I remember the event that launched my business. It occurred at 2 a.m. in a construction trailer. I was taking my dinner break with my buddy, who would later be my business partner. We were discussing the fall of society from the lack of religion (he's a conservative prot), divorce, crap education, and daycare. We then asked how we could make the most of it, and came to the conclusion that we needed to go into business for ourselves. The answer was simple: in the future, there would be no competition, and any level of competence would be highly rewarded.
When women started warehousing their kids in strangercare, I always knew it would end badly. I just didn't know exactly how. Now we see it with the first truly strangercare generation. The Millenials. I believe that I am the first one to make this connection between their strange behavior and being abandoned by their mothers.
There is hope in another generation.
The post-milenial generation is is having sex, doing drugs, and failing at school at rates not seen since the 1950s. In many ways, they seem to be anti-milenial generation. Growing up in the post 9/11 world of the recession their a generation that has learned one thing: if you want something, go get it, because no one is going to give it to you. They're also attending churches at rates not seen since the 1950s.
Go talk to someone who is 15 or under and you'll be refreshed at how together they have it all...
...that is if they talk to you. Growing up with a smartphone in their hands they're also a very anti-social generation. They don't want to sneak out to parties. They want to stay in their rooms and experience the virtual world (that's their major flaw as a generation).
Explain this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dUbGWf6zpA
Quote from: james03 on October 06, 2017, 08:36:37 AM
I remember the event that launched my business. It occurred at 2 a.m. in a construction trailer. I was taking my dinner break with my buddy, who would later be my business partner. We were discussing the fall of society from the lack of religion (he's a conservative prot), divorce, crap education, and daycare. We then asked how we could make the most of it, and came to the conclusion that we needed to go into business for ourselves. The answer was simple: in the future, there would be no competition, and any level of competence would be highly rewarded.
When women started warehousing their kids in strangercare, I always knew it would end badly. I just didn't know exactly how. Now we see it with the first truly strangercare generation. The Millenials. I believe that I am the first one to make this connection between their strange behavior and being abandoned by their mothers.
Not the first. But you are in good company James. This has been observed for a long time, just few have had the guts to point it out. These women that warehouse their kids think their quality time makes up for that. No, nothing makes up for the detachment demanded from these kids so mama can have a fulfilling life, separate from their offspring.
Quote from: Greg on October 06, 2017, 11:20:10 AM
Explain this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dUbGWf6zpA
I can only say every generation has had its delusional element. It's just that previously, we weren't expected to take them seriously.
Despite her denial, this is clearly emotional neediness and attention seeking. She not only changed her race, but has done so in a manner that makes her a caricature.
Another of these feel-good "factoids" which enables everyone to evade the real problem, which is father absence.
Yes, there's a small correlation between daycare and some outcome measures at early ages, although the direction of the correlation isn't inverse on everything, and correlation doesn't prove causation.
https://www.nichd.nih.gov/publications/pubs/documents/seccyd_06.pdf
However, it's not nearly a strong enough effect to explain how an entire generation is "messed up", and effects of daycare don't appear to persist longer-term.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2938040/
It's a combination of many things:
Daycare, porn, videogames, bad schooling, lack of religion in the home, bad food, not getting enough recreational exercise, TV, movies, bad parenting, broken homes, drugs.
All those things are contributing factors.
We can't forget the self esteem movement, child focused homes, and blatant indoctrination in the schools. IF ONLY it was SIMPLY a poor quality education instead of outright indoctrination.
QuoteYes, there's a small correlation between daycare and some outcome measures at early ages, although the direction of the correlation isn't inverse on everything, and correlation doesn't prove causation.
Show me in the report where they study whether the boys were masculine? You can't.
The government would consider this effect a feature, and not a problem.
But yes, the missing Dad is a huge problem, no argument. Narrow the study to white intact families and check the result. In fact, I would like to see a study of 2-parent normal families who warehouse their kids. That would eliminate the missing father variable.
Yeah, you would want to only study families that are fairly functional, otherwise. Not families where daycare use is due to divorce, one parent dying, etc.
Daycare is terrible, but sometimes sadly needed for some families. My grandma ended up in foster care (Monday-Friday) as a little girl because her mother died and her father couldn't afford a nanny and there was no daycare in the '20s. He ended up marrying a sociopath (not knowing it) to be able to have hid kids back -- later, he divorced her because she abused his kids. Both kids ended up with certain issues, for life, though my great uncle did better than my grandma did. :(
Quick check showed that only 16% of the kids in the study come from 2-parent families. I know from my daily life kids growing up without a father suffer greatly. I wonder if they "corrected" for that. And what was their control population?
Again, I don't deny that missing a Dad is a huge problem. However these millineal SJWs are white. My guess is that divorce is the second biggest risk factor behind daycare. Then single mother upbringing (due to the demographic).
Millennials
Quote from: james03 on October 06, 2017, 01:22:46 PM
Quick check showed that only 16% of the kids in the study come from 2-parent families. I know from my daily life kids growing up without a father suffer greatly. I wonder if they "corrected" for that. And what was their control population?
Again, I don't deny that missing a Dad is a huge problem. However these millineal SJWs are white. My guess is that divorce is the second biggest risk factor behind daycare. Then single mother upbringing (due to the demographic).
And sometimes dual income families use daycare. I've known families with total incomes of $250k using daycare. Beats me as to why -- I'd at least get a vetted and recommended nanny or au pair, but that's me.
I noticed that the study did not report the MALP(TM) score (Men Acting Like P***ies). At first you think I'm joking, but I'm serious. The people in the study, myself until recently, and Q. make the same mistake. We assume that there are "social problems" in general. For daycare trash, I always assumed they would be violent, etc.... Suppose it is the exact opposite?
