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Title: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 02:02:54 AM
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pIsZQStbuQ[/yt]


The Jewish Peril and the Catholic Church -
"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come.

We have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot claim that the whole of our work is done. We have still a long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent: the Catholic Church . . . We must always bear in mind that the Catholic Church is the only institution which has stood, and which will, as long as it remains in existence, stand in our way.

The Catholic Church, with her methodical work and her edifying and moral teachings, will always keep her children in such a state of mind, as to make them too self respecting to yeild to our domination, and to bow before our future King of of Israel.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 02:06:55 AM
Please excuse the capitalizing of "jewish". I copy-pasted the title.
Error has no rights.
 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 02, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)

Certainly not.  I'm sure there were good men and women serving for Germany, but whether through ignorance or what have you, they still represent the Nazi Party, no?

Perhaps that trumps any reasons for using it.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 02, 2013, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 02, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)

Certainly not.  I'm sure there were good men and women serving for Germany, but whether through ignorance or what have you, they still represent the Nazi Party, no?

Perhaps that trumps any reasons for using it.

Anyone who wishes to learn about the Catholic understanding of Nazi Germany should read MIT BRENNENDER SORGE
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON THE CHURCH AND THE GERMAN REICH
:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html)
Quote40. Venerable Brethren, We are convinced that the words which in this solemn moment We address to you, and to the Catholics of the German Empire, will find in the hearts and in the acts of Our Faithful, the echo responding to the solicitude of the common Father. If there is one thing We implore the Lord to grant, it is this, that Our words may reach the ears and the hearts of those who have begun to yield to the threats and enticements of the enemies of Christ and His Church.

As Pius XI says, Nazis were enemies of Christ and His Church. 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: PatrickG on May 02, 2013, 12:11:31 PM
Alex: Thank you very much? I assume you have read Father Fahey and Mgr. Dillon's excellent works on Judaeo-Masonry?
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 02, 2013, 12:21:38 PM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 02:06:55 AM
Please excuse the capitalizing of "jewish". I copy-pasted the title.

Since the quote which accompanies your avatar and username also does this, why start leaving off the capital now?

"As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people." ---Pope St. Pius X

The word "Jewish" appears capitalized in pre-conciliar Church documents, which is a good indication that this is correct usage.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 05:53:31 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 02, 2013, 12:21:38 PM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 02:06:55 AM
Please excuse the capitalizing of "jewish". I copy-pasted the title.

Since the quote which accompanies your avatar and username also does this, why start leaving off the capital now?

"As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people." ---Pope St. Pius X

The word "Jewish" appears capitalized in pre-conciliar Church documents, which is a good indication that this is correct usage.
You do have a point. I concede. The devil-worshipers do have the j capitalized.

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 06:18:27 PM
Quote from: PatrickG on May 02, 2013, 12:11:31 PM
Alex: Thank you very much? I assume you have read Father Fahey and Mgr. Dillon's excellent works on Judaeo-Masonry?
I have read both of these great men's works. Fr. Coughlin had great radio monologues about judeo-masonry among other things.

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Bonaventure on May 02, 2013, 08:23:20 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 02, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)

Certainly not.  I'm sure there were good men and women serving for Germany, but whether through ignorance or what have you, they still represent the Nazi Party, no?

Perhaps that trumps any reasons for using it.

They were just misunderstood.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Christknight104 on May 02, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 02, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)

Certainly not.  I'm sure there were good men and women serving for Germany, but whether through ignorance or what have you, they still represent the Nazi Party, no?

Perhaps that trumps any reasons for using it.

To be specific, only the Gestapo, Waffen SS( Armed SS),SD and other SS organizations  specifically represented  the Nazi party apart from general party members themselves, as decided by the Allies.  Those men in the avatar are soldiers from the regular Germany Armed Forces or Wehrmacht, specifically Heer or Army. There was a question amongst the Allies on whether the Wehmacht or regular German armed forces were as  guilty of heinous crimes as their SS peers in the front lines. The Allies decided that the conduct of the Regular Army was not unbecoming, in comparison to their SS counterparts, who were mercilessly hunted down as War criminals.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: Christknight104 on May 02, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 02, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)

Certainly not.  I'm sure there were good men and women serving for Germany, but whether through ignorance or what have you, they still represent the Nazi Party, no?

Perhaps that trumps any reasons for using it.

To be specific, only the Gestapo, Waffen SS( Armed SS),SD and other SS organizations  specifically represented  the Nazi party apart from general party members themselves, as decided by the Allies.  Those men in the avatar are soldiers from the regular Germany Armed Forces or Wehrmacht, specifically Heer or Army. There was a question amongst the Allies on whether the Wehmacht or regular German armed forces were as  guilty of heinous crimes as their SS peers in the front lines. The Allies decided that the conduct of the Regular Army was not unbecoming, in comparison to their SS counterparts, who were mercilessly hunted down as War criminals.

Well said. Interestingly enough, the great majority in the Waffen SS were not comprised of Germans. They were, Dutch, Flemish, Belgium, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, Swedish, you name it.
It was Europe VS. communism.

Picture of the Waffen SS at field Mass. Evil men they were. This picture is just a prop.
::)
 
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-p1_imGmaL1E%2FT-txnUszCOI%2FAAAAAAAACTM%2F8Xm-vGKonyM%2Fs1600%2Fdegrelle20smessapl5.jpg&hash=595a89ea393dcec961a31a6cdee28ed0a1126714)

The Waffen SS wore the different collar tabs. (Thy famous SS and the "wermacht") The giveaway was the shoulder tabs.

If you look closely, all the Waffen SS units had their country of origins flag patch on the arm.
This is a Belgiun Waffen-SS soldier

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrfdFn3pymKlFodbSbvBHvlC7B05mUUi7RbY6mf0TRXG9mshBp)
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Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Bonaventure on May 02, 2013, 09:44:31 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:46:29 PM
Quote from: Bonaventure on May 02, 2013, 09:44:31 PM
LOL
LOL What? The picture?.. Yeah, they weren't actually @ Mass, they were all actors in a progaganda stunt in order to lure Catholics in and enlist.... 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Christknight104 on May 02, 2013, 09:53:18 PM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:38:05 PM

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Are you sure those are Waffen SS? Their collar tabs are that of the Regular Army. In addition, the Nazi eagle is on the right chest. It was an SS trait to put the Eagle on the left arm, as opposed to the Wehmacht putting it on the chest.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: Christknight104 on May 02, 2013, 09:53:18 PM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:38:05 PM

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Are you sure those are Waffen SS? Their collar tabs are that of the Regular Army. In addition, the Nazi eagle is on the left chest. It was an SS trait to put the Eagle on the left arm, as opposed to the Wehmacht putting it on the chest.

Definitely, but the shoulder tabs on the first picture are Waffen ss tabs.

I understand what you are saying.
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Many people don't know much about the history of the Waffen-SS.

(For the Americanized, the video will seem a bit propagandistic, nonetheless it does depict to a tee the waffen-ss)
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nKEKhgGsAI[/yt]

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 10:00:23 PM
But I digress.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pIsZQStbuQ[/yt]


The Jewish Peril and the Catholic Church -
"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come.

We have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot claim that the whole of our work is done. We have still a long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent: the Catholic Church . . . We must always bear in mind that the Catholic Church is the only institution which has stood, and which will, as long as it remains in existence, stand in our way.

The Catholic Church, with her methodical work and her edifying and moral teachings, will always keep her children in such a state of mind, as to make them too self respecting to yeild to our domination, and to bow before our future King of of Israel.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 01:46:04 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: Christknight104 on May 02, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 02, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)

Certainly not.  I'm sure there were good men and women serving for Germany, but whether through ignorance or what have you, they still represent the Nazi Party, no?

Perhaps that trumps any reasons for using it.

To be specific, only the Gestapo, Waffen SS( Armed SS),SD and other SS organizations  specifically represented  the Nazi party apart from general party members themselves, as decided by the Allies.  Those men in the avatar are soldiers from the regular Germany Armed Forces or Wehrmacht, specifically Heer or Army. There was a question amongst the Allies on whether the Wehmacht or regular German armed forces were as  guilty of heinous crimes as their SS peers in the front lines. The Allies decided that the conduct of the Regular Army was not unbecoming, in comparison to their SS counterparts, who were mercilessly hunted down as War criminals.

Well said. Interestingly enough, the great majority in the Waffen SS were not comprised of Germans. They were, Dutch, Flemish, Belgium, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, Swedish, you name it.
It was Europe VS. communism.

Picture of the Waffen SS at field Mass. Evil men they were. This picture is just a prop.
::)
 
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-p1_imGmaL1E%2FT-txnUszCOI%2FAAAAAAAACTM%2F8Xm-vGKonyM%2Fs1600%2Fdegrelle20smessapl5.jpg&hash=595a89ea393dcec961a31a6cdee28ed0a1126714)

The Waffen SS wore the different collar tabs. (Thy famous SS and the "wermacht") The giveaway was the shoulder tabs.

If you look closely, all the Waffen SS units had their country of origins flag patch on the arm.
This is a Belgiun Waffen-SS soldier

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrfdFn3pymKlFodbSbvBHvlC7B05mUUi7RbY6mf0TRXG9mshBp)
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-AHphPcUizsQ%2FUNhpP2k5WiI%2FAAAAAAAAAaM%2FBwaXeLRzjhM%2Fs1600%2FLeonDegrelle4.jpg&hash=5340b730f0efdbe833cddd3468a4dedf2e446ec7)

There were even French and...UK SS units. Some of the UK units included Americans of German ancestory who returned to the Fatherland to fight Jewish Bolshevism instead of unite with it like Churchill Roosevelt and the other Rothschild funded Masonic Jew Pawns.  (anyone who has seen the HBO show Band of Brothers may remember in an early episode where the US soldiers encounter an American fighting for the Fatherland.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 02:02:02 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 01:46:04 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: Christknight104 on May 02, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 02, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)

Certainly not.  I'm sure there were good men and women serving for Germany, but whether through ignorance or what have you, they still represent the Nazi Party, no?

Perhaps that trumps any reasons for using it.

To be specific, only the Gestapo, Waffen SS( Armed SS),SD and other SS organizations  specifically represented  the Nazi party apart from general party members themselves, as decided by the Allies.  Those men in the avatar are soldiers from the regular Germany Armed Forces or Wehrmacht, specifically Heer or Army. There was a question amongst the Allies on whether the Wehmacht or regular German armed forces were as  guilty of heinous crimes as their SS peers in the front lines. The Allies decided that the conduct of the Regular Army was not unbecoming, in comparison to their SS counterparts, who were mercilessly hunted down as War criminals.

Well said. Interestingly enough, the great majority in the Waffen SS were not comprised of Germans. They were, Dutch, Flemish, Belgium, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, Swedish, you name it.
It was Europe VS. communism.

Picture of the Waffen SS at field Mass. Evil men they were. This picture is just a prop.
::)
 
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-p1_imGmaL1E%2FT-txnUszCOI%2FAAAAAAAACTM%2F8Xm-vGKonyM%2Fs1600%2Fdegrelle20smessapl5.jpg&hash=595a89ea393dcec961a31a6cdee28ed0a1126714)

The Waffen SS wore the different collar tabs. (Thy famous SS and the "wermacht") The giveaway was the shoulder tabs.

