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Among the many theories doing the rounds among Traditional Catholics, including SVism and Ecclesia-Vacantism, I hope the Thesis that Pope Paul VI was a Prisoner in the Vatican is also Seriously Considered. IT is the Truth imho. At any rate, the Practical Advice given in the below Exorcism (recall Our Lord Jesus Christ forced the demons to confess He was the Son of God in the Gospel, and Our Lady forced the demons to confess the Power of the Rosary and Her Rosary in Church History, so it is not Unprecedented that, Out of Love for us Their Children, Lord Jesus Christ and Immaculate Mother Mary may help those who have ears to hear to understand what has happened since the 60s within the Roman Catholic Church) is excellent: True Mass better than New Mass, New Mass better than no mass. Do you agree or disagree with this 1975-1978 Exorcism, attested to by Many Competent Priests, and with the Advice Given?

From: https://www.tldm.org/news4/warningsfrombeyond.2of3.htm

"The following work confirms many of the Bayside revelations. The book essentially exposes the remarks and gestures made by a possessed woman in Switzerland during 1975‑1978. Speaking through the possessed woman, the demons were forced to tell the truth by Our Lady under the Solemn Church Exorcism, which was witnessed by the following priests who have all expressed their conviction of the authenticity of the revelations made by the demons upon the order of the Blessed Virgin.

1. Abbot Albert‑l`Arx, Niederbuchorten

2. Abbot Arnold Elig, Ramiswil

3. Abbot Ernest Fischer, Missionary, Gossau (St.‑Gall).

4. Rev. Father Pius Gervasi, O.S.B., Disentis

5. Abbot Karl Holdener, Ried

6. Rev. Father Gregoire Meyer, ‑ Trimbach

7. Rev. Father Robert Rinderer, C.P.P.S., Auw

8. Abbot Louis Veillard, Cerneux‑Pequignot

All eight priests are Swiss, except Father E. Fischer, a German. All participated in the exorcisms except Father G. Meyer who was spiritual director of the possessed woman. Two other French priests also participated in the exorcisms.

"B: He [Pope St. John XXIII] was humble and good, but he was not very gifted. At that time, it would have been necessary to install a very gifted Pope, knowing how to govern the Church and to maintain his authority in such a way that he could not be countermanded. But he learned that too late.[30] But, everything considered, it was in the plans of Those up there (he points upward) because the Scriptures must be wholly fulfilled.[31] Everything was in their plan, but all the same, it is a lamentable sight for Those up there to see the present situation.

E: In the name of the Father... B: He suffered bitterly for it on his deathbed, and he sent for some of his intimate friends, or those whom he thought were loyal to him. He told them that he would like to shout to the world: “If only I had not convoked this Council!”

B: Then came Pope Paul VI, intelligent and gifted. But what could he do to slow down what his predecessor had set in motion, and to put it into reverse? Besides, Paul VI himself made some mistakes in the beginning. He did not know what John XXIII had said on his deathbed. Then he did learn about it, but too late. At all events, he did not act on it, to his own great harm. He even took some steps that even added to the disaster.[33]

His pontificate has now lasted for almost fourteen years, and those fourteen years have been disappointing for him. He learned very quickly what the Council had brought with it of a destructive nature, hut too late.[34] It is a long time - many years - since he understood the faults he committed but nevertheless, it was too late. Now he follows a terrible road, a martyr's road, as the other demons have previously had to say before me, so that he can no longer do anything in the chaotic situation existing at the present time...

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E: In the name...!

B: There are some quite sincere people who believe that this comes from the Pope and who do not know of the existence of a double. Nor do they know that it is a sin to receive Communion in the hand. They do not wish to stand out from the crowd nor to be conspicuous; they do not know, for example, what is said in the book, “Warnings...”, or what has been said previously through authentic privileged souls, namely that Communion should not be taken in the hand; such people are not committing a serious sin;[52] it is not their fault if the priest does things that way.

And then, there is also this: in many churches, when people genuflect and wish to receive Communion in the mouth, they are made to feel unpopular as far as the priest is concerned. In that case also, the sin is not so serious. He up there (he points upward) judges each case individually. It cannot be said categorically that such a person will go to Hell because he receives Communion in the hand, when he does not know that this practice is not desired up there.

These people act through obedience and believe that it comes from the Pope, because they do not know that there is a double and that there are some cardinals who are disloyal to the Pope. They go along under the banner of obedience. I want to say that if these Christians should happen to get hold of tracts coming from other genuinely privileged souls, or from priests, which warn them that they have no right and should not, and if they receive the interior light - which, when received certainly comes from On High - and if, in spite of everything, they do the opposite, saying to themselves: “It's all the same whether I receive Communion in the mouth or in the hand - it is of no importance”, then the situation is different. Then, naturally, it is a sin. That is what else we must tell you. It depends always on each individual case.

