying above our heads.
We are all not grateful enough for the daily gift of life -- aware as we should be that our lives are in God's hands every moment. God stops "thinking of us" for a millisecond, and we're gone.
The ancients seemed much more cognizant of the fragility of life and lived in "fear" of (in the sense of respect of) the uncertainty of life and death. There were clearly some logical reasons for that, but within the larger spiritual reality of God's ownership of us, his creatures, we are today still under His dominion.
I actually think this -- the perception that death is more distant in 2022 A.D. than in 22 A.D.-- has a lot to do with the casual way that modern man treats life -- i.e., disrespectfully. That attitude preceded Roe vs. Wade and made it possible. Slightly off-topic but Andy's remark somehow brought it back for me to the reality of life as a gift for which we owe God daily thanks.
So did anybody catch the lights last night?
Interesting video. John-Henry Westen talks about what Father Gruner and Father Kramer had to say at a 2012 Fatima Center Conference. The stigmatist Antonio Ruffini, a prophesied anti pope, an anti pope can't do a proper consecration, who is the pope from the vision that goes into hiding then eventually is martyred in front of the cross, the third secret revealed, catastrophe in Iran two and a half years into a brutal war and more.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYD3fhZmo-M[/yt]
Quote from: Tennessean on April 01, 2022, 12:14:09 PM
So did anybody catch the lights last night?
Too cloudy here.
An article I found claims they're visible as far south as Colorado. They'll be hanging up there for several days.
Quote from: mikemac on April 01, 2022, 03:18:05 PM
Interesting video. John-Henry Westen talks about what Father Gruner and Father Kramer had to say at a 2012 Fatima Center Conference. The stigmatist Antonio Ruffini, a prophesied anti pope, an anti pope can't do a proper consecration, who is the pope from the vision that goes into hiding then eventually is martyred in front of the cross, the third secret revealed, catastrophe in Iran two and a half years into a brutal war and more.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYD3fhZmo-M[/yt]
Thanks mikemac. This is pretty incredible. I'm breaking this out for a separate thread.
Quote from: MaximGun on March 31, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/strong-geomagnetic-storm-hitting-earth-aurora-borealis-could-be-visible-across-us_4374697.html?utm_content=bufferf9f3e&utm_medium=et&utm_source=linkedin&utm_campaign=digitalsub
You might see the Northern lights in the USA tonight.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/aurora-borealis-photos/
To associate completely natural and expected phenomena with religious significance might be superstitious.
Solar activity is perfectly consistent with the solar cycle, and these things are completely natural in origin.
One might as well say that if it rains anywhere in England tomorrow, it is a sign of something.
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/99e8fd93-3eee-47bd-a9b2-8b104cf9d242/dw5t4d-1f51ca85-ab02-49b1-be5f-1515670d0e72.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzk5ZThmZDkzLTNlZWUtNDdiZC1hOWIyLThiMTA0Y2Y5ZDI0MlwvZHc1dDRkLTFmNTFjYTg1LWFiMDItNDliMS1iZTVmLTE1MTU2NzBkMGU3Mi5wbmcifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.yGRhD054iIxraRCKQieNwuatknRu5NRaUQTPgi9wWc8)
Scurrility (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27840.msg573318#msg573318) is unbecoming. It is probably better to make levity a minority of one's public forum activity.
Quote from: james03 on April 02, 2022, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: mikemac on April 01, 2022, 03:18:05 PM
Interesting video. John-Henry Westen talks about what Father Gruner and Father Kramer had to say at a 2012 Fatima Center Conference. The stigmatist Antonio Ruffini, a prophesied anti pope, an anti pope can't do a proper consecration, who is the pope from the vision that goes into hiding then eventually is martyred in front of the cross, the third secret revealed, catastrophe in Iran two and a half years into a brutal war and more.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYD3fhZmo-M[/yt]
Thanks mikemac. This is pretty incredible. I'm breaking this out for a separate thread.
Kind of disappointing I thought, but there you have it. At least we know it will eventually happen.
As Russia prepares for the assault on Eastern Ukraine:
QuoteThe Consecration of Russia: Too Little, Too Late
So continue to pray for the world, spread devotion to the Blessed Virgin, and work that the Social Kingship of Christ be established. But do not expect the effect of the Fatima message to be realized by this consecration, which may be defective in intent and form and too long delayed. Pray also that Russia's incipient return to Christianity, and eventually Catholicism, not be destroyed by the Great Reset. The devotion to the Sacred Heart has been established in the Church, even though the consecration of France was not done to avoid the wrath of God. In the same way, even though the consecration of Russia has been too little too late (even before this most recent version), the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary will indeed be established, and her triumph will come in souls and society as prophesied.
https://onepeterfive.com/consecration-russia-too-little-too-late/
After reading this, I expect little to nothing to come from the recent "consecration". Russia is still on track for being the scourge of mankind.
