If Suscipe Domine were a bar...

[Jacob]

Yes Tolkien avoided any comparisons to Christian history and his own mythology. He actually got quite angry when people compared the two.

What do you guys think about "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" and the authority Christopher Tolkien said his father gave it?

[Insanis]

What do you guys think about "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" and the authority Christopher Tolkien said his father gave it?

This may sound like a very weird thing to write at this particular moment, but I'm not that into it and never read and do not own The History of Middle-earth.

So, I don't really know or care what Christopher Tolkien says about it.

I don't read fiction much anymore at all, but besides Tolkien, I also like Lovecraft, and I only care about and read what H. P. Lovecraft wrote, not everybody else, even though they fleshed things out, I see it and Tolkien's work purely for entertainment and prefer to have some unfinished and unexplained aspects to maintain the literary aspect of it being just for entertainment.

So, in a way, when I like some diversion, I get "deep" into it, but not beyond the surface.

When I was a child, I was a bit obsessed by a certain fictional work, and I spent a lot of time reading in bookstores (yes, I treated bookstores as libraries, and I was poor, and I could ready very quickly). It had a massive extended corpus and rich detailed and ultimately pointless world building. In terms of reality, being that I could only read what I could when I was brought to the bookstore, I didn't get that far, but later in life, I saw people who had walls and even rooms entirely devoted to the same subject.

Now, my less than enlightening reading (ie, most fiction) takes up an allocated space and no more.

[Melkor]

What do you guys think about "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" and the authority Christopher Tolkien said his father gave it?

This may sound like a very weird thing to write at this particular moment, but I'm not that into it and never read and do not own The History of Middle-earth.

So, I don't really know or care what Christopher Tolkien says about it.

I don't read fiction much anymore at all, but besides Tolkien, I also like Lovecraft, and I only care about and read what H. P. Lovecraft wrote, not everybody else, even though they fleshed things out, I see it and Tolkien's work purely for entertainment and prefer to have some unfinished and unexplained aspects to maintain the literary aspect of it being just for entertainment.

So, in a way, when I like some diversion, I get "deep" into it, but not beyond the surface.

When I was a child, I was a bit obsessed by a certain fictional work, and I spent a lot of time reading in bookstores (yes, I treated bookstores as libraries, and I was poor, and I could ready very quickly). It had a massive extended corpus and rich detailed and ultimately pointless world building. In terms of reality, being that I could only read what I could when I was brought to the bookstore, I didn't get that far, but later in life, I saw people who had walls and even rooms entirely devoted to the same subject.

Now, my less than enlightening reading (ie, most fiction) takes up an allocated space and no more.

Same, never read it and don't plan to. It isn't actually an addition to the mythos; it is literally just a history of how it came to be written, and its different developmental stages.

[Insanis]

Same, never read it and don't plan to. It isn't actually an addition to the mythos; it is literally just a history of how it came to be written, and its different developmental stages.

I took a cursory glance at it (in a bookstore as an adult), but I didn't grok it.

I don't believe in a "canon" per se when it comes to fiction. I try to avoid that trap and enjoy things for what they are and no more. I have to set a limit somewhere.

[james03]

Maybe. I don't remember too much. A lot has changed since back then anyway.

Back then?  Recent history.  In the beginning was AngelQueen.  THAT was interesting because pretty famous people, like Wanderer reporters, would come on to debate.  Those that attacked Trads were destroyed in debate.  Good times.

[Michael Wilson]

Maybe. I don't remember too much. A lot has changed since back then anyway.

Back then?  Recent history.  In the beginning was AngelQueen.  THAT was interesting because pretty famous people, like Wanderer reporters, would come on to debate.  Those that attacked Trads were destroyed in debate.  Good times.

I was on angelqueen for a while; James what was your user name?

[Insanis]

Back then?  Recent history.  In the beginning was AngelQueen.  THAT was interesting because pretty famous people, like Wanderer reporters, would come on to debate.  Those that attacked Trads were destroyed in debate.  Good times.

In the beginning was the Word.

But in terms of forums, I don't remember too well.

As far as debates go, against people with opposing views, unless one side changes, there is no winner.

The oldest posts of mine were lost to the great bit bucket in the sky.

[Tennessean]

Yes Tolkien avoided any comparisons to Christian history and his own mythology. He actually got quite angry when people compared the two.

What do you guys think about "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" and the authority Christopher Tolkien said his father gave it?

I think its nice. I like all the stuff Tolkien wrote, his translation of Beowulf and attempt at a story for Beowulf's nephew. I like his interviews as well. Just a likable fella.

I got this confused with the Children of Hurin. I looked up Athrabeth and Finod, I haven't read it yet.

[Jacob]

Melkor, you should check this out if you don't want to find a copy of _Morgoth's Ring_.  I'm interested in what you think about it.

[Melkor]

It seems extremely interesting Mellon! I skimmed through it but have had a few beers; and I think it is best enjoyed sober. Will look into it fully tomorrow.

[red solo cup]

Thank you, but I must decline the bull: bos, bovis, bovi, bovem, bove, boves, boum, bobus, boves, bobus    

I like the joke and find it funny.

But I think you made a slight error there.

bos, bovis is an irregular third declension noun.  Here is the relevant section from Allen and Greenough, one of the most authoritative reference grammar texts:  http://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/3rd-declension-irregular-nouns  (I did omit the vocatives, because lately I've been working with a program that does this for pedagogical reasons. )

This why we refer to Jayne as sapientissimus.

[Jayne]

bos, bovis is an irregular third declension noun.  Here is the relevant section from Allen and Greenough, one of the most authoritative reference grammar texts:  http://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/3rd-declension-irregular-nouns  (I did omit the vocatives, because lately I've been working with a program that does this for pedagogical reasons. )

I'd avoid such a program if I were you.

I found it jarring at first, but I have come to think there is a good argument for it.  This treatment of vocative case is comparable to the typical treatment of the locative, for similar reasons. 

Edit to add a link to a new thread for discussing the Latin vocative issue:  https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=25495.0

Thank you, but I must decline the bull: bos, bovis, bovi, bovem, bove, boves, boum, bobus, boves, bobus    

I like the joke and find it funny.

But I think you made a slight error there.

bos, bovis is an irregular third declension noun.  Here is the relevant section from Allen and Greenough, one of the most authoritative reference grammar texts:  http://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/3rd-declension-irregular-nouns  (I did omit the vocatives, because lately I've been working with a program that does this for pedagogical reasons. )

This why we refer to Jayne as sapientissimus.

sapientissima, please. 

[james03]

I was on angelqueen for a while; James what was your user name?

I honestly don't remember.  Probably some variant of James or jadep.  There was a poster named Pascendi.  We used to team up a lot and beat back the universalists.

[Melkor]

The younger guys crowd James, buying him drinks and telling him how good his book was. 

[Insanis]

I think we'd get our license revoked and labeled a nuisance bar.

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