If you look closely, all the Waffen SS units had their country of origins flag patch on the arm.
This is a Belgiun Waffen-SS soldier

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrfdFn3pymKlFodbSbvBHvlC7B05mUUi7RbY6mf0TRXG9mshBp)
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-AHphPcUizsQ%2FUNhpP2k5WiI%2FAAAAAAAAAaM%2FBwaXeLRzjhM%2Fs1600%2FLeonDegrelle4.jpg&hash=5340b730f0efdbe833cddd3468a4dedf2e446ec7)

There were even French and...UK SS units. Some of the UK units included Americans of German ancestory who returned to the Fatherland to fight Jewish Bolshevism instead of unite with it like Churchill Roosevelt and the other Rothschild funded Masonic Jew Pawns.  (anyone who has seen the HBO show Band of Brothers may remember in an early episode where the US soldiers encounter an American fighting for the Fatherland.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUAbS4MIxw[/yt]
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Contrary to popular jewish propoganda Hitler and the NSDAP party line were not anti-Christian. They espoused what was called "positive Christianity". Which is essentially a form of Christianity without any hierarchy. They were anti-Catholic so far as it got involved in politics and against the Lutherans if they interfered in politics as well. Early on Hitler tried to combine both Catholic/Lutheran Churches into a single "ReichChurch" It would have been a Church along the lines of the CHurch of England.He even appointed an ArchBishop. They were also modern marcionites who removed the old testament. Which I can kinda understand. I myself have never had a whole lot of use for the OT myself. The SS in general was Pagan especially the high Command like Himmler but, Himmler refused to let any SS soldier be mocked for his Christian beliefs. Would that we had that in the US army today. I just read on google news the US armed services plan on court martialing any soldier who tries to proselytize or openly displays his faith.(unless he is jewish or muslim of course).
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 02:10:33 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Contrary to popular jewish propoganda Hitler and the NSDAP party line were not anti-Christian. They espoused what was called "positive Christianity". Which is essentially a form of Christianity without any hierarchy. They were anti-Catholic so far as it got involved in politics and against the Lutherans if they interfered in politics as well. Early on Hitler tried to combine both Catholic/Lutheran Churches into a single "ReichChurch" It would have been a Church along the lines of the CHurch of England.He even appointed an ArchBishop. They were also modern marcionites who removed the old testament. Which I can kinda understand. I myself have never had a whole lot of use for the OT myself. The SS in general was Pagan especially the high Command like Himmler but, Himmler refused to let any SS soldier be mocked for his Christian beliefs. Would that we had that in the US army today. I just read on google news the US armed services plan on court martialing any soldier who tries to proselytize or openly displays his faith.(unless he is jewish or muslim of course).
It's going to be a rough ride.

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:12:35 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 02:02:02 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 01:46:04 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: Christknight104 on May 02, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 02, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 02, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Gottmitunsalex, I hope you don't mind my asking, but what photo do you use for your avatar? Are the soldiers German?
Soldiers in the German army, WWII.
Part of an unpublished collection of photographs that the media, Catholic status quo and others are uncomfortable seeing.  Men and women serving in the German armed forces were evil, killers, murderers, rapists, non-Catholic etc....   ::)

Certainly not.  I'm sure there were good men and women serving for Germany, but whether through ignorance or what have you, they still represent the Nazi Party, no?

Perhaps that trumps any reasons for using it.

To be specific, only the Gestapo, Waffen SS( Armed SS),SD and other SS organizations  specifically represented  the Nazi party apart from general party members themselves, as decided by the Allies.  Those men in the avatar are soldiers from the regular Germany Armed Forces or Wehrmacht, specifically Heer or Army. There was a question amongst the Allies on whether the Wehmacht or regular German armed forces were as  guilty of heinous crimes as their SS peers in the front lines. The Allies decided that the conduct of the Regular Army was not unbecoming, in comparison to their SS counterparts, who were mercilessly hunted down as War criminals.

Well said. Interestingly enough, the great majority in the Waffen SS were not comprised of Germans. They were, Dutch, Flemish, Belgium, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, Swedish, you name it.
It was Europe VS. communism.

Picture of the Waffen SS at field Mass. Evil men they were. This picture is just a prop.
::)
 
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-p1_imGmaL1E%2FT-txnUszCOI%2FAAAAAAAACTM%2F8Xm-vGKonyM%2Fs1600%2Fdegrelle20smessapl5.jpg&hash=595a89ea393dcec961a31a6cdee28ed0a1126714)

The Waffen SS wore the different collar tabs. (Thy famous SS and the "wermacht") The giveaway was the shoulder tabs.

If you look closely, all the Waffen SS units had their country of origins flag patch on the arm.
This is a Belgiun Waffen-SS soldier

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrfdFn3pymKlFodbSbvBHvlC7B05mUUi7RbY6mf0TRXG9mshBp)
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-AHphPcUizsQ%2FUNhpP2k5WiI%2FAAAAAAAAAaM%2FBwaXeLRzjhM%2Fs1600%2FLeonDegrelle4.jpg&hash=5340b730f0efdbe833cddd3468a4dedf2e446ec7)

There were even French and...UK SS units. Some of the UK units included Americans of German ancestory who returned to the Fatherland to fight Jewish Bolshevism instead of unite with it like Churchill Roosevelt and the other Rothschild funded Masonic Jew Pawns.  (anyone who has seen the HBO show Band of Brothers may remember in an early episode where the US soldiers encounter an American fighting for the Fatherland.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUAbS4MIxw[/yt]

Exactly, the party line is to portray the NSDAP as a bunch of Odin worshiping pagans which outside of Himmlers inner circle was not the case. In fact in Mein Kampf Hitler writes that Germany is in essence Christian and he makes fun of the neo-pagans. As to Himmler he wrote in his diaries " When I reached adult hood I felt an abhorance for the faith of my youth (Catholic) because of the sodomites and other perverts in its ranks. Therefore I looked to the past..." Hitler would have none of this. In Albert Speer's Book Inside the Third Reich he mentions on several occasions Hitler making fun of Himmlers attempts at finding ancient German battleaxes. I have the book right here, here is a quote "on friday the Furher and I were at lunch shortly after Ava retired for her afternoon repast. Our conversation turned to ReichsFurherSS Himmler and his recent excavations in the Baltic. Hitler said to me." I can not understand that mans will to find ancient bits of pottery to prove the old religions. Good God have we not moved past that? If we are to move ahead the Jewish poison must be removed from scripture but, to think that to go back to wearing bear skins and dancing around bonfires with spears is the ultimate in absurdity."
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:13:02 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 02:10:33 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Contrary to popular jewish propoganda Hitler and the NSDAP party line were not anti-Christian. They espoused what was called "positive Christianity". Which is essentially a form of Christianity without any hierarchy. They were anti-Catholic so far as it got involved in politics and against the Lutherans if they interfered in politics as well. Early on Hitler tried to combine both Catholic/Lutheran Churches into a single "ReichChurch" It would have been a Church along the lines of the CHurch of England.He even appointed an ArchBishop. They were also modern marcionites who removed the old testament. Which I can kinda understand. I myself have never had a whole lot of use for the OT myself. The SS in general was Pagan especially the high Command like Himmler but, Himmler refused to let any SS soldier be mocked for his Christian beliefs. Would that we had that in the US army today. I just read on google news the US armed services plan on court martialing any soldier who tries to proselytize or openly displays his faith.(unless he is jewish or muslim of course).
It's going to be a rough ride.

Yeah  >:(
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: poche on May 03, 2013, 02:20:53 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Contrary to popular jewish propoganda Hitler and the NSDAP party line were not anti-Christian. They espoused what was called "positive Christianity". Which is essentially a form of Christianity without any hierarchy. They were anti-Catholic so far as it got involved in politics and against the Lutherans if they interfered in politics as well. Early on Hitler tried to combine both Catholic/Lutheran Churches into a single "ReichChurch" It would have been a Church along the lines of the CHurch of England.He even appointed an ArchBishop. They were also modern marcionites who removed the old testament. Which I can kinda understand. I myself have never had a whole lot of use for the OT myself. The SS in general was Pagan especially the high Command like Himmler but, Himmler refused to let any SS soldier be mocked for his Christian beliefs. Would that we had that in the US army today. I just read on google news the US armed services plan on court martialing any soldier who tries to proselytize or openly displays his faith.(unless he is jewish or muslim of course).
Sts Titus Brandsma and Maximilian Kolbe would disagree with you on the question as to their "Christianity.   
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 04:49:05 AM
Quote from: poche on May 03, 2013, 02:20:53 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Contrary to popular jewish propoganda Hitler and the NSDAP party line were not anti-Christian. They espoused what was called "positive Christianity". Which is essentially a form of Christianity without any hierarchy. They were anti-Catholic so far as it got involved in politics and against the Lutherans if they interfered in politics as well. Early on Hitler tried to combine both Catholic/Lutheran Churches into a single "ReichChurch" It would have been a Church along the lines of the CHurch of England.He even appointed an ArchBishop. They were also modern marcionites who removed the old testament. Which I can kinda understand. I myself have never had a whole lot of use for the OT myself. The SS in general was Pagan especially the high Command like Himmler but, Himmler refused to let any SS soldier be mocked for his Christian beliefs. Would that we had that in the US army today. I just read on google news the US armed services plan on court martialing any soldier who tries to proselytize or openly displays his faith.(unless he is jewish or muslim of course).
Sts Titus Brandsma and Maximilian Kolbe would disagree with you on the question as to their "Christianity.
Of course they weren't Catholic but, they had a version of Christianity. I never claimed they were Catholic far from it. Gottmittuns pics are those of soldiers who were Catholic receiving communion etc. (remember Pope Benedict was drafted into the Hitler Youth and was forced to fight. I was talking about the leadership. Look at my post. Hitler tried to start a "REICHCHURCH" he appointed his own Bishop and removed the old Testament. I NEVER said they were CATHOLIC. Lets be clear on that.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 03, 2013, 05:23:18 AM
Again, I'm not claiming that every member of the Germany military was a full-fledged Nazi, aware of everything going on and supporting it to the fullest extent.

What I wonder is why these images are used.  Even if these men are not guilty of Nazism, what merit do they possess outside the merit of any soldier?  They were not fighting for a Catholic state.  They showed no particular zeal.  They were no more German in identity than the German soldiers of WWI or earlier.

I just don't get it.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 05:30:57 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 03, 2013, 05:23:18 AM
Again, I'm not claiming that every member of the Germany military was a full-fledged Nazi, aware of everything going on and supporting it to the fullest extent.

What I wonder is why these images are used.  Even if these men are not guilty of Nazism, what merit do they possess outside the merit of any soldier?  They were not fighting for a Catholic state.  They showed no particular zeal.  They were no more German in identity than the German soldiers of WWI or earlier.

I just don't get it.   :shrug:

Maybe he's getting at how they've been swept under the rug, forced-amnesia style... when they shouldn't be?  How even someone who fought for the Third Reich could be a good man, despite everything the press and other media (run by Jew-know-who!) has tried to tell us for the past several decades?

Curious to see how GMA responds.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 05:33:44 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 03, 2013, 05:23:18 AM
Again, I'm not claiming that every member of the Germany military was a full-fledged Nazi, aware of everything going on and supporting it to the fullest extent.

What I wonder is why these images are used.  Even if these men are not guilty of Nazism, what merit do they possess outside the merit of any soldier?  They were not fighting for a Catholic state.  They showed no particular zeal.  They were no more German in identity than the German soldiers of WWI or earlier.

