DPRK versus USA - Coming Death Struggle

[Jacob]

Well it seems the threats from North Korea  have tapered off a bit. No doubt Kim Jong Goofball has listened to his leaders,    that any hit on US would be disastrous for their  Korean Country in terms of retaliation.

Now the left wingers have   made such an idea,   President Trumps assertive warnings,  as being not true, uhhhh naturally.  North Korean Kim Jong On said tests were  paused due to climate change, excessive nimbus-stratus clouds, hi humidity, movement of polar bears and cubs on shrinking ice floes, flocks of Korean Geese migrating from North Korea to Palestine and the loss of tons of Kimshi to mealy bugs.  Again, the hesitancy on North Korean aggressive behavior is not due to President's Trumps tough rhetoric......aha, ha,ha.

Oremus.

Are you aware of the relationship between Nork saber rattling and Sino-American trade negotiations?

[Habitual_Ritual]

It's almost like NK is a US controlled cats-paw in the region

[red solo cup]

Hot off the press from ZH:

First thing this morning we reported that according to a 500-page report by the Japanese Defense Ministry, North Korea may now be in possession of a miniature nuclear warhead. That said, the report did not move the market because the Japanese report was largely inconclusive and did not claim with certainty that this is the case.

Now, moments ago, the exact same narrative escalated when the WaPo echoed what Japan said, only it now "confirms" that North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles, "crossing a key threshold on the path to becoming a full-fledged nuclear power, U.S. intelligence officials have concluded in a confidential assessment."

As the WaPo adds, the analysis completed last month by the Defense Intelligence Agency comes on the heels of another intelligence assessment that sharply raises the official estimate for the total number of bombs in the communist country's atomic arsenal.

"The IC [intelligence community] assesses North Korea has produced nuclear weapons for ballistic missile delivery, to include delivery by ICBM-class missiles," the assessment states, in an excerpt read to The Washington Post. The assessment's broad conclusions were verified by two U.S. officials familiar with the document. It is not yet known whether the reclusive regime has successfully tested the smaller design, although North Korean officially last year claimed to have done so.

In any case, the U.S. calculated last month that up to 60 nuclear weapons are now controlled by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Some independent experts believe the number of bombs is much smaller.

I don't believe DPRK could develop it's ICBMs and nuclear weapons this fast over the past few years without outside help. Dare we say China or Russia? Are they using DPRK as a surrogate to destroy the US? Stranger things have happened in this world.

Sleep tight America.

[Greg]

Sounds like Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

I don't believe that North Korea has a single nuclear weapon that they are capable of mounting on a rocket and having it explode.  That requires a great deal of expertise due to the forces, temperatures and pressures such a device is exposed to.

The worst outcome for them would be to fire a dud nuke and have it land somewhere with a thump.  Under those circumstances the gloves are off and they'd get carpet bombed by an alliance of nations while the world rejoiced.

[dymphna17]

This looks really interesting; 

N. Korea Executes 5 Senior Officials with Anti-Aircraft Guns: Seoul
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/02/27/n-korea-executes-5-senior-officials-anti-aircraft-guns-seoul.html

lFILE - In this Feb. 3, 2017 file photo, a man watches a public TV screen showing a file image of North Korea's state security minister Kim Won Hong, who had been a close to leader Kim Jong Un, at the Seoul Railway Station in South
Associated Press | 27 Feb 2017
SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea executed five senior security officials with anti-aircraft guns because they made false reports that "enraged" leader Kim Jong Un, South Korea's spy agency said Monday.

The comments by the National Intelligence Service in a private briefing to lawmakers come as Malaysia investigates the poisoning death of Kim's estranged elder half brother, Kim Jong Nam. That investigation is still going on, but South Korea says it believes Kim Jong Un ordered the assassination, which took place Feb. 13 at Kuala Lumpur's airport.

The spy agency told lawmakers that five North Korean officials in the department of recently purged state security chief Kim Won Hong were executed by anti-aircraft guns because of the false reports to Kim, South Korean lawmaker Lee Cheol Woo said. It's not clear what false reports they allegedly made, and the NIS didn't say how it got its information.

South Korean spies have a spotty record when reporting about high-level events in authoritarian, cloistered North Korea.

North Korea fired Kim Won Hong in January, presumably over corruption, abuse of power and torture committed by his agency, Seoul said earlier this month. The fallen minister had been seen as close to Kim Jong Un. North Korea has not publicly said anything about Kim Won Hong or about the alleged executions in his department.

Lee also cited the NIS as saying that Kim Won Hong's dismissal was linked to those false reports, which "enraged" Kim Jong Un when they were discovered.

Since taking power in late 2011, Kim Jong Un has reportedly executed or purged a large number of high-level government officials in what rival Seoul has called a "reign of terror."

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[dolores]

Sounds like Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

I don't believe that North Korea has a single nuclear weapon that they are capable of mounting on a rocket and having it explode.  That requires a great deal of expertise due to the forces, temperatures and pressures such a device is exposed to.

