How to know if something is God's will or not

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Bernadette

Quote from: Bonaventure on September 23, 2024, 11:57:32 AMHis defining himself vis a vis his intrinsically disordered issue would affect you. You will be living with him.
Would it be a sin to live with him? Because he's gay?
My Lord and my God.
Ven. Matt Talbot, pray for Tom.

Bonaventure

Quote from: Bernadette on September 24, 2024, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Bonaventure on September 23, 2024, 11:57:32 AMHis defining himself vis a vis his intrinsically disordered issue would affect you. You will be living with him.
Would it be a sin to live with him? Because he's gay?

I don't think it's a sin per se. Just that it affects you.

Living with a smoker (weed or cigs) will affect you.

Doesn't mean it's a sin.
Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men in whom there is no salvation. When his breath departs he returns to his earth; on that very day his plans perish.

Melkite

Quote from: Bernadette on September 24, 2024, 06:01:36 PMWould it be a sin to live with him? Because he's gay?

No.  It may become sinful if living with him causes you to grow lax in your faith or becomes an occasion of sin for you.  But in and of itself, not sinful.

Mushroom

Gays give me creepy vibes. I don't have pleasant experiences with them. I can't imagine how they'd spend their time while sharing a living space with them. Alot of them also keep pride flags in their house and blaspheme. You're going to be exposed to lots of filth and indecency.

diaduit

Quote from: Bernadette on September 24, 2024, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Bonaventure on September 23, 2024, 11:57:32 AMHis defining himself vis a vis his intrinsically disordered issue would affect you. You will be living with him.
Would it be a sin to live with him? Because he's gay?

Wouldn't say so but just imagine you pop out for a meal and when you and Aunt return, he is drunk and in the middle of watching a porn video....how do you handle that? its what you may be exposed to that I would be afraid of.

diaduit

Quote from: Greg on September 23, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Bernadette on September 23, 2024, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: Miriam_M on September 23, 2024, 07:28:00 AM
Quote from: Bernadette on September 23, 2024, 06:54:07 AMHe's gay.

That would be too difficult for me.  (Too high a price to pay.)
Occasional encounters/friendly relationships with homosexuals are one thing.  Living in it something else entirely.

For me, and for other Catholics I know locally, the rest of the day on Sunday -- even the entire weekend -- is an important aspect of being Catholic.  To come home to that after a TLM would have a significantly toxic impact. 
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If you can shut out the living environment, you're made of stronger stuff than I.
I never really weighed the fact that he's gay as an issue. He's not living a gay lifestyle, so it's not like he'd be bringing men home. And he doesn't talk about it. I don't see how it would affect me, really.

Why mention it then?

Not relevant to your plight.

He is a bachelor.  He fits the dictionary description of one.

My advice would be write on a piece of paper how you can help him and he can help you.   Then watch that movie "The Odd Couple" and if you still want to go ahead then do so on a trial basis.  But with basic common sense dealt with them you can just try and see what happens.

It's his home though so important to give him his space.  I'd hate it for example if someone re-arranged my tools.

Just a comment on 'his home his stuff' type of thing, I'd bet he has asked his two female friends to move in as he sees the benefits of home cooked meals and a tidy house plus companionship.  Nothing like getting older to see how vulnerable you have become.  So if he is weighing up the benefits, he should also weigh up that they need to make the home their nest also and if that includes rearranging tools that are stored on the dining room table well then he has to give them wiggle room to do so to.  That possibly one scenario where this situation could go horribly wrong, unrealistic expectations from both sides.

Bernadette

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Quote from: diaduit on September 25, 2024, 01:53:05 AM
Quote from: Bernadette on September 24, 2024, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Bonaventure on September 23, 2024, 11:57:32 AMHis defining himself vis a vis his intrinsically disordered issue would affect you. You will be living with him.
Would it be a sin to live with him? Because he's gay?

Wouldn't say so but just imagine you pop out for a meal and when you and Aunt return, he is drunk and in the middle of watching a porn video....how do you handle that? its what you may be exposed to that I would be afraid of.
Honestly, it's the drinking that worries me the most. I'm used to family not having the same morals as me. But I can't handle it if he's drunk all the time. Hopefully we'll have a clearer picture after the visit.
My Lord and my God.
Ven. Matt Talbot, pray for Tom.