I just don't get it.   :shrug:

Because German soldiers are so lovable and funny.
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Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 05:40:50 AM
Quote from: poche on May 03, 2013, 02:20:53 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Contrary to popular jewish propoganda Hitler and the NSDAP party line were not anti-Christian. They espoused what was called "positive Christianity". Which is essentially a form of Christianity without any hierarchy. They were anti-Catholic so far as it got involved in politics and against the Lutherans if they interfered in politics as well. Early on Hitler tried to combine both Catholic/Lutheran Churches into a single "ReichChurch" It would have been a Church along the lines of the CHurch of England.He even appointed an ArchBishop. They were also modern marcionites who removed the old testament. Which I can kinda understand. I myself have never had a whole lot of use for the OT myself. The SS in general was Pagan especially the high Command like Himmler but, Himmler refused to let any SS soldier be mocked for his Christian beliefs. Would that we had that in the US army today. I just read on google news the US armed services plan on court martialing any soldier who tries to proselytize or openly displays his faith.(unless he is jewish or muslim of course).
Sts Titus Brandsma and Maximilian Kolbe would disagree with you on the question as to their "Christianity.

So would Pius XI.  This topic is clearly covered in the encyclical that I already linked to in this thread.  It is pretty ridiculous to dismiss official Catholic teaching as "popular Jewish propoganda".
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Contrary to popular jewish propoganda Hitler and the NSDAP party line were not anti-Christian. They espoused what was called "positive Christianity". Which is essentially a form of Christianity without any hierarchy. They were anti-Catholic so far as it got involved in politics and against the Lutherans if they interfered in politics as well. Early on Hitler tried to combine both Catholic/Lutheran Churches into a single "ReichChurch" It would have been a Church along the lines of the CHurch of England.He even appointed an ArchBishop. They were also modern marcionites who removed the old testament. Which I can kinda understand. I myself have never had a whole lot of use for the OT myself. The SS in general was Pagan especially the high Command like Himmler but, Himmler refused to let any SS soldier be mocked for his Christian beliefs. Would that we had that in the US army today. I just read on google news the US armed services plan on court martialing any soldier who tries to proselytize or openly displays his faith.(unless he is jewish or muslim of course).

So Hitler was an Ecumaniac? Who would have thunk it? "Positive Christianity" does not sound too good to me. Not that I am trying to be negative or anything like that. The term itself reminds me of certain 20th Century philosophers who would argue that there is nothing negative in nature. Killing for example is a positive act. It occurred. Since an action took place it is positive. It is valueless. It does not concern itself with what is right, just what exists.

It does baffle me that any Traditional Catholic would have "little use" for the OT. You must not use a Missal or you don't have a clue of what is going on at Mass.

Obviously, they resented the OT because they thought it was "Jewish". Which of course is absurd. Hitler was indeed the best friend the Zionists could have ever hoped for. I'm thinking he was actually on their team.

In the meantime, I find it hilarious that this thread gets completely side tracked by scandal due to GMAs avatar. Let the man use whatever he likes. This political correctness should be laughed and mocked. But it is too sad for that.

I believe the Catholic Gazette story is essentially true, but it does not name its source. That is a weakness. And if I am not mistaken, that paper closed up shop soon after the release of this story. I did not watch the video, but I have read it before. Either way, these same people have created an environment where political correctness rules the day.

I wonder if such a protest would be heard if American Soldiers were seen taking Holy Communion in a field Mass during WWII. The post-Enlightenment nation, par excellence.

I don't know what GMA is thinking at the end of the day, nor do I have a clue about Der Kaiser. But, I do find it humorous that there are some people who want to fight Jewish Thinking and Jewish Naturalism by trying to prove that Hitler was somehow right, or merely misunderstood.

I can't help but think about Studs Terkel, a Jew, who wrote The Good War about WWII. He seems to be in agreement with those who are still wringing their hands for having lost it. It was good for bankers and business and for driving the final nail in the coffin of Christendom. The Jews won the war. And the best part about it, for them, is they did not fight in it, they just financed it. And the even better part is that they have been able to play the trump card which paints them as the ultimate victims.

That, my friends, is called control.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 10:22:50 AM


Quote
So Hitler was an Ecumaniac? Who would have thunk it? "Positive Christianity" does not sound too good to me. Not that I am trying to be negative or anything like that. The term itself reminds me of certain 20th Century philosophers who would argue that there is nothing negative in nature. Killing for example is a positive act. It occurred. Since an action took place it is positive. It is valueless. It does not concern itself with what is right, just what exists.

It does baffle me that any Traditional Catholic would have "little use" for the OT. You must not use a Missal or you don't have a clue of what is going on at Mass.

Obviously, they resented the OT because they thought it was "Jewish". Which of course is absurd. Hitler was indeed the best friend the Zionists could have ever hoped for. I'm thinking he was actually on their team.

In the meantime, I find it hilarious that this thread gets completely side tracked by scandal due to GMAs avatar. Let the man use whatever he likes. This political correctness should be laughed and mocked. But it is too sad for that.

I believe the Catholic Gazette story is essentially true, but it does not name its source. That is a weakness. And if I am not mistaken, that paper closed up shop soon after the release of this story. I did not watch the video, but I have read it before. Either way, these same people have created an environment where political correctness rules the day.

I wonder if such a protest would be heard if American Soldiers were seen taking Holy Communion in a field Mass during WWII. The post-Enlightenment nation, par excellence.

I don't know what GMA is thinking at the end of the day, nor do I have a clue about Der Kaiser. But, I do find it humorous that there are some people who want to fight Jewish Thinking and Jewish Naturalism by trying to prove that Hitler was somehow right, or merely misunderstood.

I can't help but think about Studs Terkel, a Jew, who wrote The Good War about WWII. He seems to be in agreement with those who are still wringing their hands for having lost it. It was good for bankers and business and for driving the final nail in the coffin of Christendom. The Jews won the war. And the best part about it, for them, is they did not fight in it, they just financed it. And the even better part is that they have been able to play the trump card which paints them as the ultimate victims.



I completely agree with Innocent Smith in his saying that no one should attack Gottmitunsalex or anyone else because of the avatar they us. When I posted on this thread originally i just wanted to know what his avatar was, not trying to critique it one way or the other ( I actually think it is a very nice and symbolic photograph).
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
I wonder if such a protest would be heard if American Soldiers were seen taking Holy Communion in a field Mass during WWII. The post-Enlightenment nation, par excellence.

Did any popes make statements about the Americans being the enemies of the Church?

Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
I can't help but think about Studs Terkel, a Jew, who wrote The Good War about WWII. He seems to be in agreement with those who are still wringing their hands for having lost it. It was good for bankers and business and for driving the final nail in the coffin of Christendom. The Jews won the war. And the best part about it, for them, is they did not fight in it, they just financed it. And the even better part is that they have been able to play the trump card which paints them as the ultimate victims.

I had a cousin who fought and died in WWII.  He was in the Canadian Army and he was Jewish.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 10:33:32 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 10:22:50 AM
I completely agree with Innocent Smith in his saying that no one should attack Gottmitunsalex or anyone else because of the avatar they us. When I posted on this thread originally i just wanted to know what his avatar was, not trying to critique it one way or the other ( I actually think it is a very nice and symbolic photograph).

So you would not have a problem if I used this as my avatar?
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fontherisemagazine.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2FStar-of-David.jpg&hash=b0de5ee4fe76ad78bc66b45f742b5386ffce0d33)

An image that is associated with an enemy of the Church is problematic.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
In regard to the statement that Jews did not fight in WWII, here is an excerpt from a Hamilton Ontario newspaper:
QuoteIn his speech, Mr. Levitt recited the names of fellow Hamiltonian Jews who had died in the fighting and where they perished.  "It was very sacred, very holy," said Mr. Rubenstein, adding, "Who knows the last time these people's names were mentioned?"

Among the names Levitt recalled were: Flight Seargent Alex Balinson, Flight Officer Joseph Feldman, Seargent Ralph Frank, Warrant Officer Alfred Garshowitz and Flight Officer Sydney Lees. He also told his audience about a Hamilton hero who survived: retired Hamilton lawyer, David Goldberg, an outstanding pilot who was shot down over France, managed to land and connect with the French underground and ultimately escape to England. Flown home for a hero's welcome in Hamilton, Mr. Goldberg, who was not obliged to return to the Front, returned to Europe as a company squadron leader who led formations of spitfire planes over Italy that attacked German mortar positions and provided air support for the British army's Jewish Brigade. His remarkable wartime career included a total of 234 missions for which he was recognized by being awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross.

I use Hamilton as a an example because two of the men listed here are relatives of mine.  If this fairly small town has its examples of Jewish soldiers, how many must there have been among all the allies?
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 11:12:12 AM
Allow me to correct myself. What I was referring to  in my previous post was an avatar that didn't come into compromise with the traditional Catholic Faith. I thought that was not something i had to explain.  Yes, there would be a HUGE problem if someone actually used an avatar like that or any other symbol associated with people condemned by the church.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 11:12:12 AM
Allow me to correct myself. What I was referring to  in my previous post was an avatar that didn't come into compromise with the traditional Catholic Faith. I thought that was not something i had to explain.  Yes, there would be a HUGE problem if someone actually used an avatar like that or any other symbol associated with people condemned by the church.

Pius XI called Nazis "the enemies of Christ and His Church."  That sounds like a pretty clear condemnation to me.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Dominica on May 03, 2013, 11:17:47 AM
Joseph Stalin was more of an enemy to Our Lord and His Church, but he seems to have gone down the memory hole.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 11:30:51 AM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 10:33:32 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 10:22:50 AM
I completely agree with Innocent Smith in his saying that no one should attack Gottmitunsalex or anyone else because of the avatar they us. When I posted on this thread originally i just wanted to know what his avatar was, not trying to critique it one way or the other ( I actually think it is a very nice and symbolic photograph).

So you would not have a problem if I used this as my avatar?
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fontherisemagazine.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2FStar-of-David.jpg&hash=b0de5ee4fe76ad78bc66b45f742b5386ffce0d33)

An image that is associated with an enemy of the Church is problematic.

Outside of that avatar being redundant, why would anyone have a problem with it? In fact, I think you should use it. And since when have the Jews been classified as an enemy of the Church? We have dialogue with them now.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: Dominica on May 03, 2013, 11:17:47 AM
Joseph Stalin was more of an enemy to Our Lord and His Church, but he seems to have gone down the memory hole.

Yes he was our enemy too.  I think we would all object if anyone used an avatar that was associated with Joseph Stalin, or otherwise denied his evil and anti-Christian agenda.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 11:30:51 AM
Outside of that avatar being redundant, why would anyone have a problem with it? In fact, I think you should use it. And since when have the Jews been classified as an enemy of the Church? We have dialogue with them now.

Since the Crucifixion.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
I wonder if such a protest would be heard if American Soldiers were seen taking Holy Communion in a field Mass during WWII. The post-Enlightenment nation, par excellence.

Did any popes make statements about the Americans being the enemies of the Church?

Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
I can't help but think about Studs Terkel, a Jew, who wrote The Good War about WWII. He seems to be in agreement with those who are still wringing their hands for having lost it. It was good for bankers and business and for driving the final nail in the coffin of Christendom. The Jews won the war. And the best part about it, for them, is they did not fight in it, they just financed it. And the even better part is that they have been able to play the trump card which paints them as the ultimate victims.

I had a cousin who fought and died in WWII.  He was in the Canadian Army and he was Jewish.

Is there a point to bringing up your cousin? Nice use of anecdotal evidence. As usual.

And it is a sad reality that no popes have seen the extent of harm that Americanism has done to the Church.