Shocking photo. They look wizard-ish with their surgical masks on to dare speak to The Queen of Heaven. It didn't occur to me they would present themselves in such a manner to Our Lady.
It seems to be a major problem with prophesy that the Church can declare one worthy of belief but seems to give no indication when a prophesy worthy of belief has been fulfilled. Correct me if I'm wrong. This is why I put little stock in prophesies because it appears impossible to know whether one has already been fulfilled or not, or fulfilled properly or not, as in the case of the Fatima Secrets, or if its window of relevance has expired, again as in this case.
Trying to force reality into fitting with a prophetic warning, that may or may not be relevant any longer seems like a disastrous way of attempting to understand the world around us. It really does seem like were at the "too late" and "annihilation of several nations" part of the Second Secret though, if we're even still at the Second Secret and haven't moved along to the Third already. There have been several nations annihilated in the time since 1917, or 1941, depending how you're keeping track.
Personally, I still remain hopeful that Pope Francis' Consecration is effective, and have set no preconditions, expectations, or timelines that need to be met before thinking it was a total failure. Time will tell.
Quote from: dellery on April 13, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
It seems to be a major problem with prophesy that the Church can declare one worthy of belief but seems to give no indication when a prophesy worthy of belief has been fulfilled.
Quote from: dellery on April 13, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
Personally, I still remain hopeful that Pope Francis' Consecration is effective, and have set no preconditions, expectations, or timelines that need to be met before thinking it was a total failure. Time will tell.
How can it be a major problem then - if you have no set preconditions, expectations or timelines? The first part of your statement contradicts your own conclusion.
If the Pope is killed with bullets and arrows and Rome (I'd settle for the Vatican) is destroyed by a mob or invading army then Fatima is right. So far the officially released parts of the secrets have predicted nothing, in that they were not published before the events they 'predicted' took place or were already underway. That is not a confirmable prophecy.
However, Malachi Martin clearly DID predict a series of events, two of which have happened or appear to be very much happening. So the unknown parts of Fatima (the 3rd Secret) would appear to be prophetic, otherwise how did Malachi Martin know? He predicted "diseases that cannot be cured but can be lived with" and the 3rd Secret having something to do with Russia and Kiev and salvation coming from the East.
Malachi Martin is not a prophet, but he appears to have read something that allowed him to speak about future events which have come to pass. So whatever he read was a prophecy.
If there is a worldwide warning, miracle and chastisement (in that order), then Garabandal is right and for some unknown reason Conchita made up the part about Joey getting his eyes back and seeing the miracle.
It's simple to see whether a prophecy is true of not. Look at the things it claims will happen and see if they happen objectively and in such a way to fulfil the prophecy beyond co-incidence. If they are specific enough then the prophet or seer had some knowledge of the future. If they are general, or subjective. "The world will sink into sin", then they are less useful. The world or some part of it is always sinking into sin.
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 03:24:35 AM
Quote from: dellery on April 13, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
It seems to be a major problem with prophesy that the Church can declare one worthy of belief but seems to give no indication when a prophesy worthy of belief has been fulfilled.
Quote from: dellery on April 13, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
Personally, I still remain hopeful that Pope Francis' Consecration is effective, and have set no preconditions, expectations, or timelines that need to be met before thinking it was a total failure. Time will tell.
How can it be a major problem then - if you have no set preconditions, expectations or timelines? The first part of your statement contradicts your own conclusion.
If the Pope is killed with bullets and arrows and Rome (I'd settle for the Vatican) is destroyed by a mob or invading army then Fatima is right. So far the officially released parts of the secrets have predicted nothing, in that they were not published before the events they 'predicted' took place or were already underway. That is not a confirmable prophecy.
However, Malachi Martin clearly DID predict a series of events, two of which have happened or appear to be very much happening. So the unknown parts of Fatima (the 3rd Secret) would appear to be prophetic, otherwise how did Malachi Martin know? He predicted "diseases that cannot be cured but can be lived with" and the 3rd Secret having something to do with Russia and Kiev and salvation coming from the East.
Malachi Martin is not a prophet, but he appears to have read something that allowed him to speak about future events which have come to pass. So whatever he read was a prophecy.
If there is a worldwide warning, miracle and chastisement (in that order), then Garabandal is right and for some unknown reason Conchita made up the part about Joey getting his eyes back and seeing the miracle.