In my life I've noticed that the male Millinaels are seriously risk adverse and require group consensus. They are snowflakes. Suppose this study considers this a feature, and not a bug? Suppose you compare a white kids, two parents, warehoused in strangercare against me as the control group. If snowflake behaviour is a feature, and not a bug, you would say warehousing children results in improved performance.
We know the sociopathy of single mother boys. Look at the black community. Suppose the sociopathy is the opposite vice for daycare trash?
For the sake of argument, let us assume that Eric Clanton, the bike lock attacker, was raised by two parents and warehoused as a kid. He would have been considered "normal" or perhaps "exceptional" in the study. His need to be in a collaborative environment would have served him well in the modern school. He ended up with a PhD and was a professor. And yet, underneath he is at war with his testosterone, so he is attracted to LARPing as a revolutionary, since it is relatively low risk. So he joins ANTIFA and eventually escalates (enjoying the alignment with his testosterone).
Now this was a "sake of argument" example, Eric might have been raised by a heroin addicted prostitute. But it illustrates the point I am trying to make. I don't see violence as the main feature of Mellineales. Instead I see MALPs(TM). And that will destroy society.
strangercare...hmm. Well it's often said that strangers are friends you haven't met yet. But let's not pretend that there haven't always been women who felt that they had more important things to do than care for children. Wealthy families have been hiring/enslaving lower class women to do childcare for centuries. Group care is definitely a more modern form of it and it can be bad and it can be good. There were some Reggio-Emilia / Montessori type places we looked at but either could not afford, or they would not take a child with medical issues. When it comes to daycare, you get what you pay for. The places that pay their employees a living wage tend to have a slower employee turnaround and the child has an opportunity to bond with their caregivers. Many working parents feel more comfortable with group care because they feel that there is less of a chance their child will be abused there. It's hard with a nanny or au pair, because there is no one to hold them accountable when you're not around.
I remember the days when we had to use a daycare center for our older son, or as you say, "daycare trash." He was 4 months old and after a long night of interrupted sleep caring for others, my wife would put on her makeup (or as she calls it, "war paint." She'd get us all into the minivan and we'd drop the little guy off at daycare and then she would bring me to "adult medical day care" the "warehouse" for grown ups. It wasn't nearly as bad as it sounded. Every time we got back in the minivan after dropping off our son, my wife would have a good cry. The separation was harder on her than it was for him. In fact, many days he happily went off to climb on the jungle gym or listen to a story, but she always felt incredibly guilty about having to leave our boys in someone else's care.
It was during that time that she became very close to St. Therese and her parents who were not saint at the time, For all we know they may not be saints now, depending on the validity of Francis Church canonizations. St. Zelie ran a business and it seems like it was a pretty active one. She also had to hire a wet nurse because she could not nurse her children and so she had to suffer long periods of isolation from her babies. Many ladies in St. Zelie's time hired these nursemaids to avoid the inconvenience of newborn care, but Zelie's heart was always with her children even if she wasn't physically present with them. I believe some of her children died due to neglect/abuse at the hands of a wet nurse. compared to that, going to a daycare center 8am-6pm isn't so bad. But what do I know, I'm a milllennial :) It's a consolation to me that children can be very resilient. We don't want to intentionally put children into adverse situations, but when adversity happens i'm always in awe of the resilience and "grit" I see in my children.
As for quality time vs quantity, children need both. My mother stayed home with us, but she was normally doing other things besies spending time with u. The dishes, laundry, talking on the phone, most of the day she was occupied by these daily tasks and not occupied with us. And this is not a criticism--these were all things that needed to be done. But how many times a day do children hear "Hold on a second, I'm in the middle of something." We often like to go on and on about young people and their phones but most of us are just as addicted. Children are going to thrive best when they get face time with both of their parents, as well as any other caregiver. You can't give the gift of listening and understanding all the day long but if I had to choose between 30 minutes of 1-1 interaction where you're fully present and available with that child, and 10 hours of "Hold on, I'm sending your Daddy a text messge" I'd choose quality over quantity. Those small amounts of intimacy between parent and child go a long way even if you're working llong hours / supervising 8 other children / or living in a nursing home the rest of the time. Quantity time is great too but we all have to make the most of the time we get. st Louis and st zelie are wonderful examples of this
A woman works 8-5, plus commute, plus dropping off the kid at the warehouse. Comes home and "cooks" something out of a card board box that resembles the card board. She's low energy and resents demands from the sociopath kid. Where's the quality?
I don't believe the hype about the next generation. Someone correct me, but I don't think anyone was interested in studying millenials until we were already college aged.
When I was in high school, I think the majority of my peers were actually fairly conservative. I was a senior in nov 08, a few of us were old enough to cast our first vote. The morning after the election, my poli sci class was pissed. There was no arguing. The whole class was upset about the result. This was a standard diocesan Catholic high school.
EVERYTHING is ruined when these kids go to college.
My 14 year old daughter had to stay late at her grammar school this week, to show it off to new parents. She was teamed up with a 12 year old who claimed she was transgender and a lesbian and wanted to be called "Kevin".
"Well, Mr and Mrs Jones and Susie, that's our science lab, showing you the experiments we have never actually performed. 'Kevin' here will show you our freakonmics classroom, while I go and vomit in the unisex toilet".
I was laughing with another school friend of hers who came back who was also alarmed at the madness of the world. Told them they had better get used to the idea of growing up in a freak show and splitting their personalities to cope with it, or, learn how to cremate the bodies. It was politically incorrect but they both really laughed. It was like going back in time.
