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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2021, 09:20:29 PM »
A recent facial reconstruction of a 10,000-year-old skeleton called the "Cheddar Man" has revealed a man with bright blue eyes, slightly curly hair, and dark skin.
 

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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2021, 09:35:23 PM »
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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2021, 10:42:34 AM »
St. Maximilian Kolbe shrine in Illinois has a Shroud of Turin exhibit. They used the shroud markings to depict what Jesus looked like, using computer digitalized images and age regression. Here is a video about the process. It works! His face is beautiful. About the original question, why ask if His skin is white or brown? Is this curiosity, or is there an inference behind the question? He saved us from sin, and it doesn't matter what color He was.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/police-create-image-jesus-child-shroud-turin-computer/story?id=30823820#:~:text=The%20Shroud%20of%20Turin%20has%20a%20faint%20image,The%20Independent.%20Is%20Face%20of%20Jesus%20Christ%20Revealed%3F
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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2021, 04:41:12 PM »
Same thing as lauermar just posted, but here's the link without the video:

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/shroud-of-turin-jesus-as-a-boy-294761

Just beautiful, and definitely believable given the successive oral witness about His mother that I recently posted, combined with NDE accounts.
 
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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2021, 05:13:26 PM »
About the original question, why ask if His skin is white or brown? Is this curiosity, or is there an inference behind the question? He saved us from sin, and it doesn't matter what color He was.

There's an evident agenda by trying to state, definitely, that Jesus had dark brown skin like a contemporary Arab.
Two sides of the same coin as the agenda of people who paint him as a white Aryan.
 
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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2021, 05:28:19 PM »
A recent facial reconstruction of a 10,000-year-old skeleton called the "Cheddar Man" has revealed a man with bright blue eyes, slightly curly hair, and dark skin.
Found in Wisconsin?
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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2021, 02:08:46 AM »
A recent facial reconstruction of a 10,000-year-old skeleton called the "Cheddar Man" has revealed a man with bright blue eyes, slightly curly hair, and dark skin.
Found in Wisconsin?
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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2021, 07:14:43 AM »
The following description of His Mother seems to coincide with several of the NDE reports regarding the Son:

Description Of The Virgin Mary By Epiphanius, Bishop Of Cyprus (Born about 320, died 404 a.d.)

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THE moral character and the material disposition of her youthful form were, according to Epiphanius, in this wise : He says:

She was grave and dignified in all her actions. She spoke little and only when it was necessary to do so. She listened readily and could be addressed easily. She paid honour and respect (i.e. she saluted) everyone. She was of middle stature, but some say that she was of more than middle height. She was wont to speak to every one fearlessly and clearly, without laughter, and without agitation, and she was specially slow to anger. Her complexion was of the colour of ripe wheat, and her hair was auburn (or reddish). Her eyes were bright and keen, and light brown in colour, and the pupils thereof were of an olive-green tint. Her eyebrows were arched (or semicircular) and deep black. Her nose was long, her lips were red and full, and overflowing with the sweetness of her words. Her face was not round, but somewhat oblong (i.e. oval). Her hand was long and her fingers were long. She was wholly free from all ostentatious pride, and she was simple, unpretentious, and inclined to excessive humility. She wore garments of natural colours (i.e. undyed homespun), and was content with them, a fact which is even now proved by her holy head-cloth. And to sum up, she was filled with divine grace in all her ways.

https://little-office-of-the-bvm.blogspot.com/2014/10/description-of-virgin-mary-by.html?m=1

Where did Epiphanius get this detailed information from?
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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2021, 12:27:04 PM »
The following description of His Mother seems to coincide with several of the NDE reports regarding the Son:

Description Of The Virgin Mary By Epiphanius, Bishop Of Cyprus (Born about 320, died 404 a.d.)

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THE moral character and the material disposition of her youthful form were, according to Epiphanius, in this wise : He says:

She was grave and dignified in all her actions. She spoke little and only when it was necessary to do so. She listened readily and could be addressed easily. She paid honour and respect (i.e. she saluted) everyone. She was of middle stature, but some say that she was of more than middle height. She was wont to speak to every one fearlessly and clearly, without laughter, and without agitation, and she was specially slow to anger. Her complexion was of the colour of ripe wheat, and her hair was auburn (or reddish). Her eyes were bright and keen, and light brown in colour, and the pupils thereof were of an olive-green tint. Her eyebrows were arched (or semicircular) and deep black. Her nose was long, her lips were red and full, and overflowing with the sweetness of her words. Her face was not round, but somewhat oblong (i.e. oval). Her hand was long and her fingers were long. She was wholly free from all ostentatious pride, and she was simple, unpretentious, and inclined to excessive humility. She wore garments of natural colours (i.e. undyed homespun), and was content with them, a fact which is even now proved by her holy head-cloth. And to sum up, she was filled with divine grace in all her ways.

https://little-office-of-the-bvm.blogspot.com/2014/10/description-of-virgin-mary-by.html?m=1

Where did Epiphanius get this detailed information from?

Fair question.  The way it was explained to us, by the priest who quoted from this account, was merely by successive eyewitness narration, which was later recorded in writing, and thus, this is probably the first written replication available to us.
 

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Re: Was Jesus brown or white?
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2021, 12:37:59 PM »
Where did Epiphanius get this detailed information from?

It does match with traditional Byzantine iconography, which served as the type for most Western depictions until the Renaissance (where artists started depicting their love interests, or beautiful European women, as the Virgin Mary)





I wonder if there's a relationship there in terms of images influencing Ephiphanius (some icons were allegedly painted by St. Luke) or the images being influenced by that description.
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