Antonius

Just be honest with yourself, when you are there. Access the situation, and be honest about it.
Nemo me inpune lacessit.

Greg

Quote from: Bernadette on September 24, 2024, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Bonaventure on September 23, 2024, 11:57:32 AMHis defining himself vis a vis his intrinsically disordered issue would affect you. You will be living with him.
Would it be a sin to live with him? Because he's gay?

AS far as you know he is not gay.  He used to be gay.  Now he is homosexually inclined.

Gay normatively means he is practicing sodomy.  I would not call a person with the affliction gay.
If I used a ouija board as a mouse mat would my desktop computer get repossessed?

Greg

Quote from: diaduit on September 25, 2024, 01:58:14 AM
Quote from: Greg on September 23, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Bernadette on September 23, 2024, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: Miriam_M on September 23, 2024, 07:28:00 AM
Quote from: Bernadette on September 23, 2024, 06:54:07 AMHe's gay.

That would be too difficult for me.  (Too high a price to pay.)
Occasional encounters/friendly relationships with homosexuals are one thing.  Living in it something else entirely.

For me, and for other Catholics I know locally, the rest of the day on Sunday -- even the entire weekend -- is an important aspect of being Catholic.  To come home to that after a TLM would have a significantly toxic impact. 
[...]

If you can shut out the living environment, you're made of stronger stuff than I.
I never really weighed the fact that he's gay as an issue. He's not living a gay lifestyle, so it's not like he'd be bringing men home. And he doesn't talk about it. I don't see how it would affect me, really.

Why mention it then?

Not relevant to your plight.

He is a bachelor.  He fits the dictionary description of one.

My advice would be write on a piece of paper how you can help him and he can help you.   Then watch that movie "The Odd Couple" and if you still want to go ahead then do so on a trial basis.  But with basic common sense dealt with them you can just try and see what happens.

It's his home though so important to give him his space.  I'd hate it for example if someone re-arranged my tools.

Just a comment on 'his home his stuff' type of thing, I'd bet he has asked his two female friends to move in as he sees the benefits of home cooked meals and a tidy house plus companionship.  Nothing like getting older to see how vulnerable you have become.  So if he is weighing up the benefits, he should also weigh up that they need to make the home their nest also and if that includes rearranging tools that are stored on the dining room table well then he has to give them wiggle room to do so to.  That possibly one scenario where this situation could go horribly wrong, unrealistic expectations from both sides.

Has he asked them?

Or has he agreed to their requests to live in his house?
If I used a ouija board as a mouse mat would my desktop computer get repossessed?

Bernadette

Quote from: Greg on September 25, 2024, 11:44:19 AMOr has he agreed to their requests to live in his house?
We didn't request to live in his house. He invited us.
My Lord and my God.
Ven. Matt Talbot, pray for Tom.

Bernadette

Quote from: Greg on September 25, 2024, 11:43:05 AM
Quote from: Bernadette on September 24, 2024, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Bonaventure on September 23, 2024, 11:57:32 AMHis defining himself vis a vis his intrinsically disordered issue would affect you. You will be living with him.
Would it be a sin to live with him? Because he's gay?

AS far as you know he is not gay.  He used to be gay.  Now he is homosexually inclined.

Gay normatively means he is practicing sodomy.  I would not call a person with the affliction gay.
I see. Thanks for the clarification.
My Lord and my God.
Ven. Matt Talbot, pray for Tom.

Greg

Quote from: Bernadette on September 25, 2024, 11:57:57 AM
Quote from: Greg on September 25, 2024, 11:44:19 AMOr has he agreed to their requests to live in his house?
We didn't request to live in his house. He invited us.

Then I agree with the above.  Beggars can't be choosers, but you aren't beggars.

A good idea would be to clean, tidy leave his personal space alone and see what happens.  Most batchelor slobs like the place neat if someone does it.  The movie The Odd Couple accurately shows where the border is between appreciation and annoyance
If I used a ouija board as a mouse mat would my desktop computer get repossessed?

james03

Quoteand if that includes rearranging tools that are stored on the dining room table

"But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God (Jn 3:18)."

"All sorrow leads to the foot of the Cross.  Weep for your sins."

"Although He should kill me, I will trust in Him"

Greg

It's not the dining room table when the washing machine needs fixing.  Then it becomes a workstation and tool bench.
If I used a ouija board as a mouse mat would my desktop computer get repossessed?