The same thing applies to the Holy Mass. The Mass of Saint Pius V is considered by Those up there (he points upward), by Heaven, to the preferred Mass. But many priests should be told that they have no right to trouble (or upset) people by saying: “If there is no Mass of Saint Pius V, do not go at all... say a Mass[53] for yourselves at home on your own”.

This attitude is not good. In spite of everything, such a priest is not a good pastor (shepherd). For we have already said it on a previous occasion: It is a huge loss of graces, it is true, but the New Mass to the degree in which it is celebrated in all good faith and through obedience to the bishop, still brings nevertheless, many graces. Even if it does not have the plenitude of graces of the Mass of Saint Pius V, it brings some graces all the same. If people stay at home and believe that they only have to open up their missals, thus believing themselves to be better and superior to the rest, this is not good.
"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

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Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:

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Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass
 

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That was the same  devil that claimed that the real Pope Paul VI was a prisoner, and the bad guys had put a double in his place.
Friendly advice: Don't base your theological opinions on apparitions, especially post Vatican II apparitions. They will totally mislead you.
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The real Paul VI.  You decide.



Like John Vennari (RIP) said "Why not just do it?  What would it hurt?"
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That was the same  devil that claimed that [1] the real Pope Paul VI was a prisoner, and [2] the bad guys had put a double in his place


Yes, and I believe both 1 and 2, and my sensus Catholicus tells me that's a better explanation than SVism and EVism, for the Theological Reasons I've explained in the Relevant Sub-Forum. This is a Supernatural Historical Fact in my opinion, Confirmed by Miracles and Healings and other Manifest Supernatural Signs in New York to Mrs. Veronica Lueken, that Our Lady and Our Lord Themselves gave this Explanation in America, and then it was confirmed independently in Swiss Exorcisms in 1975-1978, which Several Catholic Priests have attested to be Supernatural in Origin. Once upon a time, I rejected this theory. After further study, I am convinced it is right, and also convinced that it must be openly preached, as the True Solution to the Church Crisis, for all who have ears to hear.

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Friendly advice: Don't base your theological opinions on apparitions, especially post Vatican II apparitions. They will totally mislead you.

Thanks for the advice. I base my Theological Opinions on the Catholic Faith. I reject these two opinions (1) 64+ SVism and its Attendant Ecclesia-Vacantism, and (2) New Mass is a Black Mass, Dimondite/Wathenite Heresy, because I know they contradict the Catholic Faith. The Second Opinion contradicts the Dogma Defined in the Sacred Council of Trent, and reiterated by "the Last Pope" His Holiness Pope Venerable Pius XII, that Holy Mother Church, being an Immaculate Mother, cannot give Grave Evil and even Poison Her Children.

If the Catholic Church caused 1.3 Billion Catholics to worship bread and become objective idolaters, and if She also makes Her Children go to Black Masses, as demonic satanists do, then She is the Greatest Satanic Sect that has ever existed, and not the True Church of Christ. I hold the Teaching of Bp. Williamson and Fr. Ripperger that (3) The New Mass is a Deficient and Inferior Mass, which confers less Graces. As the Quote in my Signature proves, His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre also certainly held this Doctrine, at least for a while in the beginning. And also Our Lady and Our Lord confirmed this as the True Doctrine and lamented the confusion some Traditionalist Priests who did not know the Traditional Doctrine of the Catholic Church - that the Catholic Church, being a loving Mother, CANNOT give evil to Her Children - were causing.

I am a Sheep of Christ and I recognize the Voice of my Good Shepherd when He speaks, as my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ taught me in His Gospel of Saint John. If you disagree, that's ok, and as you said once, we can shake hands and remain friends. God bless you.

Mrs. Veronica Lueken knew facts that she could in no way have ever known, unless God had taught it to her, and she also gave away all the lies of the Communist Infiltrators of the Church, who were persecuting the Holy Father, just as Our Lady of Fatima said they would.
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"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

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Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:

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Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass
 

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See how Bayside condemns Holy Communion in the Hand, the only Marian Apparition to explicitly do that. Akita (which speaks of Church Infiltration by the Work of the Devil, and Eucharistic Sacrileges without mentioning this explictly) and Garabandal (which said that many Bishops, Cardinals and Priests were on the Road to Hell and taking many with them, and that less and less importance was being given to the Holy Eucharist) spoke about similar things, but not in as Great Depth as Our Lady did as Bayside, New York. I believe in Her, period. There is evidence that Abp. De Noia and even Cardinal Ratzinger, the Future Pope Benedict XVI, took Bayside seriously.