Thanks for another diversion from the actual point. Here's an idea, next time you want to divert off the main point of someone's post, could you at least post a picture of a pretty girl or something like that?
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 11:41:11 AM
Pius XI condemned Nazis, not every single person who lived in Germany during the second world war! I have never even come close to supporting Nazism, but I think that it is important that people remember that not every single person who was in the German Army during the Second World War was a Nazi. I personally know of people who served in the German Army during WWII and they are the farthest thing from Nazis. What i see in this photo are devout Catholics reverently receiving Our Lord on the battlefield in the service of their country. I highly doubt anyone would look negatively on that.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
I wonder if such a protest would be heard if American Soldiers were seen taking Holy Communion in a field Mass during WWII. The post-Enlightenment nation, par excellence.

Did any popes make statements about the Americans being the enemies of the Church?

Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
I can't help but think about Studs Terkel, a Jew, who wrote The Good War about WWII. He seems to be in agreement with those who are still wringing their hands for having lost it. It was good for bankers and business and for driving the final nail in the coffin of Christendom. The Jews won the war. And the best part about it, for them, is they did not fight in it, they just financed it. And the even better part is that they have been able to play the trump card which paints them as the ultimate victims.

I had a cousin who fought and died in WWII.  He was in the Canadian Army and he was Jewish.

Is there a point to bringing up your cousin? Nice use of anecdotal evidence. As usual.

And it is a sad reality that no popes have seen the extent of harm that Americanism has done to the Church.

Thanks for another diversion from the actual point. Here's an idea, next time you want to divert off the main point of someone's post, could you at least post a picture of a pretty girl or something like that?

I brought up my cousin because he always comes to my mind when WWII is mentioned. I grew up hearing people speak of how much they missed him.   There is, of course, a massive amount of non-anecdotal evidence that Jews fought in WWII. 

You are the one who raised the topic of Jews fighting in WWII.  I was merely correcting the error in your statement.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 11:41:11 AM
Pius XI condemned Nazis, not every single person who lived in Germany during the second world war! I have never even come close to supporting Nazism, but I think that it is important that people remember that not every single person who was in the German Army during the Second World War was a Nazi. I personally know of people who served in the German Army during WWII and they are the farthest thing from Nazis. What i see in this photo are devout Catholics reverently receiving Our Lord on the battlefield in the service of their country. I highly doubt anyone would look negatively on that.

The German army implemented the policies of the Nazis.  That is a very strong association with an enemy of the Church.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

Carry on, all.

:-X
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
QuoteRealJayneK

The German army implemented the policies of the Nazis.  That is a very strong association with an enemy of the Church.

Very True. If it were a photo of men walking around with their hands held high, that would be one thing. This, however; is a photo of a Traditional Mass being celebrated on the battlefield. I personally don't see what is bad about this. I am not saying that their aren't Nazis in the photo, but we just don't know.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

I have not investigated this accusation so I do not know if it is true.  If it were true, it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether Nazis are an enemy of Church. 

If somebody starts using a picture of Paul VI as an avatar, it would be a good time to raise this concern.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: CoolCat on May 03, 2013, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

I have not investigated this accusation so I do not know if it is true.  If it were true, it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether Nazis are an enemy of Church. 

If somebody starts using a picture of Paul VI as an avatar, it would be a good time to raise this concern.
I guess that the star of David is a good choice for an avatar. If we are going to juxtapose it to a picture of Nazis in procession for Mass or Nazis recieving Communion. Sure, it works. In fact, the star of David should replace those other avatars.

You should use it Jayne.

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
QuoteRealJayneK

The German army implemented the policies of the Nazis.  That is a very strong association with an enemy of the Church.

Very True. If it were a photo of men walking around with their hands held high, that would be one thing. This, however; is a photo of a Traditional Mass being celebrated on the battlefield. I personally don't see what is bad about this. I am not saying that their aren't Nazis in the photo, but we just don't know.

It is bad because there are websites like this:  http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Hitlersfaith-1.html (http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Hitlersfaith-1.html)
QuoteCatholics today can't distance themselves enough from Adolf Hitler. But that wasn't the case in the 1930's and 40's when he was one of the most powerful men on earth. Germany's Catholics were proud as peacocks to count their Fuerher as one of their own, so long as he was putting Germans back to work, and making them proud of their powerful country, following the period of great economic depression and the humiliating shame they had suffered after their defeat in World War One. Hitler was not only allowed to "get away with murder", he was allowed to conduct mass-murder by the millions. Because Hitler has since been defeated and his villainy has come to be seen for what it was, Catholics now want to believe that their church must have repudiated Hitler in his day. But try as they may to rewrite history, the fact is that once Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, neither the pope in Rome as leader of the church worldwide, nor the bishops of Germany, ever denied membership or even public access to the sacraments to Hitler himself, nor to the many, many, other Nazi leaders of the Third Reich who claimed membership in the R.C. church.

And because there are books like this: http://books.google.ca/books/about/Hitler_s_Pope_The_Secret_History_of_Pius.html?id=mFHKrYwv87sC&redir_esc=y (http://books.google.ca/books/about/Hitler_s_Pope_The_Secret_History_of_Pius.html?id=mFHKrYwv87sC&redir_esc=y)

QuoteEugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, has long been the subject of controversy over his failure to speak out against Hitler's Final Solution. In Hitler's Pope, award-winning journalist and Roman Catholic John Cornwell shows that, even well before the Holocaust, Pope Pius XII was instrumental in negotiating an accord that helped the Nazis rise to unhindered power--and sealed the fate of the Jews in Europe. Drawing upon secret Vatican and Jesuit archives to which he had exclusive access, Cornwell tells the full, tragic story of how narcissism, longstanding personal antipathy for the Jews, and political and spiritual ambition combined to make Pius the most dangerous churchman in history. A firm and final indictment of Pius XII's papacy, Hitler's Pope is also a searing exploration of its lingering consequences for the Catholic church today.

Our enemies constantly slander us by accusing us of being complicit with the evil of Hitler and Nazism.  Why help them?
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Hawaii Five-0 on May 03, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
Ah, I see the derailer has struck again! 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: Hawaii Five-0 on May 03, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
Ah, I see the derailer has struck again!

...actually, you do raise a very fine point about that user... as it appears that in this thread they violate the following:

Quote from: Kaesekopf's Forum Rules on December 26, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
12) Sincere debate is permitted. Do not troll our forum.

21) Please do not derail threads.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: Hawaii Five-0 on May 03, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
Ah, I see the derailer has struck again!

Anyone may read this thread and see that I have introduced no new topics to it.  I have only responded to the posts of others.  If I am guilty of derailing then so are all of them.

Someone asked a question about GMUA's avatar in reply #2.  Another poster commented on this in #4.  I responded to this in #5.  After this at least six other posters responded to the newly introduced topic.  Singling me out as the derailer of this thread does not seem reasonable.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Hawaii Five-0 on May 03, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Here's a topic which dovetails with the OP.  Did you realize that the Jews played a part in China's Communist Party?  It's all part of the plot that will one day bring forth the antiChrist.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e65_1363271790
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 06:03:34 PM
Quote from: Hawaii Five-0 on May 03, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Here's a topic which dovetails with the OP.  Did you realize that the Jews played a part in China's Communist Party?  It's all part of the plot that will one day bring forth the antiChrist.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e65_1363271790

Wasn't aware of their Red China connection, but it doesn't surprise me.  Thanks for the info and the link, H5-0.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 05:40:50 AM
Quote from: poche on May 03, 2013, 02:20:53 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Contrary to popular jewish propoganda Hitler and the NSDAP party line were not anti-Christian. They espoused what was called "positive Christianity". Which is essentially a form of Christianity without any hierarchy. They were anti-Catholic so far as it got involved in politics and against the Lutherans if they interfered in politics as well. Early on Hitler tried to combine both Catholic/Lutheran Churches into a single "ReichChurch" It would have been a Church along the lines of the CHurch of England.He even appointed an ArchBishop. They were also modern marcionites who removed the old testament. Which I can kinda understand. I myself have never had a whole lot of use for the OT myself. The SS in general was Pagan especially the high Command like Himmler but, Himmler refused to let any SS soldier be mocked for his Christian beliefs. Would that we had that in the US army today. I just read on google news the US armed services plan on court martialing any soldier who tries to proselytize or openly displays his faith.(unless he is jewish or muslim of course).
Sts Titus Brandsma and Maximilian Kolbe would disagree with you on the question as to their "Christianity.

So would Pius XI.  This topic is clearly covered in the encyclical that I already linked to in this thread.  It is pretty ridiculous to dismiss official Catholic teaching as "popular Jewish propoganda".
Did you even bother to read my post? I never said they were Catholic but, that they had their own brand of "Christianity." Funny how YOU DISMISS Catholic teaching on the jews pre 1965 isn't it. Oh wait you converted from what "religion" again?...hmm... ::)
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:07:11 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 05:30:57 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 03, 2013, 05:23:18 AM
Again, I'm not claiming that every member of the Germany military was a full-fledged Nazi, aware of everything going on and supporting it to the fullest extent.

What I wonder is why these images are used.  Even if these men are not guilty of Nazism, what merit do they possess outside the merit of any soldier?  They were not fighting for a Catholic state.  They showed no particular zeal.  They were no more German in identity than the German soldiers of WWI or earlier.

I just don't get it.   :shrug:

Maybe he's getting at how they've been swept under the rug, forced-amnesia style... when they shouldn't be?  How even someone who fought for the Third Reich could be a good man, despite everything the press and other media (run by Jew-know-who!) has tried to tell us for the past several decades?

Curious to see how GMA responds.

Thats how I take it.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:10:21 PM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 AM


I can't help but think about Studs Terkel, a Jew, who wrote The Good War about WWII. He seems to be in agreement with those who are still wringing their hands for having lost it. It was good for bankers and business and for driving the final nail in the coffin of Christendom. The Jews won the war. And the best part about it, for them, is they did not fight in it, they just financed it. And the even better part is that they have been able to play the trump card which paints them as the ultimate victims.

That, my friends, is called control.

Hitler was the greatest Zionist in History. If not for him and the Holocaust there would be no Israhell committing genocide on the Palestinians.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:12:31 PM
[quote author=Innocent Smith


It does baffle me that any Traditional Catholic would have "little use" for the OT. You must not use a Missal or you don't have a clue of what is going on at Mass.

Last time I checked it was the Sacrifice of Christ who was killed for our sins.  :huh:

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 10:33:32 AM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 10:22:50 AM
I completely agree with Innocent Smith in his saying that no one should attack Gottmitunsalex or anyone else because of the avatar they us. When I posted on this thread originally i just wanted to know what his avatar was, not trying to critique it one way or the other ( I actually think it is a very nice and symbolic photograph).

So you would not have a problem if I used this as my avatar?
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fontherisemagazine.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2FStar-of-David.jpg&hash=b0de5ee4fe76ad78bc66b45f742b5386ffce0d33)



No I approve of honesty  8)

Seems like Jayne is being a little PC here. Are we supposed to clear our avatars with the ADL now.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
QuoteRealJayneK

The German army implemented the policies of the Nazis.  That is a very strong association with an enemy of the Church.

Very True. If it were a photo of men walking around with their hands held high, that would be one thing. This, however; is a photo of a Traditional Mass being celebrated on the battlefield. I personally don't see what is bad about this. I am not saying that their aren't Nazis in the photo, but we just don't know.