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Eh, lots of flaws with that, and I'm not even pro-smartphones for kids.
1) Alcohol. Why is it that Italian and French people are introduced to alcohol at a young age and DON'T develop the issues seen in the US/UK/Eastern Europe? It has to do with the situations around drinking, not the age at which it occurs.
2) I don't think young friendships in the past were generally any stronger than now. A few close friends, a lot of acquaintances. That's no different from what my grandparents described.
3) I don't think most people care about making an impact. I think they care about other people thinking they care. Slactivism, and all that.
4) They've been told they need to do something big -- but most people never will, which is fine. But the snowflakes weren't raised understanding that everyone might not even get 15 min of fame, glory, etc.
I agree on instant gratification. I also think a lot of it is lack of time to play and "be kids." Too much school work, to the point of diminishing returns. Funny thing -- homework in elementary age kids is not proven to make any difference in academic achievement. It doesn't work, but people think it does, and they think the solution is to give MORE. We now have less educated kids spewing out MORE homework. It's nuts, and there's a mental health consequence for it. And I almost don't blame them for getting a quick bit of happy where they can find it. ;)
Quote from: Greg on October 06, 2017, 11:38:07 PM
My 14 year old daughter had to stay late at her grammar school this week, to show it off to new parents. She was teamed up with a 12 year old who claimed she was transgender and a lesbian and wanted to be called "Kevin".
"Well, Mr and Mrs Jones and Susie, that's our science lab, showing you the experiments we have never actually performed. 'Kevin' here will show you our freakonmics classroom, while I go and vomit in the unisex toilet".
I was laughing with another school friend of hers who came back who was also alarmed at the madness of the world. Told them they had better get used to the idea of growing up in a freak show and splitting their personalities to cope with it, or, learn how to cremate the bodies. It was politically incorrect but they both really laughed. It was like going back in time.
Just wait though. 10 years ago I was a junior in high school and we called wimpie boys fags, and everyone used stupid and gay interchangeably. One of the best insults to another male was to allege that he was a homo.
8 years ago gay and fag became curse words and actually being one made you a hero.
Humans naturally can distinguish between the rational and irrational. It's only after they are corrupted do they lose this basic faculty of the intellect. Original Sin notwithstanding, nobody is born THAT depraved.
I wonder how much of this is the result of the Everyone Gets a Trophy mentality. Being rewarded for no reason at all.
Quote from: red solo cup on October 08, 2017, 04:08:49 AM
I wonder how much of this is the result of the Everyone Gets a Trophy mentality. Being rewarded for no reason at all.
Whose generation was it that came up with that, btw? Wasn't the mil's, but the baby boomers.
Quote from: Gardener on October 08, 2017, 06:35:08 AM
Quote from: red solo cup on October 08, 2017, 04:08:49 AM
I wonder how much of this is the result of the Everyone Gets a Trophy mentality. Being rewarded for no reason at all.
Whose generation was it that came up with that, btw? Wasn't the mil's, but the baby boomers.
Your right. I personally caused it and even though I was only twelve at the time I'm also responsible for Vatican II. I'm so ashamed.
Quote from: red solo cup on October 08, 2017, 08:42:03 AM
Quote from: Gardener on October 08, 2017, 06:35:08 AM
Quote from: red solo cup on October 08, 2017, 04:08:49 AM
I wonder how much of this is the result of the Everyone Gets a Trophy mentality. Being rewarded for no reason at all.
Whose generation was it that came up with that, btw? Wasn't the mil's, but the baby boomers.
Your right. I personally caused it and even though I was only twelve at the time I'm also responsible for Vatican II. I'm so ashamed.
This is a rather general thread. Had I meant to individualize blame, I would have.
"...and we would all go down, together..." -- Billy Joel
We had chores as children. Not slavery, but clear up sweepup wash up.
My experience today locally is that only a few children have chores
Most millennials I know (people in their 20s and early 30s) grew up with chores. Often chores as punishment. So often hard work is associated with punishment. My best friend growing up had a cleaning lady, but he still had to help clean for the cleaning lady. I never understood this until we got a cleaning lady
Quote from: Greg on October 08, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
We had chores as children. Not slavery, but clear up sweepup wash up.
My experience today locally is that only a few children have chores
I'm glad my children can be counted among this group.
"The Few, The Proud, The Chore Laden Children"!
Quote from: MundaCorMeum on October 12, 2017, 07:31:57 PM
Quote from: Greg on October 08, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
We had chores as children. Not slavery, but clear up sweepup wash up.
My experience today locally is that only a few children have chores
I'm glad my children can be counted among this group.
"The Few, The Proud, The Chore Laden Children"!
:laugh:
The millenials are somewhat short on development in many ways due to no fault of their one. Starts at 2 months, daycare. 3 years, pre-preschool, 4 preschool, 5-18, the state raises them spending many of the child's waking hours with teachers, and their peers are their family. Most of the peers have the same history. They have little problem going off to college and moving far away. They've spent little time as daddy's sidekick, mom's helper, taking care of younger siblings, learning life skills, so yes, most are short on skills.
I'm a Millennial who went to daycare, and all I have are warm, fuzzy, happy memories of it. It was a little preschool and day care center in Lake County, California that had a Waldorf-like approach. Basically, let kids be kids, going outside every day rain or shine, lots and lots of free play. My teachers were Miss Dawn and Miss Sherry, and I still think about them and pray for them. When I read that the daycare center burned down in the wildfires last year, I organized a toy drive and fundraiser to help them get their facility back in order. I would not do such a thing for a warehouse filled with strangers.