Taken from: https://www.tldm.org/news47/27-doctors-to-german-bishops-no-medical-reasons-for-a-ban-of-communion-on-the-tongue.htm



"27 Doctors to German Bishops: ‘No Medical Reasons for a Ban of Communion on the Tongue’...
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"Communion in the hand has not been, and will not be accepted by Heaven. This is a sacrilege in the eyes of the Eternal Father, and must not be continued, for you only add to your punishment when you continue on in the ways that have been found to be unpleasing to the Eternal Father." - Our Lady of the Roses, June 30, 1984

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"My children, kneel before your God in the Eucharist. Do not stand like you stand in meeting halls, but kneel and give Him a just love and observance of honor." - Our Lady, July 14, 1979


"The above Messages from Our Lady were given to Veronica Lueken at Bayside, New York. Read more

LifeSiteNews.com reported on September 21, 2020:

by Dr. Maike Hickson

A group of German medical doctors has written a statement to the German Bishops' Conference in which they say that there are “no medical reasons for a ban of Communion on the tongue,” according to a press release obtained by LifeSiteNews.

The document is written by “physicians from different regions and with different medical specialties,” one of the organizers of the document told LifeSite. The initiative was taken, according to the speaker who wishes to remain anonymous, “because we in Germany thought that, after the lifting of the ban on Communion on the tongue in Austria, this would be allowed again after a short delay also in our country. But since this was not even the case after weeks, we started this initiative.”

In June, 21 Austrian doctors quoted the professional opinion of Professor Filippo Maria Boscia, the president of the Association of Catholic Doctors of Italy who stated in May that “Communion on the tongue is safer than hand Communion.”

In light of the coronavirus crisis, the German bishops banned Communion on the tongue. That ban is still in effect. Thus, faithful are forced to receive Holy Communion on the hand. The German bishops will have their annual fall assembly September 22 to 24, for which this new statement has been prepared.

The German Catholic newspaper Die Tagespost, which first reported on this new initiative on September 17, explains more in detail what the arguments of this group of medical doctors are.

According to this newspaper, the medical doctors rely, among others, on the work of the Munich virologist Michael Roggendorf who works in the field of coronavirus crisis intervention.

According to these physicians, the hands of communicants in the churches are also carriers of viruses and bacteria since they touch the pews when sitting and kneeling. Therefore, the reception of Holy Communion in the hand “cannot be regarded as a safe [hygienic] alternative,” states the Tagespost report.

If during the distribution of Holy Communion, the priest should touch one of the communicants' tongues, he can disinfect his hands. In addition, when opening one's mouth, one tends to breathe in, rather than out, so that the dispersion of droplets is not so probable. Thus, the report explains, Communion on the tongue is safer than Communion on the hand, also since the kneeling position for Communion on the tongue creates a safer distance between the priest and the communicants.

Further summing up the arguments of the 27 medical doctors in favor of Communion on the tongue, the Tagespost report says that the traditional rite of Holy Mass includes a strict procedure of the cleansing of the hands which is part of the Mass. That is to say, the cleanliness of the priest does not depend upon his own whims, but is, instead, part of the rite of the Mass. Only the priest is allowed to touch the chalice and the paten and ciborium. In addition, the priest celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass is not even touching anything anymore with his thumb and pointer – which remain pressed upon each other – after consecration, thus keeping these two fingers especially clean.

Furthermore, the medical doctors also point out that Switzerland never put a ban on Communion on the tongue and never experienced a spike in infections due to the practice of Communion on the tongue.

With regard to other illnesses, such as the flu and meningococcal infections, the doctors state that there is a low risk of infection.

As a September 19 press release of the group of medical doctors states, the German Bishops Conference will decide during their upcoming fall assembly whether to “lift the ban on Communion on the tongue.” With it, they follow their colleagues in Austria, who had had a similar initiative already on the Feast of Corpus Christi, in June of this year and in the wake of which the “Austrian Bishops' Conference has lifted the ban on Communion on the tongue.”

These German physicians hope that “with their intervention, there will be an end to the conflict of conscience among many faithful and priests and the canoncially ordinary form of reception of Communion will no longer be denied.”

According to the press release, other doctors have already now joined the original group of signatories.

This group of doctors asks why the German bishops do not join the Austrian and the Swiss bishops who permit Communion on the tongue and conclude their press release with the words: “Why should the German bishops exit this community [of the German-speaking realm] and take a Sonderweg [an exceptional, independent path]?”