Jayne is a jew convert she still has talmudic baggage so she is going to get her panties in a twist when she sees anything German. Back when I was on the "septic tank" she got all mushugana about GMA's name because of the Gott mitt uns being used by Germans. I tried to explain to her that my grandparents used to have a painting of The Sacred heart that said Gott Mitt Uns on it that was painted in 1795 (remember that jayne) and it was just a common greeting in Bavaria. She went silent after that. Ignore here P.C. ADL crying.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:22:38 PM
Quote from: Hawaii Five-0 on May 03, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Here's a topic which dovetails with the OP.  Did you realize that the Jews played a part in China's Communist Party?  It's all part of the plot that will one day bring forth the antiChrist.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e65_1363271790

Jews have played a part in all communist uprisings. Thats why it was called Jewish/Bolshevism up until the 1950's. It's a fact communism was started by jews i.e. marx
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Heinrich on May 03, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Jayne is a jew convert she still has talmudic baggage so she is going to get her panties in a twist when she sees anything German.

Uncouth. Better ways to say this.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 03, 2013, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on May 03, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Jayne is a jew convert she still has talmudic baggage so she is going to get her panties in a twist when she sees anything German.

Uncouth. Better ways to say this.

I have no problems with Germans at all. My husband is part German.  I just accept Catholic teaching on Nazis.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on May 03, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Jayne is a jew convert she still has talmudic baggage so she is going to get her panties in a twist when she sees anything German.

Uncouth. Better ways to say this.

I have no problems with Germans at all. My husband is part German.  I just accept Catholic teaching on Nazis.

Do you accept the Popes teachings on the Jews too:

www.romancatholicism.org/popes-jews.htm
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Elliott on May 03, 2013, 10:34:51 PM
Is there a Church teaching on nazis?
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
QuoteRealJayneK

The German army implemented the policies of the Nazis.  That is a very strong association with an enemy of the Church.

Very True. If it were a photo of men walking around with their hands held high, that would be one thing. This, however; is a photo of a Traditional Mass being celebrated on the battlefield. I personally don't see what is bad about this. I am not saying that their aren't Nazis in the photo, but we just don't know.

Back when I was on the "septic tank" she got all mushugana about GMA's name because of the Gott mitt uns being used by Germans. I tried to explain to her that my grandparents used to have a painting of The Sacred heart that said Gott Mitt Uns on it that was painted in 1795 (remember that jayne) and it was just a common greeting in Bavaria. She went silent after that. Ignore here P.C. ADL crying.
This.
I honestly will not give her the time of day. The irony of this thread. How it turned out that we as Catholics have to explain why German, Spanish, Belgian, and many other European soldiers fighting against communism, judeo-masonry and it's ilk to a poster who is "offended" by pictures of what happened. If I were to have for an avatar an Israeli soldier, she would have "approved" it. Her response? "Anecdotal" evidence and by her own admission in a parallel thread (that she made in order to "make the mods aware"::) ) She says I quote:

Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 10:37:22 AM

I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here yet.  I think that this forum may seem attractive to them due to positive comments about Nazis.

Much ado about nothing. Except that she hates the Truth. It is inconceivable for her to imagine European soldiers fighting against judeo-masonry, Bolshevism, communism and receiving the Holy Eucharist all while wearing German uniforms.

The mere idea causes an implosion in her and she cannot compute.
So by her logic and bewilderment, she starts quoting Mit Brenndender Sorge thinking it is a "response" to my avatar. What a shame. The collage of photos which I compiled and inserted in my video, to her astonishment, has her on edge as well.

As the educated here know, not ALL the Germans were bad.  52% of Germans were Catholic. And again, obviously not all of them were Church-goers.

Unlike Jaynek, I will not concoct, err, cite "convenient anecdotal evidence" to try to prove a point. The Jewish doctored history books are against any evidence that could be published by a non "recognized and approved" publishing house. Just snippets from history, revisionists, Truth seekers. The holohoax is the biggest lie and greatest bulls--t made-into-religion that even Catholics swallow and believe.
My family is of German descent. We are Catholic. My parents had 16 of us kids. Some here already know me, and obviously you saw my mug on the video. I am not an "anonymous" poster like some here have said of me . The other "forum owner" from the that other forum has all my billing info, physical address, non-free email (my own domain). I stand by what I post. I have not posted anything against my faith. I do not post foul language, I have great zeal for the One True Faith.  Anyone that has read my history of posts can attest to that.
I will not retract my video nor change my CATHOLIC avatar at the request of someone who doesn't have the slightest idea of History. She may be well versed in liberation theology. But she is clueless about historical facts pertaining to Europe in the 30's and 40's.
She sees a uniform with an eagle and a Cross, she yells NAZI!!!!

She said I was a nazi sympathizer at the other forum because of mein name. I explained it publicly. Then she went off by saying I was anti-semitic.
Later she PM's me saying that she's sorry for saying such things. And that she went to an SSPX CHAPEL AND PRAYED FOR ME. (of course, this was in private).
"I said to her. No worries. I will pray for you too."

The thing is people, and I want KK to know this: She raises hell publicly, then she sends out the PM's (privately) saying sorry BUT no public retraction or amends. But the stigma of being labeled a Nazi, Nazi sympathizer and anti-semite stays. And that is her goal, to be divisive. Have trads label other trads by inciting venom and "potential risks" i.e. :    "I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here YET".

Jayne, unlike yourself that was welcomed here by KK after you "popped in" the forum, I was personally INVITED by him back in December.
We left the other forum because of ambiguous, liberal (I do mean it), posters like yourself. That (I'll use your words), apparently seem to have an agenda.
 
Ironic that this thread turned out this way. It's scary but true. Look at the title.
Again as before, I put my reputation before me, I have not said anything against the Church, the Pope and of course, Catholic doctrine.

I will not answer the parallel thread you made claiming it was created as a report to the moderators. B.S.

I could go on about the different avatars of mine, but they are all CATHOLIC. Either Catholic soldiers, Field Mass, Franco, Pavelic, Degrelle. et al. Enough said. You get the picture.
These men (soldiers etc) are seldom talked about or even known. I am a history buff and look for the Truth.
And I will not sign or support a jewish oath swearing loyalty to either their false demonic, religion nor abide to what the marranos within the Church want us to believe.

It's ludicrous and send us to hell.

I pray for the non-Catholics conversion to the One True Faith. The Catholic Faith.


 








     
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on May 03, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Jayne is a jew convert she still has talmudic baggage so she is going to get her panties in a twist when she sees anything German.

Uncouth. Better ways to say this.

I have no problems with Germans at all. My husband is part German.  I just accept Catholic teaching on Nazis.

Do you accept the Popes teachings on the Jews too:

www.romancatholicism.org/popes-jews.htm
How non-inclusive, judgmental, non-adaptable, backward thinking popes. Those were the old days. Things have changed. The Church has evolved and progressed. Those encyclicals, bulls, biblical passages, and papal addresses do not apply anymore.  Repent and give reparations for your sins!
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 04, 2013, 02:41:27 AM
Quote from: Heinrich on May 03, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Jayne is a jew convert she still has talmudic baggage so she is going to get her panties in a twist when she sees anything German.

Uncouth. Better ways to say this.

Yes.  Let's try to keep things a bit more impersonal.  You can (and ought to) address what you perceive to be erroneous or heterodox posts with facts and logic.  For example, it doesn't really matter whether a poster's marriage to a Jansenist is influencing them toward Jansenism; what matters is repelling Jansenism and informing the poster of the Church's teaching on the matter.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 04, 2013, 05:16:06 AM
Quote from: Elliott on May 03, 2013, 10:34:51 PM
Is there a Church teaching on nazis?

See post #5 of this thread:  http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=2177.msg37390#msg37390 (http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=2177.msg37390#msg37390)

Read the encyclical, not just the quote in the post.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Coastal GA Trad on May 04, 2013, 05:36:35 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
QuoteRealJayneK

The German army implemented the policies of the Nazis.  That is a very strong association with an enemy of the Church.

Very True. If it were a photo of men walking around with their hands held high, that would be one thing. This, however; is a photo of a Traditional Mass being celebrated on the battlefield. I personally don't see what is bad about this. I am not saying that their aren't Nazis in the photo, but we just don't know.

Back when I was on the "septic tank" she got all mushugana about GMA's name because of the Gott mitt uns being used by Germans. I tried to explain to her that my grandparents used to have a painting of The Sacred heart that said Gott Mitt Uns on it that was painted in 1795 (remember that jayne) and it was just a common greeting in Bavaria. She went silent after that. Ignore here P.C. ADL crying.
This.
I honestly will not give her the time of day. The irony of this thread. How it turned out that we as Catholics have to explain why German, Spanish, Belgian, and many other European soldiers fighting against communism, judeo-masonry and it's ilk to a poster who is "offended" by pictures of what happened. If I were to have for an avatar an Israeli soldier, she would have "approved" it. Her response? "Anecdotal" evidence and by her own admission in a parallel thread (that she made in order to "make the mods aware"::) ) She says I quote:

Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 10:37:22 AM

I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here yet.  I think that this forum may seem attractive to them due to positive comments about Nazis.

Much ado about nothing. Except that she hates the Truth. It is inconceivable for her to imagine European soldiers fighting against judeo-masonry, Bolshevism, communism and receiving the Holy Eucharist all while wearing German uniforms.

The mere idea causes an implosion in her and she cannot compute.
So by her logic and bewilderment, she starts quoting Mit Brenndender Sorge thinking it is a "response" to my avatar. What a shame. The collage of photos which I compiled and inserted in my video, to her astonishment, has her on edge as well.

As the educated here know, not ALL the Germans were bad.  52% of Germans were Catholic. And again, obviously not all of them were Church-goers.

Unlike Jaynek, I will not concoct, err, cite "convenient anecdotal evidence" to try to prove a point. The Jewish doctored history books are against any evidence that could be published by a non "recognized and approved" publishing house. Just snippets from history, revisionists, Truth seekers. The holohoax is the biggest lie and greatest bulls--t made-into-religion that even Catholics swallow and believe.
My family is of German descent. We are Catholic. My parents had 16 of us kids. Some here already know me, and obviously you saw my mug on the video. I am not an "anonymous" poster like some here have said of me . The other "forum owner" from the that other forum has all my billing info, physical address, non-free email (my own domain). I stand by what I post. I have not posted anything against my faith. I do not post foul language, I have great zeal for the One True Faith.  Anyone that has read my history of posts can attest to that.
I will not retract my video nor change my CATHOLIC avatar at the request of someone who doesn't have the slightest idea of History. She may be well versed in liberation theology. But she is clueless about historical facts pertaining to Europe in the 30's and 40's.
She sees a uniform with an eagle and a Cross, she yells NAZI!!!!

She said I was a nazi sympathizer at the other forum because of mein name. I explained it publicly. Then she went off by saying I was anti-semitic.
Later she PM's me saying that she's sorry for saying such things. And that she went to an SSPX CHAPEL AND PRAYED FOR ME. (of course, this was in private).
"I said to her. No worries. I will pray for you too."

The thing is people, and I want KK to know this: She raises hell publicly, then she sends out the PM's (privately) saying sorry BUT no public retraction or amends. But the stigma of being labeled a Nazi, Nazi sympathizer and anti-semite stays. And that is her goal, to be divisive. Have trads label other trads by inciting venom and "potential risks" i.e. :    "I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here YET".

Jayne, unlike yourself that was welcomed here by KK after you "popped in" the forum, I was personally INVITED by him back in December.
We left the other forum because of ambiguous, liberal (I do mean it), posters like yourself. That (I'll use your words), apparently seem to have an agenda.
 
Ironic that this thread turned out this way. It's scary but true. Look at the title.
Again as before, I put my reputation before me, I have not said anything against the Church, the Pope and of course, Catholic doctrine.

I will not answer the parallel thread you made claiming it was created as a report to the moderators. B.S.