The older generation had their chance to raise us. They always looking for someone or something to blame, whether it's daycare or participation trophies. Anything but blaming themselves--they would rather point the finger at someone else. But like it or not, you can't change the past and you have to suck it up and deal with us, the way your generation raised us. What are you going to do about it now?
For the men, rediscover the masculine, especially certain virtues that appeal especially to the masculine.
For the women, rediscover the feminine, especially certain virtues that appeal to the feminine.
In a word, reject feminism.
Quote from: JubilateDeo on October 13, 2017, 08:56:27 AM
I'm a Millennial who went to daycare, and all I have are warm, fuzzy, happy memories of it. It was a little preschool and day care center in Lake County, California that had a Waldorf-like approach. Basically, let kids be kids, going outside every day rain or shine, lots and lots of free play. My teachers were Miss Dawn and Miss Sherry, and I still think about them and pray for them. When I read that the daycare center burned down in the wildfires last year, I organized a toy drive and fundraiser to help them get their facility back in order. I would not do such a thing for a warehouse filled with strangers.
The older generation had their chance to raise us. They always looking for someone or something to blame, whether it's daycare or participation trophies. Anything but blaming themselves--they would rather point the finger at someone else. But like it or not, you can't change the past and you have to suck it up and deal with us, the way your generation raised us. What are you going to do about it now?
How true. We do look for blame to place. And I AM the older generation. Please forgive my inconsiderate post. I do believe what I said, but obviously, stereotype does nothing to explain the mothers raised in that fashion, who have grown up and went on to be wives and attentive mothers.
As a millennial, I do fit what Carleen wrote. I was/am terribly unprepared for marriage, motherhood, true femininity, and Catholicism. And I did/do lack pretty much all the skills necessary for those things. It's just a fact. Not my fault, but problems can't be fixed if I don't acknowledge them and take responsibility for fixing them. I don't have any warm fuzzies about being in daycare or being raised by the school system. I was teased all the time, and made to feel worthless by many. I remember wishing beyond anything just to have an intact family. I wanted love, attention, and acceptance from loving parents who cared. Now... I'm having to learn as I go. Those are the repurcussions for how I was raised, for better or for worse. It's certainly not my fault that I was raised that way, but I truly believe my Mom did the best she knew how. It wasn't her fault, either. Dad was not able to really be a Dad. That had it's consequences as well (still do, actually). My own particular situation was far less than ideal, but that's how it was. Those are the cards I was dealt. God had His reasons, I'm sure. So now, I try to recognize what the problems are and work to fix them. Living in the past and pointing fingers doesn't really help me, so I stay away from that. Millennials have their issues. Baby Boomers have their issues. As does every other generation on the planet.; So, I am striving as much as possible to do better with my kids. I will absolutely make many, many mistakes (already have), but I won't give up.
Millenials are not the only ones with a less than perfect, or ideal family situation. My father was very emotionally handicapped. Our lives were deeply affected by this. Yes, I am on track, but that required finding a way to be well, to be a loving, devoted mother and spouse. I too made terrible mistakes, but the grace of the sacrament, carried me along as I found my way. Childhood was miserable at times, pleasant less often, but somehow I realized both mom and dad loved us though they had a difficult marriage and stress in our lives was unbearable at times. Throughout history, there are always things that we can point out that appeared to be terrible parenting. Probably true, but bad parenting has been going on forever. Just different crappy trends in ways to be a lousy parent.
Godless parents, godless children.
QuoteFor he that rejecteth wisdom, and discipline, is unhappy: and their hope is vain, and their labours without fruit, and their works unprofitable. Their wives are foolish, and their children wicked. Their offspring is cursed: for happy is the barren: and the undefiled, that hath not known bed in sin: she shall have fruit in the visitation of holy souls. And the eunuch, that hath not wrought iniquity with his hands, nor thought wicked things against God: for the precious gift of faith shall be given to him, and a most acceptable lot in the temple of God. For the fruit of good labours is glorious, and the root of wisdom never faileth.
But the children of adulterers shall not come to perfection, and the seed of the unlawful bed shall be rooted out. And if they live long, they shall be nothing regarded, and their last old age shall be without honour. And if they die quickly, they shall have no hope, nor speech of comfort in the day of trial. For dreadful are the ends of a wicked race.
QuoteRejoice not in ungodly children, if they be multiplied: neither be delighted in them, if the fear of God be not with them. Trust not to their life, and respect not their labours. For better is one that feareth God, than a thousand ungodly children. And it is better to die without children, than to leave ungodly children. By one that is wise a country shall be inhabited, the tribe of the ungodly shall become desolate.
I resent the older generations abusing millennials. We were robbed of our inheritance, now told how entitled we are. We were deprived of any real purpose to live, now told how lazy we are. When will you repent of having abandoned God for sex, drugs, and rock n roll, and stop burdening your children with your sins? You should be in "sackcloth and ashes", but instead only find time to be condescending to the youth you raised. To be honest, I am like MundaCorMeum and have no desire to blame my elders for anything, because I understand that they had their own problems; I'm just sick of their arrogance and condescension, where they ought to have contrition. However, I suspect that "millennial bashing" is a psychological warfare strategy cooked up by the oligarchs to make our generation even more self-loathing and alienated from our elders (see pic below), and to destroy whatever is left of "family values".
Do you know that many young millennials (especially women) spontaneously cut and scar themselves? I feel sorry for my friends in university who are working hard to get a degree and have no idea what to do with it afterwards. They will be called entitled while working for no pay.