The worst outcome for them would be to fire a dud nuke and have it land somewhere with a thump.  Under those circumstances the gloves are off and they'd get carpet bombed by an alliance of nations while the world rejoiced.

It's not that simple.  While I tend to agree that the North Korean nuclear and long-range missile threats are somewhat overblown, the thousands of pieces of artillery they have pointed at Seoul are not.  While they are not a threat to the US or Europe, they could devastate the South Korean capital.  Would they be stopped eventually?  Sure, but not without thousands (or more) of South Koreans dying first.

[Pacebene83]

Well Jake———

I think the Chinese have a monumental interest in a healthy USA economic state,  .  We owe the Chinese a great deal of money and the USA is one of China's leading trading partners,   also China copys a great deal of our technology and makes millions of tennis shoes for us.   Also N.Korea is next to China and any nuclear bombing in that vicinity would leave possible nuclear fallout   

Does that  answer solve your question?

AMDG

[Pacebene83]

Two reasons   N. Korea & Kim Jong Un (whatever) must consider before "acting out":  their dependency on China and the strong words of President Trump regarding a retaliation.     

AMDG

[Heinrich]

Sounds like Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

I don't believe that North Korea has a single nuclear weapon that they are capable of mounting on a rocket and having it explode.  That requires a great deal of expertise due to the forces, temperatures and pressures such a device is exposed to.

The worst outcome for them would be to fire a dud nuke and have it land somewhere with a thump.  Under those circumstances the gloves are off and they'd get carpet bombed by an alliance of nations while the world rejoiced.

It's not that simple.  While I tend to agree that the North Korean nuclear and long-range missile threats are somewhat overblown, the thousands of pieces of artillery they have pointed at Seoul are not.  While they are not a threat to the US or Europe, they could devastate the South Korean capital.  Would they be stopped eventually?  Sure, but not without thousands (or more) of South Koreans dying first.

Why should a single American soldier lose his life protecting another country? Let them Fight it out. Keep my (probably Future SIL) Safe and my daughter sorry free. Along with the sons of Friends and the (officer) Fathers of my Students.

[Jacob]

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Look deeper.  The Red Chinese have their thumb directly on Kim and the Norks.  It's not coincidental that Kim started firing off missiles around the same time Trump intended to begin efforts under the Trade Act to punish the Red Chinese for their economic shenanigans.

[Pacebene83]

It's not a matter of depth but just listening to news that has mentioned daily that North Korea depends on China for its survival.  With a little bit of knowledge of the conflict, status of North Korea and China, the dependecy is quite obvious.  I think I mentioned that in post 22. 

AMDG

[mikemac]

It wasn't China or Russia, but it is believed that Ukraine, a supposed US ally is behind the success of North Korea's allegedly nuclear-capable ballistic missile program.

NYT Shocking Report: US "Ally" Ukraine Is Source Of North Korean Missile Engines
Aug 15, 2017
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/nyt-shocking-report-us-ally-ukraine-source-north-korean-missile-engines

[Heinrich]

It wasn't China or Russia, but it is believed that Ukraine, a supposed US ally is behind the success of North Korea's allegedly nuclear-capable ballistic missile program.

NYT Shocking Report: US "Ally" Ukraine Is Source Of North Korean Missile Engines
Aug 15, 2017
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/nyt-shocking-report-us-ally-ukraine-source-north-korean-missile-engines

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62utnMFTCI[/yt]

[King Wenceslas]

With NK back in the news.

Here are some interesting comments on ZH:

yomutti2  land_of_the_few Dec 1, 2017 12:52 PM

Engineering analysis of the Cold War standoff showed about 2% chance of accidental nuclear war per year. Even if the Norks could be as emotionally stable and as technically competent as the Soviets, (they can't) we're just not doing that with NK for the next 25 years.


shamus001  MonetaryApostate Dec 1, 2017 11:13 AM

OK. So now they have successfully tested an ICBM and it worked.  With their pomp being slung all over the place "We're ready to utterly destroy the U.S." It would behoove the U.S. (talking war strategy here) to destroy NK quickly before it can mass produce these missiles (which it is in the process of doing right now as we speak)

I respect sovereign rights of a country, but does ANYONE HERE BELIEVE that after decades of sanctions that NK is going to be nice on the playground? does anyone not believe they will be MORE ARROGANT than they previously have been in the past 30 years? What has Japan done to them in the past 30 years? I recall no hostile acts? NO.... NK is just getting started, and "peace" is NOT their objective!

[Acolyte]

North Korea has a long history of failed missile tests. The mainstream media seems to just be mongering for war with North Korea by provoking fear of nuclear attack in the hearts of the American people.

Several failed tests. If North Korea launches an ICBM that would strike the United States, it would not be one they designed nor built.

Imo

Russia and China are still smuggling oil to North Korea. Think about that for a minute.