The pro-family organization Voice of the Family, together with LifeSiteNews, hosted an online conference in July stressing the importance of receiving Holy Communion worthily, that is: kneeling and on the tongue. One of its speakers, LifeSite contributor Dr. Peter Kwasniewski, insisted that a bishop oversteps his authority in denying Catholics the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue. “Many bishops are abusing their authority right now because … they’re supposed to uphold Canon Law and Canon Law is really clear that the faithful have the right to receive communion on the tongue. That's it,” he stated.

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"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

Quote from: +ABL
Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:

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Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass
 

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See how Bayside condemns Holy Communion in the Hand

Since no discipline of the Church can be harmful to souls and since CITH has been universally permitted by Rome, then it necessarily follows that it can't be condemned.

Unless the apparition in Bayside has confirmed that there has been no pope in Rome since the 1960's, it's a condemnation that savors of heresy.
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Xavier,
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(1) 64+ SVism and its Attendant Ecclesia-Vacantism, and (2) New Mass is a Black Mass, Dimondite/Wathenite Heresy, because I know they contradict the Catholic Faith. The Second Opinion contradicts the Dogma Defined in the Sacred Council of Trent, and reiterated by "the Last Pope" His Holiness Pope Venerable Pius XII, that Holy Mother Church, being an Immaculate Mother, cannot give Grave Evil and even Poison Her Children.

if Paul VI is a prisoner, then the logical thing is to adopt a variety of "Benevacantism" i.e. "Paulvacantism"; i.e. Paul VI did  not die or resign, he is therefore still the Pope. If he is still the Pope, then the Popes that apparently succeeded him are not true Popes. Secondly, we don't know when Paul VI was kidnapped; we would have to wait for his return in order to know for certain; which would mean all the acts of his pontificate could be invalid or suspended, including the signing of the documents of Vatican II; the N.O.M. The New Sacramental rites etc. etc.
Which also means that the false diabolical Popes (according to the Exorcisms) are the ones that promulgated the N.O.M. And not the true Popes; so that the N.O.M. Could be a "Black Mass", since it doesn't come  from the Church.
You see what kind of contradiction these so called apparitions lead one into?
Xavier, quote Bayside:
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"Many now rebel against their leader, their God-given leader, your Vicar. In matters of faith and morals, man must not change the God-given laws, coming from the seat of Peter, and established through tradition upon earth through My Son's Church." - Our Lady of the Roses, October 6, 1979
Bayside on the contrary tells us to be obedient to the Anti-Pope of the exorcism!
So for one message from Heaven, Paul VI is alive and the the real Pope; for the other, it is an anti-Pope that we must obey.
The same for Communion in the Hand. If the Pope approved it; then Heaven is speaking against its Vicar.
This all makes my head spin like a top.
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The real Paul VI.  You decide.




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"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers
 
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See how Bayside condemns Holy Communion in the Hand

Since no discipline of the Church can be harmful to souls and since CITH has been universally permitted by Rome, then it necessarily follows that it can't be condemned.

Unless the apparition in Bayside has confirmed that there has been no pope in Rome since the 1960's, it's a condemnation that savors of heresy.

Dear Goldfinch, I concede your Major, and deny your Minor. Your argument is this.

Major: Holy Mother Church, being an Immaculate Bride of God, and Immaculate Mother of the Faithful, cannot give evil to Her Children.
Answer: Major Conceded.

Minor: The Church universally supposedly gave us Holy Communion in the hand.
Response: Minor Denied.

And thus the rest of the argument doesn't follow. I will respond more on this in the subsequent posts. Please remind me if I forget.

Now, over to Michael Wilson:

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if Paul VI is a prisoner, then the logical thing is to adopt a variety of "Benevacantism" i.e. "Paulvacantism"; i.e. Paul VI did  not die or resign, he is therefore still the Pope. If he is still the Pope, then the Popes that apparently succeeded him are not true Popes. Secondly, we don't know when Paul VI was kidnapped; we would have to wait for his return in order to know for certain; which would mean all the acts of his pontificate could be invalid or suspended, including the signing of the documents of Vatican II; the N.O.M. The New Sacramental rites etc. etc.

Have you ever been to Bayside, New York, Michael? If I lived in America, I would visit if I had the chance. I go to Vailankanni here in India often: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Our_Lady_of_Good_Health and http://www.vailankannishrine.net/

To your points, (1) But Our Lady and Our Lord CLEARLY TAUGHT THAT Pope Paul VI died and was buried. The double also died after that. Therefore, the See was Vacant. (2) Pope John Paul I truly became Roman Pontiff, but unfortunately was killed by Communist Enemies. (3) It seemed as if the Catholic Church WAS GOING TO DIE FOREVER, AND WOULD HAVE DIED IF CARDINAL BENELLI (AN INFILTRATOR) ASCENDED TO THE PAPACY. HE CAME SO CLOSE. BUT HEAVEN DEFEATED HIM AND CARDINAL WOTYLA WON INSTEAD.