(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/1101130520_600.jpg?w=720)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvrmltfMrA
Quote from: John Lamb on October 15, 2017, 04:32:44 AM
I resent the older generations abusing millennials. We were robbed of our inheritance, now told how entitled we are. We were deprived of any real purpose to live, now told how lazy we are. When will you repent of having abandoned God for sex, drugs, and rock n roll, and stop burdening your children with your sins? You should be in "sackcloth and ashes", but instead only find time to be condescending to the youth you raised. To be honest, I am like MundaCorMeum and have no desire to blame my elders for anything, because I understand that they had their own problems; I'm just sick of their arrogance and condescension, where they ought to have contrition. However, I suspect that "millennial bashing" is a psychological warfare strategy cooked up by the oligarchs to make our generation even more self-loathing and alienated from our elders (see pic below), and to destroy whatever is left of "family values".
Do you know that many young millennials (especially women) spontaneously cut and scar themselves? I feel sorry for my friends in university who are working hard to get a degree and have no idea what to do with it afterwards. They will be called entitled while working for no pay.
(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/1101130520_600.jpg?w=720)
Plus there's the reality of competing in the global marketplace. 20 years ago, a gen Xer graduating from college with a BS in computer science was practically guaranteed a job. Now young tech professionals hace to compete with developers in India and China. Sometimes you get what you pay for but it's harder to justify the risk of hiring a 21 year old with no experience who wants 55k when you can pay an experienced person in India what would be considered slave wages here. My brother works in the tech industry and had a really hard time getting a job. He's employed now but it took him awhile.. you're not just competing with all the other new grads in new York but now the third world
QuoteI resent the older generations abusing millennials. We were robbed of our inheritance, now told how entitled we are. We were deprived of any real purpose to live, now told how lazy we are.
I chalk it up to Gen X fear that we are seeing the echo bubble of the baby boomers. Gen X was the most conservative of the recent generations. We built the Trad movement. We had the Trad babies.
If you look in a typical chapel, you'll see very few boomers and children of boomers. You see a lot of Gen X and a lot of kids say 18 and younger.
Anyhow, "abusing" millennials is SJW talk. I don't see a lot of people beating up millennials. Now ridicule is something different. This world needs 10 times the ridicule and shame. As of now it is uncouth to shame people who do stupid things. What inheritance was robbed from Millineals? Social norms and guidance, which are usually communicated by social shame.
Should we shame sluts and single mothers? Or should we celebrate how successful and powerful they are? You-Go-Girl!!! Oh, and go to that government office to pick up your loot.
Quote from: JubilateDeo on October 13, 2017, 08:56:27 AM
I'm a Millennial who went to daycare, and all I have are warm, fuzzy, happy memories of it. It was a little preschool and day care center in Lake County, California that had a Waldorf-like approach. Basically, let kids be kids, going outside every day rain or shine, lots and lots of free play. My teachers were Miss Dawn and Miss Sherry, and I still think about them and pray for them. When I read that the daycare center burned down in the wildfires last year, I organized a toy drive and fundraiser to help them get their facility back in order. I would not do such a thing for a warehouse filled with strangers.
I'm glad you had such a good experience, but you are certainly the exception not the rule.
QuoteThe older generation had their chance to raise us. They always looking for someone or something to blame, whether it's daycare or participation trophies. Anything but blaming themselves--they would rather point the finger at someone else. But like it or not, you can't change the past and you have to suck it up and deal with us, the way your generation raised us. What are you going to do about it now?
I think the real question is what are we, the millennials, going to do about it? Sticking your tongue out at the baby boomers is just another excuse. Generation Z is growing up in a much more complex world than any of us had to deal with.
Quote from: james03 on October 15, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
QuoteI resent the older generations abusing millennials. We were robbed of our inheritance, now told how entitled we are. We were deprived of any real purpose to live, now told how lazy we are.
I chalk it up to Gen X fear that we are seeing the echo bubble of the baby boomers. Gen X was the most conservative of the recent generations. We built the Trad movement. We had the Trad babies.
No. It's the result of the Boomers breaking the social contract and now fearing they are going to be made to pay the price, now that they are aging and becoming dependent on the younger generation. Thus, the younger generation is all "Me Me Me" according to them. But that's mere projection. Every generation (insofar as it is possible) is supposed to make life better for the succeeding one. Except the Boomers. Cause they're special. How dare their children expect of them what every generation in history has expected of its parents?
They're the ones that pushed outsourcing, mass immigration, ran up the debt to obscene levels which WE will have to pay off, caused the real estate and financial collapse which the government (that means US) were forced to bail out, since they refused to enforce anti-trust laws such that no enterprise would ever get "too big to fail", raised college tuition to obscene levels as well, making higher education a racket, and lots of other things. But HEAVEN FORBID the bill be paid partly by reducing Social Security and Medicare. No, we're not going to pay for a $15M hospital bill just so you can (maybe) live for another month, say Gen X and Millenials. HOW DARE YOU???
QuoteAnyhow, "abusing" millennials is SJW talk. I don't see a lot of people beating up millennials. Now ridicule is something different. This world needs 10 times the ridicule and shame. As of now it is uncouth to shame people who do stupid things. What inheritance was robbed from Millineals? Social norms and guidance, which are usually communicated by social shame. Should we shame sluts and single mothers? Or should we celebrate how successful and powerful they are? You-Go-Girl!!! Oh, and go to that government office to pick up your loot.