It's simple to see whether a prophecy is true of not. Look at the things it claims will happen and see if they happen objectively and in such a way to fulfil the prophecy beyond co-incidence. If they are specific enough then the prophet or seer had some knowledge of the future. If they are general, or subjective. "The world will sink into sin", then they are less useful. The world or some part of it is always sinking into sin.
It's not contradictory. The Church gives no indication when an approved Prophecy has been fulfilled --correct me if I'm wrong--, so I have no way of knowing when one has been fulfilled, and I have no expectations on what a fulfilled prophecy would even look like so-to-speak, so I pay them little attention. Regardless of how a prophecy shakes out, in the end God's Will is still being done whether or not we are given forewarning, so none of this interests me.
Furthermore, the self-fulfilling prophesy propaganda technique is not one I'm too quick to fall for. Like if I were to prophesize that you were going to "lose" your wallet later today, and then just stole it from you myself a few hours later. According to your own process you might be thinking I'm a prophet then.
Surely, the ol' "
Make a Bunch of Religious People Think One of Their Prophecies is being Fulfilled" technique has been tried more than once.
It's far easier just not to care. If the prophecies you put so much stock into end up coming true the way you think they will I will readily admit that you told me so.
My way of thinking here is more practical, you can't deny it.
A prophecy can be wrong, fake, misunderstood, already fulfilled, too late to matter, etc., and this can be big trouble for somebody who constructs a worldview around prophecy.
To a person who just does their best at cooperating with God's Will in any given situation regardless of what a prophecy says isn't affected by whether a prophecy is true or not.
Letting prophecies dictate your view of things is a gamble.
Not letting them influence your view of things is a gamble too.
Quotedoes their best at cooperating with God's Will in any given situation
What is God's will in relation to attending the Latin Mass between 1969 and 2013?
Be loyal to the Pope and the Church and go along to the new mass? Was that God's will?
Or listen to a prophecy that appears to indicate that Vatican II was a terrible error and the Vatican will be destroyed because of it and salvation will need to come from the East for us all?
If you took the first option in the last 50 years you very probably saw your children all lose their faith. The contrarian view (supported by Fatima and/or La Salette) was actually your best bet at determining the right path. Without the prophecy that the modernisation would come to a catastrophic end what would the motive be to travel 50 miles each way to mass each week for 40-50 years?
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 04:16:35 AM
Not letting them influence your view of things is a gamble too.
Quotedoes their best at cooperating with God's Will in any given situation
What is God's will in relation to attending the Latin Mass between 1969 and 2013?
Be loyal to the Pope and the Church and go along to the new mass? Was that God's will?
Or listen to a prophecy that appears to indicate that Vatican II was a terrible error and the Vatican will be destroyed because of it and salvation will need to come from the East for us all?
If you took the first option in the last 50 years you very probably saw your children all lose their faith. The contrarian view (supported by Fatima) was actually your best bet at determining the right path.
That's a false dichotomy. There was credible leadership within the Church resisting Vatican II, and then Lefebvre's forming of the SSPX, created the foundation for resisting ecclesiastical novelties. For a lot of people, they resist the New Order of things because seems like the morally right thing to do and they have leadership/clerical guidance informing this belief, not because they are Fatima devotees. Mind you, I admit it is undeniable that the Fatima Secrets plays a big part in the worldview of almost all devout Catholics nowadays, either Conservative or Trad, mainly because of how accurately they seem to have forecasted geo-affairs
Furthermore, I have no idea if it's God's Will for people to assist at the New Mass or not, but I suspect those who do so out of sincere devotion to Him and the Church fit in with It somehow, same with the people who out of sincere devotion to Christ and the Church refrain from assisting at the New Mass.
I also reserve the right to contradict myself since one opinion might not be as well formed as another, but still does not invalidate another. Tying together a neat linear string of thought is impossible and you end off roping yourself down to BS --an individual
stare decisis--, and it's much better to take everything on a case-by-case basis and accept that the contradictions that come along with this thinking will eventually be resolved with future information, or prove something wrong all together.
Quote"There was credible leadership within the Church resisting Vatican II"
No, there was not.
That is why the SSPX had no rival organisation or peer partner organisations for the best part of 20 years.
If you lived in Western Europe or America in the 1970s and 1980s and 1990s then only viable option 95% of the time during that period was the SSPX or tiny organisations that had splintered from the SSPX (thus would not have existed without the SSPX). Even the FSSP was staffed and headed up mostly by priests who had been formed in the SSPX.
Resistance to Vatican II is completely useless if you cannot offer the laity the sacraments and orthodox Catholic instruction.