Regarding your quote, Michael, Have you Forgotten Pope John Paul II was already elected Pope at the time? It was 1979, remember? Heaven defeated Benelli and elected Pope John Paul II from Catholic Poland because in Their Judgment he was the best Cardinal available.

Please read the below with an Open Mind, Dear Michael. These are Historical Facts (about the Infiltrators) Mrs. Veronica Lueken, American Traditional Catholic, could never have known in a natural way, and which the devil would never give away. Therefore, her revelations did not come from man, nor the devil, but only from Lord Jesus and Mother Mary.

""The Deception of the Century"



"I have warned you that there are three popes now in the city of Rome [Villot, Casaroli, and Benelli]. They have, I repeat, brought forth an impostor, while they have laid low Pope Paul VI, your true Father. It is the deception of the century!" - Our Lady of the Roses, October 2, 1975

"How I warned and warned that satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy in Rome. The Third Secret, My child, is that satan would enter into My Son's Church." - Our Lady of the Roses, May 13, 1978

"Satan, Lucifer in human form, entered into Rome in the year 1972. He cut off the rule, the role of the Holy Father, Pope Paul VI."
- Our Lady of the Roses, September 7, 1978

(Note: The real Third Secret, as revealed by Our Lady of the Roses, indicates that satan entered into the highest realms of the hierarchy of the Vatican beginning in the year 1972. The following is yet more evidence of this satanic presence and power operating within the Vatican, and that the principal target for satan's attack is the Pope himself, even to this day).

Paul VI: the Pope of 1972
One of the most startling revelations of Our Lady of the Roses was the message concerning "the deception of the century," in which an actor was substituted for Pope Paul VI in certain public appearances beginning around the year 1975. Sound incredible?  There is an astonishing amount of evidence for this claim: photos, voice prints, testimonials of pilgrims in Rome who witnessed this fact themselves, a reported exorcism in Switzerland, and Our Lady of the Roses apparitions in New York.

Sister Lucy tried to warn Pope Paul VI
On May 13, 1967, after a Mass celebrated in front of the basilica in Fatima, Portugal, Sister Lucy approached Pope Paul VI and requested, "I want to have a private conversation with you." She repeated this request many times. Obviously, Sister Lucy had an important message for him. But Pope Paul VI refused her request and replied, "See, it is not the moment."
      Sister Lucy withdrew. Pope Paul VI got up and turned towards the statue of Our Lady of Fatima, trying to place a silver Rosary between Her hands. As he could not reach them, he deposited the Rosary at the statue's feet.
     The crowd shouted: "Lucia, Lucia, Lucia!" Then Bishop Hnilica led Sister Lucy onto the front of the podium. When the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims saw Sister Lucy near the Pope, they applauded.  But TV reporters and hundreds of cameras recorded a stunning event: Sister Lucy was crying.  Why?

Bayside apparitions: Pope Paul VI was the Pope of Jacinta's vision
Of the three children seers of Fatima, only little Jacinta was privileged with a vision of the Pope mentioned in the Third Secret.  The description of this vision was recorded by Sister Lucy in her Memoirs. The "message of Jacinta" is alluded to in the Bayside apparitions:

"I ask you again to pray for your Holy Father [Pope Paul VI] in Rome.  He is very ill.  He needs many prayers, for he is being crucified by his own.  He is truly the little one in the message of Jacinta.” (Our Lady, June 1, 1978)  Read more on Jacinta's vision...


Jacinta - "Yes, I tried to warn everyone of what was going to happen to the world of the future.  Our Lady said that the little Father in Rome would suffer great persecution, but much of this persecution would come from his very own, those that he trusted.  That is why the picture* was given to you to send the message throughout the world." (Jacinta, June 8, 1974)



Pope Paul VI: "man will destroy him now...."
Jacinta - "I come to tell you of the poor Holy Father. I cried much for him. We love him. But man will destroy him now…. I gave you the picture. I wrote on your picture. I did not know how to write much on earth, but I wrote. Our Father showed me how to write. Won't you give everyone my picture? I want them to remember what I tried to tell them.” (February 1, 1973)

Pope Paul's plea for help
On June 29, 1972, Pope Paul VI stunned the world with the words: "From some fissure the smoke of satan entered into the temple of God." The Bayside message of September 28, 1978 referred to Paul VI's statement: “Listen to your Vicar who stated that the smoke of satan had entered My Church. Did he have pride when he brought this knowledge to you? No! He asked for help. And what did you do? You turned away and widened the door for satan to enter!” (Jesus, September 28, 1978)

Pope Paul's plea went unheeded and he entered into a martyrdom that would endure for years.