I could go on about the different avatars of mine, but they are all CATHOLIC. Either Catholic soldiers, Field Mass, Franco, Pavelic, Degrelle. et al. Enough said. You get the picture.
These men (soldiers etc) are seldom talked about or even known. I am a history buff and look for the Truth.
And I will not sign or support a jewish oath swearing loyalty to either their false demonic, religion nor abide to what the marranos within the Church want us to believe.

It's ludicrous and send us to hell.

I pray for the non-Catholics conversion to the One True Faith. The Catholic Faith.


 








     




Gottmitunsalex, Excellent. I couldn't of thought of better words myself. At the beginning of this thread, I simply inquired about your avatar and I never could have expected what happened. I guess I am still relatively new to blogging. Continue to support and honor your heritage. There are people ( yes, even in Traditional Catholic Circles) who want us to sweep our heritage " under the rug" ( not just German heritage, but most nations; everything from the British Empire to the Confederate States of America). 






Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 04, 2013, 05:44:06 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
She said I was a nazi sympathizer at the other forum because of mein name. I explained it publicly. Then she went off by saying I was anti-semitic.
Later she PM's me saying that she's sorry for saying such things. And that she went to an SSPX CHAPEL AND PRAYED FOR ME. (of course, this was in private).
"I said to her. No worries. I will pray for you too."

The thing is people, and I want KK to know this: She raises hell publicly, then she sends out the PM's (privately) saying sorry BUT no public retraction or amends. But the stigma of being labeled a Nazi, Nazi sympathizer and anti-semite stays. And that is her goal, to be divisive. Have trads label other trads by inciting venom and "potential risks" i.e. :    "I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here YET".

I am sorry that I wrote about you what I did on the other forum and I am sorry that I did not publicly apologize sooner. 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: tmw89 on May 04, 2013, 07:55:09 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
QuoteRealJayneK

The German army implemented the policies of the Nazis.  That is a very strong association with an enemy of the Church.

Very True. If it were a photo of men walking around with their hands held high, that would be one thing. This, however; is a photo of a Traditional Mass being celebrated on the battlefield. I personally don't see what is bad about this. I am not saying that their aren't Nazis in the photo, but we just don't know.

Back when I was on the "septic tank" she got all mushugana about GMA's name because of the Gott mitt uns being used by Germans. I tried to explain to her that my grandparents used to have a painting of The Sacred heart that said Gott Mitt Uns on it that was painted in 1795 (remember that jayne) and it was just a common greeting in Bavaria. She went silent after that. Ignore here P.C. ADL crying.
This.
I honestly will not give her the time of day. The irony of this thread. How it turned out that we as Catholics have to explain why German, Spanish, Belgian, and many other European soldiers fighting against communism, judeo-masonry and it's ilk to a poster who is "offended" by pictures of what happened. If I were to have for an avatar an Israeli soldier, she would have "approved" it. Her response? "Anecdotal" evidence and by her own admission in a parallel thread (that she made in order to "make the mods aware"::) ) She says I quote:

Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 10:37:22 AM

I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here yet.  I think that this forum may seem attractive to them due to positive comments about Nazis.

Much ado about nothing. Except that she hates the Truth. It is inconceivable for her to imagine European soldiers fighting against judeo-masonry, Bolshevism, communism and receiving the Holy Eucharist all while wearing German uniforms.

The mere idea causes an implosion in her and she cannot compute.
So by her logic and bewilderment, she starts quoting Mit Brenndender Sorge thinking it is a "response" to my avatar. What a shame. The collage of photos which I compiled and inserted in my video, to her astonishment, has her on edge as well.

As the educated here know, not ALL the Germans were bad.  52% of Germans were Catholic. And again, obviously not all of them were Church-goers.

Unlike Jaynek, I will not concoct, err, cite "convenient anecdotal evidence" to try to prove a point. The Jewish doctored history books are against any evidence that could be published by a non "recognized and approved" publishing house. Just snippets from history, revisionists, Truth seekers. The holohoax is the biggest lie and greatest bulls--t made-into-religion that even Catholics swallow and believe.
My family is of German descent. We are Catholic. My parents had 16 of us kids. Some here already know me, and obviously you saw my mug on the video. I am not an "anonymous" poster like some here have said of me . The other "forum owner" from the that other forum has all my billing info, physical address, non-free email (my own domain). I stand by what I post. I have not posted anything against my faith. I do not post foul language, I have great zeal for the One True Faith.  Anyone that has read my history of posts can attest to that.
I will not retract my video nor change my CATHOLIC avatar at the request of someone who doesn't have the slightest idea of History. She may be well versed in liberation theology. But she is clueless about historical facts pertaining to Europe in the 30's and 40's.
She sees a uniform with an eagle and a Cross, she yells NAZI!!!!

She said I was a nazi sympathizer at the other forum because of mein name. I explained it publicly. Then she went off by saying I was anti-semitic.
Later she PM's me saying that she's sorry for saying such things. And that she went to an SSPX CHAPEL AND PRAYED FOR ME. (of course, this was in private).
"I said to her. No worries. I will pray for you too."

The thing is people, and I want KK to know this: She raises hell publicly, then she sends out the PM's (privately) saying sorry BUT no public retraction or amends. But the stigma of being labeled a Nazi, Nazi sympathizer and anti-semite stays. And that is her goal, to be divisive. Have trads label other trads by inciting venom and "potential risks" i.e. :    "I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here YET".

Jayne, unlike yourself that was welcomed here by KK after you "popped in" the forum, I was personally INVITED by him back in December.
We left the other forum because of ambiguous, liberal (I do mean it), posters like yourself. That (I'll use your words), apparently seem to have an agenda.
 
Ironic that this thread turned out this way. It's scary but true. Look at the title.
Again as before, I put my reputation before me, I have not said anything against the Church, the Pope and of course, Catholic doctrine.

I will not answer the parallel thread you made claiming it was created as a report to the moderators. B.S.

I could go on about the different avatars of mine, but they are all CATHOLIC. Either Catholic soldiers, Field Mass, Franco, Pavelic, Degrelle. et al. Enough said. You get the picture.
These men (soldiers etc) are seldom talked about or even known. I am a history buff and look for the Truth.
And I will not sign or support a jewish oath swearing loyalty to either their false demonic, religion nor abide to what the marranos within the Church want us to believe.

It's ludicrous and send us to hell.

I pray for the non-Catholics conversion to the One True Faith. The Catholic Faith.

Bravo!

Thank you for properly explicating in public her outrageous system of deception.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Innocent Smith on May 04, 2013, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 04, 2013, 07:55:09 AM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 03, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad on May 03, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
QuoteRealJayneK

The German army implemented the policies of the Nazis.  That is a very strong association with an enemy of the Church.

Very True. If it were a photo of men walking around with their hands held high, that would be one thing. This, however; is a photo of a Traditional Mass being celebrated on the battlefield. I personally don't see what is bad about this. I am not saying that their aren't Nazis in the photo, but we just don't know.

Back when I was on the "septic tank" she got all mushugana about GMA's name because of the Gott mitt uns being used by Germans. I tried to explain to her that my grandparents used to have a painting of The Sacred heart that said Gott Mitt Uns on it that was painted in 1795 (remember that jayne) and it was just a common greeting in Bavaria. She went silent after that. Ignore here P.C. ADL crying.
This.
I honestly will not give her the time of day. The irony of this thread. How it turned out that we as Catholics have to explain why German, Spanish, Belgian, and many other European soldiers fighting against communism, judeo-masonry and it's ilk to a poster who is "offended" by pictures of what happened. If I were to have for an avatar an Israeli soldier, she would have "approved" it. Her response? "Anecdotal" evidence and by her own admission in a parallel thread (that she made in order to "make the mods aware"::) ) She says I quote:

Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 10:37:22 AM

I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here yet.  I think that this forum may seem attractive to them due to positive comments about Nazis.

Much ado about nothing. Except that she hates the Truth. It is inconceivable for her to imagine European soldiers fighting against judeo-masonry, Bolshevism, communism and receiving the Holy Eucharist all while wearing German uniforms.

The mere idea causes an implosion in her and she cannot compute.
So by her logic and bewilderment, she starts quoting Mit Brenndender Sorge thinking it is a "response" to my avatar. What a shame. The collage of photos which I compiled and inserted in my video, to her astonishment, has her on edge as well.

As the educated here know, not ALL the Germans were bad.  52% of Germans were Catholic. And again, obviously not all of them were Church-goers.

Unlike Jaynek, I will not concoct, err, cite "convenient anecdotal evidence" to try to prove a point. The Jewish doctored history books are against any evidence that could be published by a non "recognized and approved" publishing house. Just snippets from history, revisionists, Truth seekers. The holohoax is the biggest lie and greatest bulls--t made-into-religion that even Catholics swallow and believe.
My family is of German descent. We are Catholic. My parents had 16 of us kids. Some here already know me, and obviously you saw my mug on the video. I am not an "anonymous" poster like some here have said of me . The other "forum owner" from the that other forum has all my billing info, physical address, non-free email (my own domain). I stand by what I post. I have not posted anything against my faith. I do not post foul language, I have great zeal for the One True Faith.  Anyone that has read my history of posts can attest to that.
I will not retract my video nor change my CATHOLIC avatar at the request of someone who doesn't have the slightest idea of History. She may be well versed in liberation theology. But she is clueless about historical facts pertaining to Europe in the 30's and 40's.
She sees a uniform with an eagle and a Cross, she yells NAZI!!!!

She said I was a nazi sympathizer at the other forum because of mein name. I explained it publicly. Then she went off by saying I was anti-semitic.
Later she PM's me saying that she's sorry for saying such things. And that she went to an SSPX CHAPEL AND PRAYED FOR ME. (of course, this was in private).
"I said to her. No worries. I will pray for you too."

The thing is people, and I want KK to know this: She raises hell publicly, then she sends out the PM's (privately) saying sorry BUT no public retraction or amends. But the stigma of being labeled a Nazi, Nazi sympathizer and anti-semite stays. And that is her goal, to be divisive. Have trads label other trads by inciting venom and "potential risks" i.e. :    "I am not saying that we have Nazi sympathizers here YET".

Jayne, unlike yourself that was welcomed here by KK after you "popped in" the forum, I was personally INVITED by him back in December.
We left the other forum because of ambiguous, liberal (I do mean it), posters like yourself. That (I'll use your words), apparently seem to have an agenda.
 
Ironic that this thread turned out this way. It's scary but true. Look at the title.
Again as before, I put my reputation before me, I have not said anything against the Church, the Pope and of course, Catholic doctrine.

I will not answer the parallel thread you made claiming it was created as a report to the moderators. B.S.

I could go on about the different avatars of mine, but they are all CATHOLIC. Either Catholic soldiers, Field Mass, Franco, Pavelic, Degrelle. et al. Enough said. You get the picture.
These men (soldiers etc) are seldom talked about or even known. I am a history buff and look for the Truth.
And I will not sign or support a jewish oath swearing loyalty to either their false demonic, religion nor abide to what the marranos within the Church want us to believe.

It's ludicrous and send us to hell.

I pray for the non-Catholics conversion to the One True Faith. The Catholic Faith.

Bravo!

Thank you for properly explicating in public her outrageous system of deception.

I will second that. My only question is how many times are we going to fall for this outrageous system of deception?

And exactly what is it in human nature that we allow ourselves to be on the defensive all the time and actually take the time to explain things to a kook?