And here you display the typical Boomer cluelessness. YOUR generation was the one celebrating sexual licentiousness. YOUR generation was the one saying how awful it was that sluts and single mothers would be shamed. And as for the government office, that is funded through the work of MEN and when men get tired of it you continuously bleat about "male irresponsibility". And you want shame and ridicule for doing stupid things? You got it. Your generation has our well-deserved shame and ridicule. Your generation did stupid things. So I'm sure you'll realize shame and ridicule is your well-deserved lot.
QuoteAnd here you display the typical Boomer cluelessness. YOUR generation was the one celebrating sexual licentiousness. YOUR generation was the one saying how awful it was that sluts and single mothers would be shamed. And as for the government office, that is funded through the work of MEN and when men get tired of it you continuously bleat about "male irresponsibility". And you want shame and ridicule for doing stupid things? You got it. Your generation has our well-deserved shame and ridicule. Your generation did stupid things. So I'm sure you'll realize shame and ridicule is your well-deserved lot.
LOL, I'm Gen X. And yes we do dump a lot of shame and ridicule on the Boomers.
Quote from: james03 on October 15, 2017, 03:50:52 PM
QuoteAnd here you display the typical Boomer cluelessness. YOUR generation was the one celebrating sexual licentiousness. YOUR generation was the one saying how awful it was that sluts and single mothers would be shamed. And as for the government office, that is funded through the work of MEN and when men get tired of it you continuously bleat about "male irresponsibility". And you want shame and ridicule for doing stupid things? You got it. Your generation has our well-deserved shame and ridicule. Your generation did stupid things. So I'm sure you'll realize shame and ridicule is your well-deserved lot.
LOL, I'm Gen X. And yes we do dump a lot of shame and ridicule on the Boomers.
Passing the buck here.
I'm a Baby Boomer. I was a teenager during Vatican II and Woodstock. My generation was not the start but we certainly continued the moral decay (and I'm sure that as the years have gone on, it's picked up speed). But you can't pass on what you didn't receive. I blame the Greatest Generation. They did not pass on the Faith and the spirit of sacrifice.
Fairly sure Fr. Ripperger pins it on the so-called Greatest Generation as well. They essentially started the snowball fight on top of the avalanche prone mountain. They failed to pass on and demand the adherence to Tradition (Secular and Religious) that they received.
I know the greatest generation was not so great. They were the ones that hated what women were required to live like by the male run Church. They were the ones who may have complied, but cheered the boomers on as they limited their families and sought after material wealth, and lived like the laws of the church were suggestions to accept, or not. The greatest generation was bitter, used formula instead of nursing, they cheered on their girls being feminist minded, though many did not have the guts to publicly let their attitudes be known publicly. They did not care that their men run church was crumbling, their Mass and traditions were put away and a kinder more inclusive spirit took its place. No, the greatest generation secretly hated the authority of the Church, and many resented their large families and their necessary sacrifice, imposed sacrifice, and life of being slaves to those large families.
The boomers took their cue and threw off all authority which their parents hated and were bound by. This truly ushered in what we have now. Of course I'm speaking in general terms. You and I know exceptions to this. But that's what those that upheld the truth were, exceptions, a mere remnant. A remnant we owe the saving of our traditions and our liturgy. Just a mere remnant.
The horrors of WWII cut a lot of them loose from their moorings, spiritual and otherwise. Then the GI Bill gave them a chance to be exposed to nihilism and liberal claptrap in the form of a college education.
But, does any of this explain millenials? Think about it. Really isn't it just a merry go round. I mean, our fallen nature brings us round and round in our stubborn refusal to accept God's authority. There is nothing new under the sun. No matter the behavior going on, the attitudes behind our behaviors have been seen seen before. The industrial and technical revolution just allows different tools to facilitate the same behaviors.
Quote from: Carleendiane on October 15, 2017, 06:28:24 PM
But, does any of this explain millenials? Think about it. Really isn't it just a merry go round. I mean, our fallen nature brings us round and round in our stubborn refusal to accept God's authority. There is nothing new under the sun. No matter the behavior going on, the attitudes behind our behaviors have been seen seen before. The industrial and technical revolution just allows different tools to facilitate the same behaviors.
Yes, it does. Because one can trace the behaviors of each successive generation in a pattern of learned behaviors which are exacerbated by the normalization of deviance.
That the constant is fallen human nature does not change the succession of deviance and its effects from generation to generation, until there is a reset process.
QuotePassing the buck here.
I'm a Baby Boomer.
We speak in generalizations. Two of my best friends are boomers. One was a Force Recon Marine that chased the Vietcong around in the jungle and another was at the Khe Sahn seige. Good guys. Same with Millennials. There's some hard working ones out there.
But in general, they are the Daycare Generation.
Quote from: james03 on October 15, 2017, 07:33:56 PM
QuotePassing the buck here.
I'm a Baby Boomer.
We speak in generalizations. Two of my best friends are boomers. One was a Force Recon Marine that chased the Vietcong around in the jungle and another was at the Khe Sahn seige. Good guys. Same with Millennials. There's some hard working ones out there.
But in general, they are the Daycare Generation.
Yes, we do speak in generalitizations. All generalizations WILL offend some caught up in these, but do not fit the generalization. Being a boomer myself, born in 58, and not truly fitting the profile for the boomer, I realize that there are no generalizations that fit everyone. My mother, though kind, feminine, and loved having each of her 8 children, serving us and whatnot, found New Church so much more acceptable than old church. She was never confirmed, and not properly catechised. So she did not have the formation or tools many women did have. Still the attitudes of the times infected this naturally virtuous woman. It was almost inevitable. Her infection, could not help but spread to me. It was up to me, when I found tradition, by the grace of God,to stop this progression. To see it did not infect my children. Which, it did not. Again, by the grace of God. But my mother's generation, did grave harm to the trust once possible in the magisterial teaching of the Church. That generation gave us the belief that everything was up for debate. Everything of solid Catholic teaching was not so very solid, and that we could make our own choices, according to our own wills, and God would accept them as long as we did not forget Him in our chosen lifestyles.