"There is great darkness in My Son's House; many have sold their souls to reach the head. Your Vicar will soon join the increasing list of martyrhood."
- Our Lady, July 15, 1972

"And I say unto you: because of your lukewarmness and your loss of faith, you Vicar shall be given in sacrifice for the sins of mankind."
- Jesus, December 31, 1976 

"The enemy has a well-founded plan"
Already in 1971, Our Lady warned that there was a plot against Pope Paul's life: "Your Vicar, your father on earth, will need your consolation. He is much grieved, My children, by the disobedience about him. There are many who are already plotting against his life." (Our Lady, September 14, 1971).  Our Lady's message also mentioned a "well-founded plan" that had been devised against Pope Paul VI: "Continue your prayers and sacrifices for your Vicar. The enemy has a well-founded plan to remove him from the Seat of Peter." (Our Lady, April 1, 1972)
"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

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Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:

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Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass
 

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Continued:

"The impostor pope: "Common knowledge in Rome"
"It is common knowledge now in the city of Rome that there is one who has been impersonating your Vicar, an actor of great talent; one who through surgery has gained the countenance of your Vicar. It is now common knowledge, My children, and now there shall be a game of chess played. There will be bishop against bishop and cardinal against cardinal, for satan has set himself in their midst." (Our Lady, August 14, 1976)

Warnings from Beyond (transcript of a Swiss exorcism)
It’s a  literal text of the revelations made by these demons: Akabor, Allida, Judas Iscariot, Veroba and Beelzebub, during a series of exorcisms’ (from August 14,1975 to March 30,1976). The demons give great detail about the inside dealings with the imposter pope.  Read more...   http://www.tldm.org/News4/WarningsFromBeyond.htm

Comparison of photographs: Pope Paul VI vs. the impostor



Left, above - Pope Paul VI:  Long nose, reaching to the end of the ear lobe.
Right, above - the impostor pope: Nose much shorter in comparison to ear.



Note the prominent birthmark between the eye and ear of the true Pope (on the left, 1973 photo) and conspicuously absent on the impostor (right, 1977 photo). Notice the visible difference in the nose. Pope Paul has a longer, straighter, more pointed nose. The impostor has a shorter and rounder nose.


Left - Pope Paul VI:  Notice complete difference of ear structure with that of the impostor. Due to the tiny bone structure the ear is the hardest thing to change in plastic surgery—this becomes obvious in the two pictures.
Right - the impostor pope:  Notice not only the difference of the ear, but also the shorter nose.



Left - Pope Paul VI: Long straight nose—almost to the end of ear lobe. Ear is full and round.
Right - the impostor pope:  Nose is shorter and rounder—reaching only 3/4 length of ear. Ear is longer and not as wide.

(Note: Some have conjectured that this "actor of great talent" was the stage actor Parr.)



Voice prints (same exact words, different voice signatures):


Photos are only one type of physical evidence to distinguish identity. Other physical evidence includes fingerprints, voice-prints, medical findings, etc. In his Umsturz im Vatikan? (An Overthrow in the Vatican?), Kolberg presents further evidence for the existence of the impostor pope. Voice recordings of the Latin "Urbi et Urbi" speech of "the Pope" were made on two different occasions. The two recordings were passed through a voice-frequency analyzer made by Kay Elemetrics of Pine Brook, New Jersey. The output Type B/65 sonagram voice prints of the same words pronounced by the "the Pope" on two occasions shows that they they were made by two different men.

"My child, your Vicar suffers much; he cries succor, My child. There are many Judases about him.
     "You must understand, My child, the message of some time ago. Yes, it is a fact and a truth that there is another who impersonates him and goes about having photographs taken. And there is a voice that comes out upon your air waves, a very good imitation of your Holy Father. It is all the master deception created by the evil forces that are seeking to destroy your Faith, My child."
- Our Lady, March 18, 1977

Witnesses to the existence of the impostor pope: two testimonies of pilgrims at the Vatican
#1 - Mother and daughter saw both the real Pope Paul VI in 1975, and then his impostor two years later:
"When I told you that I had seen Pope Paul VI at a beatification ceremony in Rome in July 1975, I could not remember the last name of the founder of the Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy of Verone; it was Blessed Charles Steeb. I believe the date of the beatification was July 5th. We were only about 15 feet from him (Pope Paul VI) when he was carried out.
     My daughter, Dorothy, and I saw the impostor pope in May of 1977 when we attended the Wednesday papal audience. She took a picture of him when he stopped about 4 feet from where she was standing...." (R.M.R., November 30, 1989)
"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

Quote from: +ABL
Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:

Quote
Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass
 

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Church exorcism in Switzerland
The following excerpts from a Church exorcism performed from 1975-78 confirm the existence of the impostor pope and several other subjects mentioned in Our Lady of the Roses message. Speaking through the possessed woman, the demons were forced to tell the truth by Our Lady under the Solemn Church exorcism, which was witnessed by the following priests, who have all expressed their convictions of the authenticity of the revelations made by the demons under of the order of the Blessed Virgin Mary:

Abbot Albert L'Arx, Niederbuchorten
Abbot Arnold Elig, Ramiswil
Abbot Ernest Fischer, missionary, Gossau (St. -Gall)
Rev. Father Pius Gervasi, O.S.B., Disentis
Abbot Karl Holdener, Ried
Rev. Father Gregoire Meyer, Trimbach
Rev. Father Robert Rinderere, C.P.P.S., Auw
Abbot Louis Vellard, Cerneux-Pequignot

All eight priests are Swiss, except Father E. Fischer, a German. All participated in the exorcisms except Father G. Meyer was was spiritual director of the possessed woman. Two other French priests also participated in the exorcisms.

Exorcism of January 16, 1976, disclosing the existence of a double of Pope Paul VI, in the Vatican:
Veroba:
"You must say, in the name of God, that there is a double in Rome. He has a face which is a little different from that of the true Pope; his eyes are not so deep-set as the latter's. The true Pope is feeble and sickly. His eyes are blue, those of the false one are green. The false pope has studied theology. He is well organized. He is a good actor. He is not the only guilty one, the others, who set him up, carry the greatest responsibility...."

April 25, 1977
Exorcist: "Is the Pope informed about the cardinals? Has he investigated them? In the name of the most blessed Virgin Mother of God, tell us the truth!"
Beelzebub:  "He went into it a long time ago; he knows everything, everything, but he can do nothing. As we have said, his hands and feet are tied. He can do nothing, he receives injections. The doctor—listen carefully—who treats the Pope, is manipulated in such a way that the Pope receives certain poisons which are harmful to his head and to his mind. But in spite of that, he knows perfectly well what is good."

"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

Quote from: +ABL
Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:

Quote
Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass
 

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The mysterious betrayal of Cardinal Mindszenty




The story surrounding the valiant shepherd, Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary (left in photo), adds another dimension to the usurpation of Pope Paul VI's pontificate. This saintly Cardinal suffered imprisonment and torture in his home country of Hungary, speaking out and trying to defend his flock first from Nazism and then from the ravages of communism. In fact, Cardinal Mindszenty suffered at the hands of the communists tortures lasting 39 consecutive days and nights, consisting of sleep-deprivation and every conceivable outrage. In 1956, as communism tightened its grip on the Church in Hungary, Cardinal Mindszenty was given asylum at the American Embassy in Budapest by President Eisenhower. The Cardinal languished there for fifteen years, unable to leave the building. Communist agents awaited him day and night, to assassinate him should he leave the embassy.

     On September 28, 1971 the world heard that Cardinal Mindszenty had arrived in Rome at the invitation of Pope Paul VI. He was received with real joy and tenderness by Pope Paul. The Holy Father embraced Cardinal Mindszenty and hung his own pectoral cross around his neck. They both concelebrated Mass and the Holy Father spoke of the Cardinal as "a guest we have awaited with longing ... a symbol of unshakeable strength rooted in faith and in selfless devotion to the Church."

     On October 23, 1971 Pope Paul VI again concelebrated Mass with Cardinal Mindszenty.  Pope Paul gave Mindszenty his own cardinal's mantle and told him in Latin, "You are and remain Archbishop of Esztergom and Primate of Hungary. Continue working and if you have difficulties, turn trustfully to us!"

     The Cardinal returned to his pastoral tours around the world. But on February 5, 1974, something unbelievable occurred: he received a letter from the "Pope" declaring the See of Esztergom vacant.  The Vatican announced to the world that Cardinal Mindszenty had "retired." The Vatican had lied to the world in a public statement. In profound sorrow Cardinal Mindszenty had to make clear that he had not abdicated, but had been deposed.  His Memoirs end with the words: "This is how I arrived at complete and total exile."