If you pay too close attention to her, you might eventually lose your cool. I think that has been said about her before, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Innocent Smith on May 04, 2013, 08:35:55 AM
Quote from: Der Kaiser on May 03, 2013, 07:12:31 PM
[quote author=Innocent Smith


It does baffle me that any Traditional Catholic would have "little use" for the OT. You must not use a Missal or you don't have a clue of what is going on at Mass.

Last time I checked it was the Sacrifice of Christ who was killed for our sins.  :huh:


You've got a point there, Der Kaiser. Sorry if I came off smug here. Sometimes I get rolling and well, I come of sarcastic. Just trying to make the point that the Mass is full of Old Testament prayers and Psalms. And of course the Old is revealed in the New and the New is promised in the Old.

There is an excellent book that I have in PDF that connects the Sacrifices in the Temple with Calvary and of course the Mass. It is fascinating reading. Perhaps I will post it in another thread.

Let me know if you are interested.

p.s. I tried to fix the quotes, but this is the best I could do. I put in bold your comment.

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: voxxpopulisuxx on May 05, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 03, 2013, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

I have not investigated this accusation so I do not know if it is true.  If it were true, it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether Nazis are an enemy of Church. 

If somebody starts using a picture of Paul VI as an avatar, it would be a good time to raise this concern.
I guess that the star of David is a good choice for an avatar. If we are going to juxtapose it to a picture of Nazis in procession for Mass or Nazis recieving Communion. Sure, it works. In fact, the star of David should replace those other avatars.

You should use it Jayne.
Are you telling jayne she should apply the star of david to indicate her presence? HMMMM Awkward!...really insensative I think....considering she is a hebrew convert. Dont do it jayne.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: voxxpopulisuxx on May 05, 2013, 10:15:32 AM
BUMP


Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 02:02:54 AM
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pIsZQStbuQ[/yt]


The Jewish Peril and the Catholic Church -
"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come.

We have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot claim that the whole of our work is done. We have still a long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent: the Catholic Church . . . We must always bear in mind that the Catholic Church is the only institution which has stood, and which will, as long as it remains in existence, stand in our way.

The Catholic Church, with her methodical work and her edifying and moral teachings, will always keep her children in such a state of mind, as to make them too self respecting to yeild to our domination, and to bow before our future King of of Israel.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: stmykearchangel on May 05, 2013, 07:33:43 PM
Is it true that Calvin was a jew? If he was that certainly explains a lot.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Nic on May 06, 2013, 07:50:47 AM
I can't stand the term "Gentile" and the Talmudists just love to flaunt it. It is a derogatory term used to denote those outside of the people of God in the Old Covenant Age - a term that has no meaning after the Coming of Christ - "there is no more Jew or Gentile."

But what I cannot stand even more is when Christians refer to themselves as "Gentiles."  This always blows my mind.  But what also blows my mind is how the Talmudists think that we "Christian Gentiles" are going to bow down to their king.  It is either going to take a whole lot of brainwashing or acts of violence to accomplish that feat.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: voxxpopulisuxx on May 06, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: Nic on May 06, 2013, 07:50:47 AM
I can't stand the term "Gentile" and the Talmudists just love to flaunt it. It is a derogatory term used to denote those outside of the people of God in the Old Covenant Age - a term that has no meaning after the Coming of Christ - "there is no more Jew or Gentile."

But what I cannot stand even more is when Christians refer to themselves as "Gentiles."  This always blows my mind.  But what also blows my mind is how the Talmudists think that we "Christian Gentiles" are going to bow down to their king.  It is either going to take a whole lot of brainwashing or acts of violence to accomplish that feat.
I can think of an entire segment of millions of american prottys who will kiss the feet of the jews king. Some of which hold considerable influence in the govt and military.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 06, 2013, 12:53:41 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 06, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: Nic on May 06, 2013, 07:50:47 AM
I can't stand the term "Gentile" and the Talmudists just love to flaunt it. It is a derogatory term used to denote those outside of the people of God in the Old Covenant Age - a term that has no meaning after the Coming of Christ - "there is no more Jew or Gentile."

But what I cannot stand even more is when Christians refer to themselves as "Gentiles."  This always blows my mind.  But what also blows my mind is how the Talmudists think that we "Christian Gentiles" are going to bow down to their king.  It is either going to take a whole lot of brainwashing or acts of violence to accomplish that feat.
I can think of an entire segment of millions of american prottys who will kiss the feet of the jews king. Some of which hold considerable influence in the govt and military.

You can say that again.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 05, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 03, 2013, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

I have not investigated this accusation so I do not know if it is true.  If it were true, it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether Nazis are an enemy of Church. 

If somebody starts using a picture of Paul VI as an avatar, it would be a good time to raise this concern.
I guess that the star of David is a good choice for an avatar. If we are going to juxtapose it to a picture of Nazis in procession for Mass or Nazis recieving Communion. Sure, it works. In fact, the star of David should replace those other avatars.

You should use it Jayne.
Are you telling jayne she should apply the star of david to indicate her presence? HMMMM Awkward!...really insensative I think....considering she is a hebrew convert. Dont do it jayne.
Voxxpopulisuxx
I didn't know she was a convert. Besides, even if she was one, I would not find it offensive.  I'm talking about her having the Star of David for an avatar. Well, she originally brought it up. It is a nice remider as pope Benedict XVI says, of our fathers in the faith.

 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 06, 2013, 04:23:37 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 05, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Are you telling jayne she should apply the star of david to indicate her presence? HMMMM Awkward!...really insensative I think....considering she is a hebrew convert. Dont do it jayne.
Voxxpopulisuxx
I didn't know she was a convert. Besides, even if she was one, I would not find it offensive.  I'm talking about her having the Star of David for an avatar. Well, she originally brought it up. It is a nice remider as pope Benedict XVI says, of our fathers in the faith.

There is no way I would use it in an avatar, even if I thought it was acceptable for Catholics in general.  Pope Benedict's comment seems to be more directed to appeasing Jews than to teaching Catholics and I am disappointed in it.  It is not something I want to remind anyone about.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Archer on May 06, 2013, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 05, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 03, 2013, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

I have not investigated this accusation so I do not know if it is true.  If it were true, it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether Nazis are an enemy of Church. 

If somebody starts using a picture of Paul VI as an avatar, it would be a good time to raise this concern.
I guess that the star of David is a good choice for an avatar. If we are going to juxtapose it to a picture of Nazis in procession for Mass or Nazis recieving Communion. Sure, it works. In fact, the star of David should replace those other avatars.

You should use it Jayne.
Are you telling jayne she should apply the star of david to indicate her presence? HMMMM Awkward!...really insensative I think....considering she is a hebrew convert. Dont do it jayne.
Voxxpopulisuxx
I didn't know she was a convert. Besides, even if she was one, I would not find it offensive.  I'm talking about her having the Star of David for an avatar. Well, she originally brought it up. It is a nice remider as pope Benedict XVI says, of our fathers in the faith.



Do you post here just to tick people off? Honest question. 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Archer on May 06, 2013, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 05, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 03, 2013, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

I have not investigated this accusation so I do not know if it is true.  If it were true, it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether Nazis are an enemy of Church. 

If somebody starts using a picture of Paul VI as an avatar, it would be a good time to raise this concern.
I guess that the star of David is a good choice for an avatar. If we are going to juxtapose it to a picture of Nazis in procession for Mass or Nazis recieving Communion. Sure, it works. In fact, the star of David should replace those other avatars.

You should use it Jayne.
Are you telling jayne she should apply the star of david to indicate her presence? HMMMM Awkward!...really insensative I think....considering she is a hebrew convert. Dont do it jayne.
Voxxpopulisuxx
I didn't know she was a convert. Besides, even if she was one, I would not find it offensive.  I'm talking about her having the Star of David for an avatar. Well, she originally brought it up. It is a nice remider as pope Benedict XVI says, of our fathers in the faith.



Do you post here just to tick people off? Honest question.
It is needless to state -honest question- after your question. So every question you have asked without that qualifier is dishonest? I don't think so.
I was answering Voxxpopulisuxx's question and his implication that I am insensitive.

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Archer on May 06, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
It is needless to state -honest question- after your question. So every question you have asked without that qualifier is dishonest? I don't think so.
I was answering Voxxpopulisuxx's question and his implication that I am insensitive.

Brilliant Holmes.  It was to drive home the point that it appears you like to get under people's skin.   

Besides, your suggestion is extremely problematic for a Catholic.

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: Archer on May 06, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
It is needless to state -honest question- after your question. So every question you have asked without that qualifier is dishonest? I don't think so.
I was answering Voxxpopulisuxx's question and his implication that I am insensitive.

Brilliant Holmes.  It was to drive home the point that it appears you like to get under people's skin.   

Besides, your suggestion is extremely problematic for a Catholic.
Isn't everything.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Archer on May 06, 2013, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: Archer on May 06, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
It is needless to state -honest question- after your question. So every question you have asked without that qualifier is dishonest? I don't think so.
I was answering Voxxpopulisuxx's question and his implication that I am insensitive.

Brilliant Holmes.  It was to drive home the point that it appears you like to get under people's skin.   

Besides, your suggestion is extremely problematic for a Catholic.
Isn't everything.

Come again?
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: mikemac on May 06, 2013, 06:39:19 PM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 02, 2013, 02:02:54 AM
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pIsZQStbuQ[/yt]


The Jewish Peril and the Catholic Church -
"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come.

We have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot claim that the whole of our work is done. We have still a long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent: the Catholic Church . . . We must always bear in mind that the Catholic Church is the only institution which has stood, and which will, as long as it remains in existence, stand in our way.

The Catholic Church, with her methodical work and her edifying and moral teachings, will always keep her children in such a state of mind, as to make them too self respecting to yeild to our domination, and to bow before our future King of of Israel.

Back to the original topic.

In case anyone is doubting the authenticity of The Catholic Gazette February 1936 article titled "The Jewish Peril and the Catholic Church" that this video quotes here is a pdf of the scanned original copy.
http://www.johnthebaptist.us/jbw_english/documents/articles/misc/tmi2_jewish_peril.pdf

Note the advertisement at the bottom of the page for wine made by the monks of Buckfast Abbey.  A search shows that "Buckfast Abbey forms part of an active Benedictine monastery at Buckfast, near Buckfastleigh, Devon, England."

So Calvin, Luther and Henry VIII were all backed by Jews.  How about that?  That is what this thread should be all about.   
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Mithrandylan on May 06, 2013, 07:38:31 PM
Wow, did Richard Ibrayni just prove useful for something?

Eh, maybe we can get that pdf scan somewhere else so we don't have to give his poison a free plug.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 06, 2013, 08:04:12 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Archer on May 06, 2013, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 05, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 03, 2013, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

I have not investigated this accusation so I do not know if it is true.  If it were true, it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether Nazis are an enemy of Church. 

If somebody starts using a picture of Paul VI as an avatar, it would be a good time to raise this concern.
I guess that the star of David is a good choice for an avatar. If we are going to juxtapose it to a picture of Nazis in procession for Mass or Nazis recieving Communion. Sure, it works. In fact, the star of David should replace those other avatars.

You should use it Jayne.
Are you telling jayne she should apply the star of david to indicate her presence? HMMMM Awkward!...really insensative I think....considering she is a hebrew convert. Dont do it jayne.
Voxxpopulisuxx
I didn't know she was a convert. Besides, even if she was one, I would not find it offensive.  I'm talking about her having the Star of David for an avatar. Well, she originally brought it up. It is a nice remider as pope Benedict XVI says, of our fathers in the faith.



