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Anyone see “Amadeus”?
« on: June 10, 2021, 08:30:06 AM »
Just saw it a second time - thoughts? Message? Historical accuracy? Overrated / should be seen by everyone?
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Re: Anyone see “Amadeus”?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2021, 10:33:46 AM »
Some of it, especially the music was fantastic; the enmity between he and Saliery is exagerated (I was told); also Salieri's explanation to the priest why he hated God (because of his one chance to gain renown, co-operating with Mozart's last musical composition), left the priest at a loss for words; just a cheap shot at the Church.
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Re: Anyone see “Amadeus”?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2021, 11:41:25 PM »
Some of it, especially the music was fantastic;
Well, of course, it is all Mozart. :D

the enmity between he and Saliery is exagerated (I was told);
Yes.  In real life they were friends from what can be gleaned from history.

also Salieri's explanation to the priest why he hated God (because of his one chance to gain renown, co-operating with Mozart's last musical composition), left the priest at a loss for words; just a cheap shot at the Church.
Do you mean that Salieri's hate is a cheap shot at the Church?  I'm not sure what you mean here with that last semi colon.
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Re: Anyone see “Amadeus”?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2021, 08:28:00 AM »
The mental invalid meekly asking for a blessing was my favorite scene. The scene with a daffy M. and the stern Archbishop resonated, too.
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Re: Anyone see “Amadeus”?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2021, 09:58:10 AM »
I found it quite entertaining.
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Re: Anyone see “Amadeus”?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2021, 09:59:26 AM »
Jacob,
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I'm not sure what you mean here with that last semi colon.
I don't have a clue how to use punctuation marks, so I just throw them in to the sentence randomly, like throwing darts at a target; I hope that at least some of them will find the mark.  :laugh:
Yes, I did mean Salieri's hate and the priest's inability to respond.
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Re: Anyone see “Amadeus”?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2021, 12:41:47 PM »
Jacob,
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I'm not sure what you mean here with that last semi colon.
I don't have a clue how to use punctuation marks, so I just throw them in to the sentence randomly, like throwing darts at a target; I hope that at least some of them will find the mark.  :laugh:
Yes, I did mean Salieri's hate and the priest's inability to respond.

It was several years ago I saw the movie, but that was also something that struck me as just a cheap-shot. Amadeus is mad and thinks God conspires against him, and that makes him reject God. Maybe that would be difficult for the priest to answer to, but it's not like Amadeus have beaten the priest - Amadeus's just a sad man that couldn't deal with reality
 
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Re: Anyone see “Amadeus”?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2021, 12:57:32 PM »
It was several years ago I saw the movie, but that was also something that struck me as just a cheap-shot. Amadeus is mad and thinks God conspires against him, and that makes him reject God. Maybe that would be difficult for the priest to answer to, but it's not like Amadeus have beaten the priest - Amadeus's just a sad man that couldn't deal with reality
I think you meant Salieri, not Amadeus.

It has been a while since I saw the movie, but I think I enjoyed it.