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 06:26:05 AM
Quote"There was credible leadership within the Church resisting Vatican II"
No, there was not.
That is why the SSPX had no rival organisation or peer partner organisations for the best part of 20 years.
If you lived in Western Europe or America in the 1970s and 1980s and 1990s then only viable option 95% of the time during that period was the SSPX or tiny organisations that had splintered from the SSPX (thus would not have existed without the SSPX). Even the FSSP was staffed and headed up mostly by priests who had been formed in the SSPX.
Resistance to Vatican II is completely useless if you cannot offer the laity the sacraments and orthodox Catholic instruction.
Taking your word for all this since it was before my time, it still doesn't mean people resisted the New Order of Things because of the Fatima Secrets.
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 04:16:35 AM
Not letting them influence your view of things is a gamble too.
Quotedoes their best at cooperating with God's Will in any given situation
What is God's will in relation to attending the Latin Mass between 1969 and 2013?
Be loyal to the Pope and the Church and go along to the new mass? Was that God's will?
Or listen to a prophecy that appears to indicate that Vatican II was a terrible error and the Vatican will be destroyed because of it and salvation will need to come from the East for us all?
If you took the first option in the last 50 years you very probably saw your children all lose their faith. The contrarian view (supported by Fatima and/or La Salette) was actually your best bet at determining the right path. Without the prophecy that the modernisation would come to a catastrophic end what would the motive be to travel 50 miles each way to mass each week for 40-50 years?
This is nuts. The saddest part is this is what is on your mind on Holy Thursday. Salvation will come from the East? The Vichy fought with the Germans against the East. They were also against Liberalism coming from the Island Nations of the U.K. and U.S. Now that would be a people I would be more inclined to side with and believe in then some poor shepherd children from some backwater town in Portugal.
Congratulations! You have managed to use Fatima as your vehicle to Protestantism.
Quote from: dellery on April 13, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
It seems to be a major problem with prophesy that the Church can declare one worthy of belief but seems to give no indication when a prophesy worthy of belief has been fulfilled. Correct me if I'm wrong. This is why I put little stock in prophesies because it appears impossible to know whether one has already been fulfilled or not, or fulfilled properly or not, as in the case of the Fatima Secrets, or if its window of relevance has expired, again as in this case.
Trying to force reality into fitting with a prophetic warning, that may or may not be relevant any longer seems like a disastrous way of attempting to understand the world around us. It really does seem like were at the "too late" and "annihilation of several nations" part of the Second Secret though, if we're even still at the Second Secret and haven't moved along to the Third already. There have been several nations annihilated in the time since 1917, or 1941, depending how you're keeping track.
Personally, I still remain hopeful that Pope Francis' Consecration is effective, and have set no preconditions, expectations, or timelines that need to be met before thinking it was a total failure. Time will tell.
Bingo. You hit it on the head.
Prophecy seems to be an amorphous type of spiritual thing when not included in the Bible.
Can occur or not occur and when it does occur it seems to be only partially fulfilled.
Quote from: Innocent Smith on April 14, 2022, 07:00:56 AM
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 04:16:35 AM
Not letting them influence your view of things is a gamble too.
Quotedoes their best at cooperating with God's Will in any given situation
What is God's will in relation to attending the Latin Mass between 1969 and 2013?
Be loyal to the Pope and the Church and go along to the new mass? Was that God's will?
Or listen to a prophecy that appears to indicate that Vatican II was a terrible error and the Vatican will be destroyed because of it and salvation will need to come from the East for us all?
If you took the first option in the last 50 years you very probably saw your children all lose their faith. The contrarian view (supported by Fatima and/or La Salette) was actually your best bet at determining the right path. Without the prophecy that the modernisation would come to a catastrophic end what would the motive be to travel 50 miles each way to mass each week for 40-50 years?
This is nuts. The saddest part is this is what is on your mind on Holy Thursday. Salvation will come from the East? The Vichy fought with the Germans against the East. They were also against Liberalism coming from the Island Nations of the U.K. and U.S. Now that would be a people I would be more inclined to side with and believe in then some poor shepherd children from some backwater town in Portugal.
Congratulations! You have managed to use Fatima as your vehicle to Protestantism.
Most people aren't even thinking of God tonight in any way, shape or form. Stop judging people.
"I wouldn't have chosen the Russians, or Kiev, but God has. It is all part and parcel of His plans. Salvation is to come from the East for us all". "Why? That would take me too far afield into Papal Secrets why Russia is involved in the final solution to this problem".
Malachi Martin in an interview with Bernard Janzen in 1996.