Quote from: Gardener on October 15, 2017, 05:13:09 PM
Fairly sure Fr. Ripperger pins it on the so-called Greatest Generation as well. They essentially started the snowball fight on top of the avalanche prone mountain. They failed to pass on and demand the adherence to Tradition (Secular and Religious) that they received.
I remember Fr. Ripperger had also talked about the Lost Generation that even before had failed to teach the Greatest Generation how to bear suffering and its value.
https://youtu.be/27dWrv_jM64
Quote from: james03 on October 15, 2017, 07:33:56 PM
QuotePassing the buck here.
I'm a Baby Boomer.
We speak in generalizations. Two of my best friends are boomers. One was a Force Recon Marine that chased the Vietcong around in the jungle and another was at the Khe Sahn seige. Good guys. Same with Millennials. There's some hard working ones out there.
But in general, they are the Daycare Generation.
I understand... I graduated from high school in 1973, when babies became truly disposable. But abortions happened long before that. Frank Sinatra's mother performed abortions.
And yes, I put my daughter in daycare. I realized, too late, that that wasn't a good thing (although I was very pleased with the type of daycare that we had) but my husband and I were tied into needing 2 incomes so I continued working.
The Boomer according to God:
QuoteAnd Isaias said to Ezechias: Hear the word of the Lord of hosts. Behold the days shall come, that all that is in thy house, and that thy fathers have laid up in store until this day, shall be carried away into Babylon: there shall not any thing be left, saith the Lord. And of thy children, that shall issue from thee, whom thou shalt beget, they shall take away, and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon. And Ezechias said to Isaias: The word of the Lord, which he hath spoken, is good. And he said: Only let peace and truth be in my days.
Quote from: red solo cup on October 08, 2017, 08:42:03 AM
Quote from: Gardener on October 08, 2017, 06:35:08 AM
Quote from: red solo cup on October 08, 2017, 04:08:49 AM
I wonder how much of this is the result of the Everyone Gets a Trophy mentality. Being rewarded for no reason at all.
Whose generation was it that came up with that, btw? Wasn't the mil's, but the baby boomers.
Your right. I personally caused it and even though I was only twelve at the time I'm also responsible for Vatican II. I'm so ashamed.
Millenials are the sensitive ones tho, amirite?! :lol:
Quote from: Quaremerepulisti on October 15, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: james03 on October 15, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
QuoteI resent the older generations abusing millennials. We were robbed of our inheritance, now told how entitled we are. We were deprived of any real purpose to live, now told how lazy we are.
I chalk it up to Gen X fear that we are seeing the echo bubble of the baby boomers. Gen X was the most conservative of the recent generations. We built the Trad movement. We had the Trad babies.
No. It's the result of the Boomers breaking the social contract and now fearing they are going to be made to pay the price, now that they are aging and becoming dependent on the younger generation. Thus, the younger generation is all "Me Me Me" according to them. But that's mere projection. Every generation (insofar as it is possible) is supposed to make life better for the succeeding one. Except the Boomers. Cause they're special. How dare their children expect of them what every generation in history has expected of its parents?
They're the ones that pushed outsourcing, mass immigration, ran up the debt to obscene levels which WE will have to pay off, caused the real estate and financial collapse which the government (that means US) were forced to bail out, since they refused to enforce anti-trust laws such that no enterprise would ever get "too big to fail", raised college tuition to obscene levels as well, making higher education a racket, and lots of other things. But HEAVEN FORBID the bill be paid partly by reducing Social Security and Medicare. No, we're not going to pay for a $15M hospital bill just so you can (maybe) live for another month, say Gen X and Millenials. HOW DARE YOU???
This is a great post.
And, it's so very true. Boomers will go to their death pissing away as much money as they can, because it is, and always has been, about themselves.
Quote from: Kephapaulos on October 15, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
Quote from: Gardener on October 15, 2017, 05:13:09 PM
Fairly sure Fr. Ripperger pins it on the so-called Greatest Generation as well. They essentially started the snowball fight on top of the avalanche prone mountain. They failed to pass on and demand the adherence to Tradition (Secular and Religious) that they received.
I remember Fr. Ripperger had also talked about the Lost Generation that even before had failed to teach the Greatest Generation how to bear suffering and its value.
https://youtu.be/27dWrv_jM64
The suicide of Europe destroyed Western Civilization, and we're still living in the midst of it.
Quote from: Kaesekopf on November 01, 2017, 09:04:25 AM
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Quote from: james03 on October 15, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
QuoteI resent the older generations abusing millennials. We were robbed of our inheritance, now told how entitled we are. We were deprived of any real purpose to live, now told how lazy we are.
I chalk it up to Gen X fear that we are seeing the echo bubble of the baby boomers. Gen X was the most conservative of the recent generations. We built the Trad movement. We had the Trad babies.
No. It's the result of the Boomers breaking the social contract and now fearing they are going to be made to pay the price, now that they are aging and becoming dependent on the younger generation. Thus, the younger generation is all "Me Me Me" according to them. But that's mere projection. Every generation (insofar as it is possible) is supposed to make life better for the succeeding one. Except the Boomers. Cause they're special. How dare their children expect of them what every generation in history has expected of its parents?