Do you post here just to tick people off? Honest question.
It is needless to state -honest question- after your question. So every question you have asked without that qualifier is dishonest? I don't think so.
I was answering Voxxpopulisuxx's question and his implication that I am insensitive.

Nice dodge.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 06, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Archer on May 06, 2013, 04:29:43 PM
Do you post here just to tick people off? Honest question.
It is needless to state -honest question- after your question. So every question you have asked without that qualifier is dishonest? I don't think so.

In this context, I took "honest question" to be the opposite of rhetorical question.  I thought that he was trying to make clear that he really wanted an answer because his question could have been misunderstood as a rhetorical one.  I thought this was a good idea.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Bonaventure on May 06, 2013, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: Archer on May 06, 2013, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 06, 2013, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 05, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 03, 2013, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 03, 2013, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on May 03, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Speaking of strong associations with enemies of the Church, how about that Montini guy betraying names of secret bishops (the ones who went across the Iron Curtain) to Communist cooperators?

Oops, not a Nazi, guess he wasn't THAT bad.

I have not investigated this accusation so I do not know if it is true.  If it were true, it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether Nazis are an enemy of Church. 

If somebody starts using a picture of Paul VI as an avatar, it would be a good time to raise this concern.
I guess that the star of David is a good choice for an avatar. If we are going to juxtapose it to a picture of Nazis in procession for Mass or Nazis recieving Communion. Sure, it works. In fact, the star of David should replace those other avatars.

You should use it Jayne.
Are you telling jayne she should apply the star of david to indicate her presence? HMMMM Awkward!...really insensative I think....considering she is a hebrew convert. Dont do it jayne.
Voxxpopulisuxx
I didn't know she was a convert. Besides, even if she was one, I would not find it offensive.  I'm talking about her having the Star of David for an avatar. Well, she originally brought it up. It is a nice remider as pope Benedict XVI says, of our fathers in the faith.



Do you post here just to tick people off? Honest question.

Is this rhetorical? It should be.

I just wish JohnWayne wouldn't act so schizophrenic with the accounts.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Elliott on May 07, 2013, 03:38:38 AM
The article mentions martin luther and his jewish friends. I have read that marty was very anti jewish. I doubt he had jewish friends.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 07, 2013, 05:30:39 AM
Quote from: Elliott on May 07, 2013, 03:38:38 AM
The article mentions martin luther and his jewish friends. I have read that marty was very anti jewish. I doubt he had jewish friends.

The explanation that I heard was that he thought that Jews would appreciate his wonderful new form of Christianity purified from all the Catholic mistakes and they would become Christians then.  This would affirm how right he was about everything.  :laugh:
When the Jews were not impressed with his new religion, he went from friendly to them to anti-Jewish.  So there are examples of both views in his writing.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Archer on May 07, 2013, 07:13:20 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 06, 2013, 08:04:12 PM
Nice dodge.

Patches O'houlihan would be proud. 

Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 07, 2013, 11:33:13 AM
lol
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Innocent Smith on May 07, 2013, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Elliott on May 07, 2013, 03:38:38 AM
The article mentions martin luther and his jewish friends. I have read that marty was very anti jewish. I doubt he had jewish friends.

It really doesn't matter what you doubt. He was the Arch-Heretic. He created the biggest Revolution of which all the others that were, and are to follow, are mere aftershocks of that monumental earthquake.

Quite often, when one is deceived, he will last out at those who deceived him, rather than admit he may have been wrong. It is my opinion that this indeed was the case with Luther.

It is quite obvious that the rise of Protestantism had everything to do with Judiazing. Monks were tired of being monastic and started carrying around swords in mimicry of Old Testament figures.

With this understanding, it is my belief that Protestantism was a New World Order for the sacking and looting of  peoples all over the earth, instead of going to Mission to these people. It was now a maritime world, which begat maritime laws, the implementation of debt through usury to steal lands, or just the outright stealing of lands and Church property which Luther and King Henry VIII did so very well.

I think "theological" differences was the mere cover for a new economy based on usury, debt, and the trading of pretty colored paper with ink over it for real assets like land and gold.

Now it may be true that Lutherans today, as well as other Protestants, will argue that they don't agree with our Doctrine. And I do not doubt their sincerity.

But Luther was a prideful man full of avarice. He was also quite vulgar. He delivered a new religion apart from the Catholic Church to the princes and various courts who demanded it. They were financed by Jews. So even if there did exist a certain separation, which may have been possible, he ultimately did the bidding of the Jews.

Not long after, Cromwell killed a King and crowned himself and let the Jews back into England. The rest, as we like to say, is history.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Heinrich on May 07, 2013, 04:41:40 PM
Thus begetting centralized banking.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Elliott on May 07, 2013, 08:26:19 PM
This is the first I've heard of Jews being behind the protestant deformation. What are some more sources?
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Bonaventure on May 07, 2013, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: Elliott on May 07, 2013, 08:26:19 PM
This is the first I've heard of Jews being behind the protestant deformation. What are some more sources?

Martin Luther's mom grandma was a marrano convert from Spain. Just take my word.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Heinrich on May 07, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
William Thomas Walsh's book on Philipp II talks of this.


http://www.amazon.com/Philip-II-William-Thomas-Walsh/dp/0895553279
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Hawaii Five-0 on May 07, 2013, 10:18:48 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on May 07, 2013, 04:41:40 PM
Thus begetting centralized banking.

And the dawning of the Protestant work ethic... Let everyone else do the work and they will accumulate the real wealth produced through usury and money manipulation, just like Shylock.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Kaesekopf on May 08, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
So, who are the idiots that let the Jews take over banking?  Why didn't the Church or some clergymen step in and say "hey, wait a minute, let's make all this bank for ourselves?"
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 08, 2013, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on May 08, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
So, who are the idiots that let the Jews take over banking?  Why didn't the Church or some clergymen step in and say "hey, wait a minute, let's make all this bank for ourselves?"

Here is a Wikipedia excerpt that addresses your question, but you may need to adjust for liberal spin:
QuoteLocal rulers and church officials closed many professions to the Jews, pushing them into marginal occupations considered socially inferior, such as tax and rent collecting and moneylending, tolerated then as a "necessary evil". Catholic doctrine of the time held that lending money for interest was a sin, and forbidden to Christians. Not being subject to this restriction, Jews dominated this business. The Torah and later sections of the Hebrew Bible criticise Usury but interpretations of the Biblical prohibition vary. Since few other occupations were open to them, Jews were motivated to take up money lending. This was said to show Jews were insolent, greedy, usurers, and subsequently led to many negative stereotypes and propaganda. Natural tensions between creditors (typically Jews) and debtors (typically Christians) were added to social, political, religious, and economic strains. Peasants who were forced to pay their taxes to Jews could personify them as the people taking their earnings while remaining loyal to the lords on whose behalf the Jews worked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_antisemitism)
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Bonaventure on May 08, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
Medieval kings saw Jews as their "property," and needed them to get loans.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on May 08, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
So, who are the idiots that let the Jews take over banking?  Why didn't the Church or some clergymen step in and say "hey, wait a minute, let's make all this bank for ourselves?"

Well, the Church stepped in and tried to combat usury, but that is a very hard practice to stop, especially once it's sold to the people. 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a historical smear campaign against Louis since he was such an "anti-Semite".
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on May 08, 2013, 08:01:15 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a historical smear campaign against Louis since he was such an "anti-Semite".
And all the pre-1958 popes as well. Remember that the Church didn't really start until 1965.
Everything before that was... "medieval"
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on May 08, 2013, 08:01:15 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a historical smear campaign against Louis since he was such an "anti-Semite".
And all the pre-1958 popes as well. Remember that the Church didn't really start until 1965.
Everything before that was... "medieval"

"The Dark Ages"

So foreboding. 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 09, 2013, 02:58:55 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a historical smear campaign against Louis since he was such an "anti-Semite".

Did you notice in the article linked to above, that they were complaining that Pius V is still a Saint?  It was as if he should have been "uncanonized" after Jewish groups declared him an anti-Semite.  This sort of thing infuriates me.  These people act like they are in charge of the Church.  >:(
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: voxxpopulisuxx on May 09, 2013, 03:59:03 AM
They are...newchurch
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Mithrandylan on May 09, 2013, 07:25:01 AM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 09, 2013, 03:59:03 AM
They are...newchurch

I've thought of getting a facebook page to troll our local parish.  Back when we were in the diocese we ended up on an email list for facebook updates and "Catholic activism" esp. re: religious liberty.  A few quotes from some 19/20th century popes on their wall would get them pretty bothered.  And hopefully convert them.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: VeraeFidei on May 09, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 09, 2013, 02:58:55 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a historical smear campaign against Louis since he was such an "anti-Semite".

Did you notice in the article linked to above, that they were complaining that Pius V is still a Saint?  It was as if he should have been "uncanonized" after Jewish groups declared him an anti-Semite.  This sort of thing infuriates me.  These people act like they are in charge of the Church.  >:(
I mean, St. Simon of Trent was effectively uncanonized. Same with, for example, St. Philomena and St. Christopher. I am pretty sure that is what they have in mind.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 09, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 09, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 09, 2013, 02:58:55 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a historical smear campaign against Louis since he was such an "anti-Semite".

Did you notice in the article linked to above, that they were complaining that Pius V is still a Saint?  It was as if he should have been "uncanonized" after Jewish groups declared him an anti-Semite.  This sort of thing infuriates me.  These people act like they are in charge of the Church.  >:(
I mean, St. Simon of Trent was effectively uncanonized. Same with, for example, St. Philomena and St. Christopher. I am pretty sure that is what they have in mind.

That makes it even more upsetting.  :(
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: VeraeFidei on May 09, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 09, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 09, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 09, 2013, 02:58:55 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a historical smear campaign against Louis since he was such an "anti-Semite".

Did you notice in the article linked to above, that they were complaining that Pius V is still a Saint?  It was as if he should have been "uncanonized" after Jewish groups declared him an anti-Semite.  This sort of thing infuriates me.  These people act like they are in charge of the Church.  >:(
I mean, St. Simon of Trent was effectively uncanonized. Same with, for example, St. Philomena and St. Christopher. I am pretty sure that is what they have in mind.

That makes it even more upsetting.  :(
Yes, I agree. It is of a similar vein to Benedict XVI dispensing the Traditional Good Friday oration for the Jews in favor of a more ecumenical prayer (which was the rationale given by Him and Curial officials). Give anything and they just ask for more.
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: Jayne on May 09, 2013, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 09, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
Yes, I agree. It is of a similar vein to Benedict XVI dispensing the Traditional Good Friday oration for the Jews in favor of a more ecumenical prayer (which was the rationale given by Him and Curial officials). Give anything and they just ask for more.

I can't stand that prayer. 
Title: Re: Jewish Plot Against The Church
Post by: LouisIX on May 09, 2013, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 09, 2013, 02:58:55 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on May 08, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 08, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 08, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Aggressively destroying usury was how Mohamed got his cult going.

Saint Louis attempted to eradicate usury from France.  He also had a Talmud burning.
The chart that's in the link Jaynek shared does mention a couple of instances where the popes ordered the different kings to burn the Talmud.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm (http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Papal_Bulls_Jews.htm)

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a historical smear campaign against Louis since he was such an "anti-Semite".

Did you notice in the article linked to above, that they were complaining that Pius V is still a Saint?  It was as if he should have been "uncanonized" after Jewish groups declared him an anti-Semite.  This sort of thing infuriates me.  These people act like they are in charge of the Church.  >:(

It's funny when folks apply modern ideas to the Church, as if canonizations are like receiving an award that can be rescinded.