     The Vatican was flooded with protests and the free world's press attacked the deposition of Cardinal Mindszenty with fury.
      Exactly what did happen? How could Pope Paul VI have betrayed his promise to Cardinal Mindszenty?  Did Pope Paul VI really depose Cardinal Mindszenty on February 5, 1974?  This is extremely unlikely, in light of a message given on August 21, 1974 (the "V" in the quote below represents Cardinal Villot, the Secretariat of State):

"V does much damage to the Holy Father by changing his correspondence. V rewrites his letters. V censors his mail."
- August 21, 1974


"You cannot accept now what comes from Rome, for they do not come, these bulls, and these directions are not written by the pen of Pope Paul VI. They are written by the pen of Benelli and Villot."
- Our Lady, September 27, 1975

Was the letter sent to Cardinal Mindszenty on February 5, 1974 written by Cardinal Villot? Considering Pope Paul VI's tremendous support of Cardinal Mindszenty and his promise in 1971, this explanation would fit with Our Lady of the Roses message, and the real Third Secret.

Pope Paul VI was drugged
We also know that between 1971 (when Pope Paul met with Cardinal Mindszenty in Rome) and 1974, a lot had taken place. In the April 14, 1973 and September 27, 1975 messages, it was revealed that Pope Paul was being drugged:

Veronica - Now I am . . . Our Lady is taking me into a bedroom. Oh! I see sisters—they're nurses—in the bedroom. Oh, and there—I can see him in his bed—is the Holy Father. The nurse now has a needle, and she's rolling up now the sleeve. He has on . . . it looks like a robe, the Holy Father, and she's giving him a needle in his arm. He . . . and he looks very sick. Now the needle was placed into his left arm, into his left arm. Now as the needle is placed into his left arm, Pope Paul is reaching over onto a table near his bed. He's reaching for his crucifix. He's placing it across his chest. (April 14, 1973)


"Medication of evil has dulled the brain of the true Pope, Pope Paul VI. They send into his veins poison, to dull his reasoning and paralyze his legs." (Our Lady, September 27, 1975)

OH MY GOODNESS! How can anyone read all this documented evidence and clear proof imho and not be DEEPLY MOVED AT HOW MOTHER CHURCH HAS BEEN BETRAYED AND HOW THE COMMUNIST INFILTRATORS ARE SO NEAR TRIUMPHING IN ROME.

LET US PRAY DAY AND NIGHT ON OUR KNEES, OFFERING PRAYERS AND SACRIFICES TO JESUS AND MARY, WHATEVER OUR VIEWS.

MAY JESUS AND MARY BLESS US ALL.
"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

Quote from: +ABL
Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:

Quote
Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass
 

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One Final Post, Please Pay Attention Dear Friends, to our Weeping Mother Immaculate Maria, otherwise we will never ever know the Truth.

"It appears that Cardinal Mindszenty's betrayal is one of many mysteries explained by the overthrow of Pope Paul VI's papacy.



"My child, I bring to you a sad truth, one that must be made known to mankind. In doing this, My child, you must proceed without fear. it must be made known to mankind. Our dear beloved Vicar Pope Paul VI, he suffers much at the hands of those he trusts. My child, shout it from the rooftops. He is not able to do his mission. They have laid him low, My child. He is ill, he is very ill. Now there is one who is ruling in his place, an Impostor, created from the minds of the agents of satan. Plastic surgery, My child, the best of surgeons were used to create this Impostor. Shout from the rooftops, he must be exposed and removed. Behind him, My child, there are three who have given themselves to satan. You do not receive the truth in your country and the world. Your Vicar is a prisoner.
     "Antonio Casaroli, you shall condemn yourself to hell! Giovanni Benelli, what road have you taken?  You are on the road to hell and damnation! Villot, leader of evil, take yourself from among those traitors; you are not unknown to the Eternal Father. [Read more...]  You consort with the synagogue of satan. Do you think you shall not pay for the destruction of souls in My Son's House?

(DO YOUR RESEARCH ABOUT THESE THREE MEN, I IMPLORE YOU ALL. Wikipedia is your friend, if you've never heard of them before).

     "The antichrist, the forces of evil have gathered, My children, within the Eternal City. You must make it known to mankind that all that is coming from Rome is coming from darkness. The light has not passed that way. The appearance in public is not Paul VI, it is the Impostor pope. Medication of evil has dulled the brain of the true Pope, Pope Paul VI. The send into his veins poison, to dull his reasoning and paralyze his legs. What evil creature have you opened the doors to the Eternal City and admitted the agents of satan? You plan to remove the Eternal Father from yours hearts and the hearts of those whom you seek to deceive. You scatter the flock."
- Our Lady of the Roses, September 27, 1975

Paul VI died August 6, 1978, at the age of 80.
"And as a holy Pope once told you before he died, he knew that the smoke of satan had entered into Rome and the Vatican. Well did he understand My visit to him, My child. The world has never known how close I was to your Vicar at that time, Pope Paul VI. Yes, My child, he was removed from the earth, also, with his impostor." - Our Lady of the Roses, September 14, 1985

"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

Quote from: +ABL
Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:

Quote
Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass