Edit again it is authentic
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http://wdtprs.com/blog/2019/06/chief-of-the-vichy-knights-of-malta-forbids-the-extraordinary-form/ (http://wdtprs.com/blog/2019/06/chief-of-the-vichy-knights-of-malta-forbids-the-extraordinary-form/)
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I feel particularly bad for the people who I have known of, or briefly met throughout the years who will be affected by this. I am though relatively unaware out how frequent Mass in common said by Chaplains of the Knights of Malta is though. I noticed it did not say that Knight members are forbidden to go to the traditional rite, but only that official events will not be done in it.
It doesn't affect me personally (no official liturgies of the Order in my area use the old rite), but the fact that such a letter had to be made at all is very... irritating, to say the least. The Knights who most frequently use the old rite for official Order Masses and Vespers et al. are the ones in England. Since the previous Grand Master (the one ousted by Pope Francis) is British, was formerly Grand Prior of England, and so permitted and attended many of these EF liturgies, it seems like a slap in the face.
I just saw this:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Communications Office of the Knights of Malta says this letter purporting to have been written by the Grand Master banning liturgies in the Extraordinary Form is not genuine. <a href="https://t.co/v67LtHlI6i">pic.twitter.com/v67LtHlI6i</a></p>— Edward Pentin (@EdwardPentin) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdwardPentin/status/1138215284924407808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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It appears this is a fake.
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This is so strange.
It is authentic from an hour ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/edwardpentin
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 03:31:23 AM
This is so strange.
It is authentic from an hour ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/edwardpentin
:( I was hoping he was right the first time.
Hopefully this results in a hemorrhaging of membership . It is clear the old structures are corrupt and new ones will eventually need to be created to fill the coming void.
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 03:31:23 AM
This is so strange.
It is authentic from an hour ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/edwardpentin
The original letter looked too authentic to be fake.
The denial was very ambiguous, typical of corporate-speak whenever there is a controversy.
From Knights to nought.
I'll be staying away from any organisation in which somebody call himself "Grand Master".
Quote from: Kreuzritter on June 11, 2019, 09:26:41 AM
I'll be staying away from any organisation in which somebody call himself "Grand Master".
Then you shall be missing out on one of the seminal 1980's early rap groups, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.
Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on June 11, 2019, 04:20:23 AM
Hopefully this results in a hemorrhaging of membership . It is clear the old structures are corrupt and new ones will eventually need to be created to fill the coming void.
I don't think it will. From my dealings with the Knights of Malta it appears that common prayer life is not really a big part of the life of the associate members of the Knights of Malta (which are about 30,000 in the world), they are much more focused on the corporal works of mercy.
We should not imagine that the Knights of Malta are a large group of tough old country European aristocrats, their members seem to be much more a reflective of contemporary Catholicism in America.
(https://orderofmaltaamerican.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Spring-Retreat-3-2018-Group-Photo.jpg)
Picture from a recent retreat of the Knights of Malta
The one kneeling in front wants to speak with the Hospital Cafeteria Manager.
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
(https://orderofmaltaamerican.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Spring-Retreat-3-2018-Group-Photo.jpg)
Picture from a recent retreat of the Knights of Malta
The Turks would call it a treat these days.
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on June 11, 2019, 10:07:48 AM
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
(https://orderofmaltaamerican.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Spring-Retreat-3-2018-Group-Photo.jpg)
Picture from a recent retreat of the Knights of Malta
The Turks would call it a treat these days.
Not enough pre and mid pubescent boys.
Quote from: Kreuzritter on June 11, 2019, 09:26:41 AM
I'll be staying away from any organisation in which somebody call himself "Grand Master".
Too bad. It was Catholics who came up with it.
Quote from: Gardener on June 11, 2019, 10:13:39 AM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on June 11, 2019, 10:07:48 AM
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
(https://orderofmaltaamerican.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Spring-Retreat-3-2018-Group-Photo.jpg)
Picture from a recent retreat of the Knights of Malta
The Turks would call it a treat these days.
Not enough pre and mid pubescent boys.
Yes.
But some of the women could work in the Sultan's kitchens or go to work at the houses of Pashas.
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 09:59:36 AMI don't think it will. From my dealings with the Knights of Malta it appears that common prayer life is not really a big part of the life of the associate members of the Knights of Malta (which are about 30,000 in the world), they are much more focused on the corporal works of mercy.
We should not imagine that the Knights of Malta are a large group of tough old country European aristocrats, their members seem to be much more a reflective of contemporary Catholicism in America.
For what it's worth, I'm the liturgist for the Order of Malta in my area. We probably pray the Liturgy of the Hours in common more than any other lay group in the region.
Quote from: The Harlequin King on June 11, 2019, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 09:59:36 AMI don't think it will. From my dealings with the Knights of Malta it appears that common prayer life is not really a big part of the life of the associate members of the Knights of Malta (which are about 30,000 in the world), they are much more focused on the corporal works of mercy.
We should not imagine that the Knights of Malta are a large group of tough old country European aristocrats, their members seem to be much more a reflective of contemporary Catholicism in America.
For what it's worth, I'm the liturgist for the Order of Malta in my area. We probably pray the Liturgy of the Hours in common more than any other lay group in the region.
And to be fair, their charitable work worldwide is remarkable.
Quote from: The Harlequin King on June 11, 2019, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 09:59:36 AMI don't think it will. From my dealings with the Knights of Malta it appears that common prayer life is not really a big part of the life of the associate members of the Knights of Malta (which are about 30,000 in the world), they are much more focused on the corporal works of mercy.
We should not imagine that the Knights of Malta are a large group of tough old country European aristocrats, their members seem to be much more a reflective of contemporary Catholicism in America.
For what it's worth, I'm the liturgist for the Order of Malta in my area. We probably pray the Liturgy of the Hours in common more than any other lay group in the region.
Could you share some more details for our edification? Is that unique to your group or is that common throughout the association? That seems unique but I have not dealt with any Knights of Malta since moving to WV from California.
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
We should not imagine that the Knights of Malta are a large group of tough old country European aristocrats, their members seem to be much more a reflective of contemporary Catholicism in America.
(https://orderofmaltaamerican.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Spring-Retreat-3-2018-Group-Photo.jpg)
Picture from a recent retreat of the Knights of Malta
Ah, yes, true modern Catholic identity: Women in pants.
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 10:40:43 AM
Could you share some more details for our edification? Is that unique to your group or is that common throughout the association? That seems unique but I have not dealt with any Knights of Malta since moving to WV from California.
In my area, we frequently refer to membership in the Order as a vocation (with a small v). Even in the third class of membership, the commitment to daily prayer of some kind is mentioned all the time. About half a year past, I ordered a bunch of breviaries which were produced by the Canadian Association and distributed them to everyone. I'm not saying we use them as a group all the time, but everyone knows what they are and how to use them. When I went on the Order's pilgrimage to the shrine of Our Lady of Good Help in Wisconsin, we all prayed Compline after dinner every night.
It's true that in the third class, the members are more geared toward corporal works of mercy than liturgy (which is to be expected). But I've worked toward making the liturgy more prominent in our activities, and it's been appreciated by everyone involved.
Quote from: The Harlequin King on June 11, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 10:40:43 AM
Could you share some more details for our edification? Is that unique to your group or is that common throughout the association? That seems unique but I have not dealt with any Knights of Malta since moving to WV from California.
In my area, we frequently refer to membership in the Order as a vocation (with a small v). Even in the third class of membership, the commitment to daily prayer of some kind is mentioned all the time. About half a year past, I ordered a bunch of breviaries which were produced by the Canadian Association and distributed them to everyone. I'm not saying we use them as a group all the time, but everyone knows what they are and how to use them. When I went on the Order's pilgrimage to the shrine of Our Lady of Good Help in Wisconsin, we all prayed Compline after dinner every night.
It's true that in the third class, the members are more geared toward corporal works of mercy than liturgy (which is to be expected). But I've worked toward making the liturgy more prominent in our activities, and it's been appreciated by everyone involved.
I didn't mean anything negative by calling it an association. I write a lot of letters for the Poor Knights and I have to use such terms all the time, yes of course it is a vocation.
That's great, I am really glad to hear you pushing things in that direction. I was once at Priestly Ordination in my habit (in California) and I had a conversation with several of the Knights of Malta, the experience was pleasant but we were mutually surprised during our discussion. I was surprised that they did not say the office, and they were surprised at our demands on our brothers.
But you would agree that there probably is not going to be an exodus over demanding a conformity to the LOH and the NO for official events?
Oh, I wasn't being nitpicky about terms. I just wanted to open with the bit about "vocation" to show that where I am, membership in the Order is not just a club. We take it very seriously.
Quote from: nmoerbeek on June 11, 2019, 12:38:44 PM
But you would agree that there probably is not going to be an exodus over demanding a conformity to the LOH and the NO for official events?
Right. While many Knights and Dames of the Order regularly attend the TLM (including in the habit of the Order, when invited), it's rare for the TLM to be used for an official Order function. I've never personally been to one, been invited to one, or authorized to plan one. The only part of the Order I know of which regularly has TLM's (or TL Vespers, etc.) would be the Grand Priory of England. The previous Grand Master, Fra Matthew Festing, was formerly the Grand Prior of England before he was GM, so he must have endorsed these and regularly attended them himself.
So, my reading of the new GM's order is that this is a "flex" of the Bergoglian faction against the faction represented by Fra Matthew (and Cardinal Burke). Furthermore, the GM before Festing, Fra Andrew Bertie, who is a "servant of God" on the path of canonization, was also from the Grand Priory of England.