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 11:45:53 PM
"I wouldn't have chosen the Russians, or Kiev, but God has. It is all part and parcel of His plans. Salvation is to come from the East for us all". "Why? That would take me too far afield into Papal Secrets why Russia is involved in the final solution to this problem".
Malachi Martin in an interview with Bernard Janzen in 1996.
Perhaps delayed effects of the jab will wipe out the US military, etc. and then the Russians (who may have had a OK jab) will march through Europe. Difficult to see them doing this on their present showing.
Who knows?
I just know that the Jews did not expect the Red Sea to part, nor Christ to be born humbly in a stable, nor eat with tax collectors and prostitutes, and the Good Thief did not think he would be in paradise that day when the Roman's tied him to his crucifix.
God seems to delight in doing weird stuff; unwanted and unexpected by men. Even Fr. Malachi Martin himself comments how strange it seems to him that Russia and Kiev have been chosen to do this.
Quote from: MaximGun on April 15, 2022, 01:49:05 AM
Who knows?
I just know that the Jews did not expect the Red Sea to part, nor Christ to be born humbly in a stable, nor eat with tax collectors and prostitutes, and the Good Thief did not think he would be in paradise that day when the Roman's tied him to his crucifix.
God seems to delight in doing weird stuff; unwanted and unexpected by men. Even Fr. Malachi Martin himself comments how strange it seems to him that Russia and Kiev have been chosen to do this.
If Fr. Martin is telling the truth about this it would definitely cause Western States to pressure the Vatican into not releasing the Third Secret, and, or convince the Vatican to release an altered Third Secret as some claim.
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 11:45:53 PM
"I wouldn't have chosen the Russians, or Kiev, but God has. It is all part and parcel of His plans. Salvation is to come from the East for us all". "Why? That would take me too far afield into Papal Secrets why Russia is involved in the final solution to this problem".
Malachi Martin in an interview with Bernard Janzen in 1996.
I found the thread from back in 2014 when Greg posted the video with Malachi Martin on the Bernard Jansen show where he mentions "Russian and Kiev" from 11:46 to 13:05.
https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=5987.0
Note Malachi Martin first quotes Our Lady of Fatima by saying Russia will be converted. Then he kind of contradicts himself by saying "Or the east for salvation but salvation is to come from the east for us all." I say that he
kind of contradicts himself because he doesn't come right out and say that salvation is from Russia, like you have been trying to say. We still need a proper consecration of Russia for Russia to be converted.
Also note that in the video that Greg posted just after what Malachi Martin said John Vennari talks about predictions from Sister Eleno Aiello saying the Russian flag will fly over the Vatican and that Our Lady steps in to stop Russian troops from booting and beating the Pope. That certainly does not sound like salvation from Russia. Earlier in the video at around 6:00 John Vennari also talks about Sister Eleno Aiello's predictions of Russia overrunning Europe, especially Italy.
The very final thing the video shows is this quote by Our Lady of Fatima.
"In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world."
That is what we still need for Russia to be converted.
Quote from: mikemac on April 15, 2022, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 11:45:53 PM
"I wouldn't have chosen the Russians, or Kiev, but God has. It is all part and parcel of His plans. Salvation is to come from the East for us all". "Why? That would take me too far afield into Papal Secrets why Russia is involved in the final solution to this problem".
Malachi Martin in an interview with Bernard Janzen in 1996.
I found the thread from back in 2014 when Greg posted the video with Malachi Martin on the Bernard Jansen show where he mentions "Russian and Kiev" from 11:46 to 13:05.
https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=5987.0
Note Malachi Martin first quotes Our Lady of Fatima by saying Russia will be converted. Then he kind of contradicts himself by saying "Or the east for salvation but salvation is to come from the east for us all." I say that he kind of contradicts himself because he doesn't come right out and say that salvation is from Russia, like you have been trying to say. We still need a proper consecration of Russia for Russia to be converted.
Also note that in the video that Greg posted just after what Malachi Martin said John Vennari talks about predictions from Sister Eleno Aiello saying the Russian flag will fly over the Vatican and that Our Lady steps in to stop Russian troops from booting and beating the Pope. That certainly does not sound like salvation from Russia. Earlier in the video at around 6:00 John Vennari also talks about Sister Eleno Aiello's predictions of Russia overrunning Europe, especially Italy.
The very final thing the video shows is this quote by Our Lady of Fatima.
"In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world."
That is what we still need for Russia to be converted.
If we consider for a moment what a swamp of sin Rome has become, with its heresy, modernism, sodomy, etc, etc, we could seriously entertain Russia has God's instrument for cleansing the Eternal City of these sinnners who delight in persecuting anything that resembles actual Catholicism the world over.
The apostate Pope needs a good beating.
Quote from: dellery on April 15, 2022, 08:21:43 AM
Quote from: MaximGun on April 15, 2022, 01:49:05 AM
Who knows?
I just know that the Jews did not expect the Red Sea to part, nor Christ to be born humbly in a stable, nor eat with tax collectors and prostitutes, and the Good Thief did not think he would be in paradise that day when the Roman's tied him to his crucifix.
God seems to delight in doing weird stuff; unwanted and unexpected by men. Even Fr. Malachi Martin himself comments how strange it seems to him that Russia and Kiev have been chosen to do this.
If Fr. Martin is telling the truth about this it would definitely cause Western States to pressure the Vatican into not releasing the Third Secret, and, or convince the Vatican to release an altered Third Secret as some claim.
If he is not telling the truth, then how did he predict two contemporaneous events and speak of both of them as part of the Third Secret?
Lucky guess?
Seems far more likely that he read the real Secret and let those bits slip out.
If Russia is part of God's plan to Chastise the world then I am all for it. The world needs it, big time.
Quote from: drummerboy on April 15, 2022, 07:28:34 PM
If we consider for a moment what a swamp of sin Rome has become, with its heresy, modernism, sodomy, etc, etc, we could seriously entertain Russia has God's instrument for cleansing the Eternal City of these sinnners who delight in persecuting anything that resembles actual Catholicism the world over.
According to Sister Eleno Aiello that's exactly what is going to happen. Although it looks like it will happen when we have a different Pope.
Quote from: MaximGun on April 15, 2022, 10:30:34 PM
The apostate Pope needs a good beating.
According to Sister Eleno Aiello's prophecy Our Lady steps in to stop the Russian troops from beating the Pope. So it must be a different Pope.
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-warship-sunken-ukraine-war-091746009.html
"Russian warship sunken in Ukraine war may have been carrying a piece of the 'true cross,' a treasured Christian relic"
Consecration ?
Quote from: Acolyte on April 16, 2022, 06:08:55 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-warship-sunken-ukraine-war-091746009.html
"Russian warship sunken in Ukraine war may have been carrying a piece of the 'true cross,' a treasured Christian relic"
Consecration ?
:madsmiley: should I even dare read this
Two months after consecration(?) of Russia and Russia still blowing up the Ukraine and Kirill still not a Catholic.
Seems this consecration is going down the memory hole also.
See you in a month.
Just called my Bishop's secretary, she said he participated in the March 25th consecration.
There is some Eastern Catholic presense near me so I called their Bishop and he took part also.
So if my local Bishop had not I was moving.
All looks well with the consecration, I just read the text today seems fine and I agree its not a magic formula. It had Immaculate Heart in there and Russia.
The 1984 consecration was corroborated by 2nd Lucy.
Now we need a good ole beat down of the financial elite to have a Triumph. That will be so painful and so satisfying.
I retract the that we are on the timeline where Rome falls June 13, 2029 and all subsequent actions that would happen as a result of that.
No idea how this is gonna look but this is the time for the dreamers and believers, to envision the Triumph and militantly go forward with prayer etc. aligned with the will of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Brilliant that this was done, yes Francis is politically progressive and left, and is promoting Cardinals who are politically progressive and left, but he hoodwinked everyone and consecrated Russia, yes a bunch of Bishops were involved most likely, some were not so it is no doubt a time of darkness and we haven't seen a fraction of what is to come, but it is most definitely a time for miracles, and we likewise have not seen a fraction of what is to come.
The greatest possible miracle to happen as a result of the consecration IMHO is for Francis to resign on the Feast of the Assumption and for Pope Pius XIII to be elected. I give it 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 odds of actually happening. Only thing less likely is for me to be elected as Pope Boniface X :lol:
Quote from: MaximGun on April 14, 2022, 04:16:35 AM
Not letting them influence your view of things is a gamble too.
Quotedoes their best at cooperating with God's Will in any given situation
What is God's will in relation to attending the Latin Mass between 1969 and 2013?
Be loyal to the Pope and the Church and go along to the new mass? Was that God's will?
Or listen to a prophecy that appears to indicate that Vatican II was a terrible error and the Vatican will be destroyed because of it and salvation will need to come from the East for us all?
If you took the first option in the last 50 years you very probably saw your children all lose their faith. The contrarian view (supported by Fatima and/or La Salette) was actually your best bet at determining the right path. Without the prophecy that the modernisation would come to a catastrophic end what would the motive be to travel 50 miles each way to mass each week for 40-50 years?
That is nonsense.
Private revelations can never supersede Catholic doctrine. The reason why Traditionalists attend Latin Mass and reject Vatican II is that there are strong doctrinal arguments suggesting that V2 contradicts earlier Magisterium and that TLM is better expressing sacrificial character of the Mass. Sure, Fatima fits info that, but it is secondary to doctrinal arguments. If there were no credible doctrinal arguments against V2 and New Mass, no amount of private revelations would justify rejecting those things - in fact, such private revelations would have to be considered false due to contradicting the Magisterium.
There is a bit of a problem, but it's not the consecration per se, it's the shepherd who is asking. Pope Francis blasphemed God and publicly sinned against the First Commandment at the Pachamama debacle in 2019. Since that episode, he further dishonored BVM by issuing a Vatican stamp in Pachamama's honor on or near a BVM feast day. All of this happened on the world's stage. This act shocked religious people everywhere and even some atheist observers. He has not publicly regretted this sin. At the very least, he could say he didn't intend to offend God but accidently sent a wrong message to the world in his outreach to the Amazon people. He may not have confessed this sin. It should come as no surprise that the efficacy of his consecration is less than we hoped. Because the magnitude of such a sin coming from a pope has made him fall from grace with God.
Ever since the blasphemy, chaos ensued. The pandemic erupted; churches closed for nearly a year. Jobs were lost. Politicians took away personal liberty with mandates. Pestilence and disasters followed. World economies crashed. Food insecurity became reality in the developed world. Crime, wars, and violent acts are skyrocketing. Politicians are fanning the flames of racial division and jailing the innocent, while marauders go unpunished. Kids are given pornography and false messages instead of true teaching, while their academic scores decline. Down is up, black is white, wrong is right. Exorcists said that they've had more difficulties banishing demons since the Pachamama debacle. The devil uses Pope Francis' sin as an excuse not to leave.
QuoteFrom the revised edition of "Padre Pio, the True Story" by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said "The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast. The conversion of the United States will be slow, but sure".
Three months after consecration(?) of Russia and Russia still blowing up the Ukraine (Russia launching 50 Soviet dated cruise missiles on Ukrainian cities last night) and Kirill still not a Catholic.
My vote is the consecration is invalid due to 1st or 2nd reason:
1. Ecumenical nature of the consecration and not ORDERING the Bishops to perform the consecration.
2. Francis is not the Pope (Went into the conclave not a Catholic, left the conclave not a Catholic).
See you next month.
Quote from: King Wenceslas on June 25, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
QuoteFrom the revised edition of "Padre Pio, the True Story" by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said "The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast. The conversion of the United States will be slow, but sure".
Three months after consecration(?) of Russia and Russia still blowing up the Ukraine (Russia launching 50 Soviet dated cruise missiles on Ukrainian cities last night) and Kirill still not a Catholic.
My vote is the consecration is invalid due to 1st or 2nd reason:
1. Ecumenical nature of the consecration and not ORDERING the Bishops to perform the consecration.
2. Francis is not the Pope (Went into the conclave not a Catholic, left the conclave not a Catholic).
See you next month.
I agree with what Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said about this: https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/bp-schneider-defends-francis-consecration-of-russia-as-fulfilling-our-lady-of-fatimas-request/
QuoteFatima being fulfilled
Speaking of consecrations, I asked him about Pope Francis' consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This action by Pope Francis has been a source of debate for Catholics, with some believing that the Pope – however unlikely it was for a man like Francis – had finally fulfilled Our Lady's requests to consecrate Russia as was instructed to Sister Lucia.
"Thanks be to God, the pope finally consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart on March 25th."
I pressed the bishop just a bit to get a more developed answer so that he might address some of the concerns individuals may have about the validity of the consecration.
"We have to have the right understanding of the consecration," he said. "This is not a sacrament. A sacrament is operating instantly when the conditions are fulfilled ... a consecration that the pope is doing is a sacramental (he spoke with emphasis)."
Contrasting a sacramental and a sacramental, he explained: "It is a kind of intercession, prayer. It is a work of the church directly, not of God Himself directly. It is a work of the Church and depends on the prayers of the Church."
"In the eyes of God, it has an objective value because it is a work of the Church."
It should be expected that the effects of a consecration are "not immediate," he added.
"People who are awaiting from this consecration of Fatima – which the pope did – an immediate effect, they have in my opinion a deficient understanding of this because it is a kind of understanding like a magic act. It's not a magic act ... doing something then it is produced. These attitudes of these people are implicitly a lack of faith. It's a lack of faith, they want immediately to see the result. This is not Catholic, this is not Catholic."
He went on to say that "it is up to God" to know the timing of what will come of the Consecration of Russia.
Bishop Schneider also stressed that for the bishops to be "in union" with the Pope – which was a stipulation given by the Virgin Mary – "is not a question of arithmetic."
I said to him, "Whenever the Pope does something publicly as the Vicar of Christ, as the head of the bishops on Earth and says he's doing so in union with them, I mean, that is de facto something done in union with the bishops ... "
Schneider replied, "Exactly, I agree with you."
In addition, he made reference to the fact that arithmetical majority is not required for even an ecumenical council decision to be an act of the Pope in union with the bishops.
"If the majority of the bishops would vote for a deficient formulation about faith or something ambiguous, and the minority would vote for a clear statement ... if the Pope will join the minority and not the majority, then it will be the decision of the entire Catholic Church ... it is sufficient that the pope and the minority ... will constitute the entire Church."
The interview ended with Bishop Schneider leading the prayer he composed to hasten the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
March 25, 2022 to July 25, 2022.
4 months.
Russia still not a Catholic nation.
QuoteFrom the revised edition of "Padre Pio, the True Story" by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said "The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast."
Quote from: King Wenceslas on June 25, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
QuoteFrom the revised edition of "Padre Pio, the True Story" by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said "The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast. The conversion of the United States will be slow, but sure".
Three months after consecration(?) of Russia and Russia still blowing up the Ukraine (Russia launching 50 Soviet dated cruise missiles on Ukrainian cities last night) and Kirill still not a Catholic.
My vote is the consecration is invalid due to 1st or 2nd reason:
1. Ecumenical nature of the consecration and not ORDERING the Bishops to perform the consecration.
2. Francis is not the Pope (Went into the conclave not a Catholic, left the conclave not a Catholic).
See you next month.
Yeah, and clearly the consecration didn't happen. I'd add another point. There was a report that the Spanish prayer consecrated Russia to the Pachamama, "the queen of the lands of the heavens". I haven't seen that confirmed and would appreciate it if anyone can post a link to the story.
But whether it was true or not, the bishops were not ordered to do it, and many (over 50%?) did not. So there was no consecration and the war continues.
SSPX Catholic Kennedy Hall made a Good Case here that the Consecration of Russia overturned Roe v Wade: https://onepeterfive.com/consecration-russia-overturned-roe-v-wade/ The Annunciation was on March 25th. About 3 Months Later, both on the Feast of the Sacred Heart, and also that of St. John the Baptist, the Victory came. Here is the excerpt.
Apart from that, I still think something significant will happen in the coming years, including 2025 and 2033.
I agree with Bishop Athanasius that the Triumph of the Immaculata will eventually come, but in God's Time, not in ours.
QuoteThere is a world of significance to unpack in this providential meeting of the Sacred Heart and John the Baptist.
Let us consider the first meeting between Christ and John.
Immediately after the Annunciation (March 25, the day Pope Francis did the consecration) Mary and her Immaculate Heart visited her cousin Elizabeth, and it is said that upon her arrival, "the infant leaped in her womb." Thus, we understand that John – who was around the age of six months gestation – leaped at the arrival of his Saviour, who was in the very early stages of life in utero.
We might say that the first encounter between John the Baptist and Christ was a moment when the fluttering of the Sacred Heart caused John's to jump for joy
The pro-life significance in this encounter is easy to see, given that a Sacred Child and a saint-to-be were able to connect in a way that goes beyond mere biology. There is a spiritual element to the encounter, which tells us that God has endowed the unborn with a unique human soul, thus the full dignity of a fully-grown human person.
Very important to recall, as well, is that Our Lady stayed with Elizabeth for exactly three months, until the birth of John, and then she left.
Now, if Heaven were to make its presence known in the world, especially in a moment like this, I think we can responsibly make a few connections. Three months after Pope Francis consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, there comes a providential day when the Sacred Heart and the Heart of John collide, and on that same day a judicial miracle takes place wherein the beating hearts of innocent children are given their rights.
March 25, 2022 to August 25, 2022.
5 months.
Russia still not a Catholic nation. War grinds on in Ukraine.
Quote from: King Wenceslas on August 25, 2022, 11:38:01 AM
March 25, 2022 to August 25, 2022.
5 months.
Russia still not a Catholic nation. War grinds on in Ukraine.
The overturning of Roe v Wade is a good start
Six months since the "consecration" and counting.
Quote from: King Wenceslas on September 28, 2022, 11:17:51 PM
Six months since the "consecration" and counting.
Five years from now and something will happen the adherents will claim it was because of the past pontiff's consecration. This is after they've declared him saint.