They're the ones that pushed outsourcing, mass immigration, ran up the debt to obscene levels which WE will have to pay off, caused the real estate and financial collapse which the government (that means US) were forced to bail out, since they refused to enforce anti-trust laws such that no enterprise would ever get "too big to fail", raised college tuition to obscene levels as well, making higher education a racket, and lots of other things. But HEAVEN FORBID the bill be paid partly by reducing Social Security and Medicare. No, we're not going to pay for a $15M hospital bill just so you can (maybe) live for another month, say Gen X and Millenials. HOW DARE YOU???
This is a great post.
And, it's so very true. Boomers will go to their death pissing away as much money as they can, because it is, and always has been, about themselves.
I didn't vote for any of Ted Kennedy's stupid ideas. I didn't vote to outsource, it hurt my job chances more than it helped as I work in IT. I wanted, when I was in my 50's for Bush 43 to work on reforming SS. It went nowhere. By the way, I've contributed to SS for over 40 years and when I was self-employed, I paid for both the employee's and the employer's share. I hope to be able to retire when I'm 70 (although it's not looking good) and hopefully, I'll just live 5 or so years after retirement. I'll pay taxes on my SS income too. There! Are you happy?
Quote from: Lynne on November 01, 2017, 10:16:53 AM
I didn't vote for any of Ted Kennedy's stupid ideas. I didn't vote to outsource, it hurt my job chances more than it helped as I work in IT. I wanted, when I was in my 50's for Bush 43 to work on reforming SS. It went nowhere. By the way, I've contributed to SS for over 40 years and when I was self-employed, I paid for both the employee's and the employer's share. I hope to be able to retire when I'm 70 (although it's not looking good) and hopefully, I'll just live 5 or so years after retirement. I'll pay taxes on my SS income too. There! Are you happy?
Nope.
:lol:
Quote from: Kaesekopf on November 01, 2017, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: Lynne on November 01, 2017, 10:16:53 AM
I didn't vote for any of Ted Kennedy's stupid ideas. I didn't vote to outsource, it hurt my job chances more than it helped as I work in IT. I wanted, when I was in my 50's for Bush 43 to work on reforming SS. It went nowhere. By the way, I've contributed to SS for over 40 years and when I was self-employed, I paid for both the employee's and the employer's share. I hope to be able to retire when I'm 70 (although it's not looking good) and hopefully, I'll just live 5 or so years after retirement. I'll pay taxes on my SS income too. There! Are you happy?
Nope.
:lol:
What are you doing about SS? Are you writing to your Rep and Senator about it?
It's easy to blame others.
Quote from: Lynne on November 01, 2017, 11:17:24 AM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on November 01, 2017, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: Lynne on November 01, 2017, 10:16:53 AM
I didn't vote for any of Ted Kennedy's stupid ideas. I didn't vote to outsource, it hurt my job chances more than it helped as I work in IT. I wanted, when I was in my 50's for Bush 43 to work on reforming SS. It went nowhere. By the way, I've contributed to SS for over 40 years and when I was self-employed, I paid for both the employee's and the employer's share. I hope to be able to retire when I'm 70 (although it's not looking good) and hopefully, I'll just live 5 or so years after retirement. I'll pay taxes on my SS income too. There! Are you happy?
Nope.
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What are you doing about SS? Are you writing to your Rep and Senator about it?
It's easy to blame others.
Seeing it as the 12 percent tax on myself that it is and never expecting anything for it.
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Quote from: Carleendiane on October 15, 2017, 05:54:00 PM
I know the greatest generation was not so great. They were the ones that hated what women were required to live like by the male run Church. They were the ones who may have complied, but cheered the boomers on as they limited their families and sought after material wealth, and lived like the laws of the church were suggestions to accept, or not. The greatest generation was bitter, used formula instead of nursing, they cheered on their girls being feminist minded, though many did not have the guts to publicly let their attitudes be known publicly. They did not care that their men run church was crumbling, their Mass and traditions were put away and a kinder more inclusive spirit took its place. No, the greatest generation secretly hated the authority of the Church, and many resented their large families and their necessary sacrifice, imposed sacrifice, and life of being slaves to those large families.
The boomers took their cue and threw off all authority which their parents hated and were bound by. This truly ushered in what we have now. Of course I'm speaking in general terms. You and I know exceptions to this. But that's what those that upheld the truth were, exceptions, a mere remnant. A remnant we owe the saving of our traditions and our liturgy. Just a mere remnant.
Mostly agree (though as many know, I have no issue with formula). Boomers were the product of very messed up times. Their ages at the time when the NO came out range from early 20s to below school age -- none were old enough to cause it. Their faith and traditions were robbed from them, in many cases during their formative years.
But I won't throw it all on the Greatest Generation, either. The lawlessness of the '20s came before that. And the moral bankruptcy of Georgian England, the crooked Borgia popes, and all the rest. Almost like people have a fallen and sinful nature, no? ;)
Quote from: Lynne on November 01, 2017, 10:16:53 AM
By the way, I've contributed to SS for over 40 years and when I was self-employed, I paid for both the employee's and the employer's share.
That 6.2% that employers paid that you had to pay is deductible.
QuoteThere are two income tax deductions that reduce your taxes. First, your net earnings from self-employment are reducedby half the amount of your total Social Security tax. This is similar to the way employees are treated under the tax laws, because the employer's share of the Social Security tax is not considered wages to the employee.
Second, you can deduct half of your Social Security tax on IRS Form 1040. But the deduction must be taken from your gross income in determining your adjusted gross income. It cannot be an itemized deduction and must not be listed on your Schedule C.]
https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf (https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf)
So you can't say you paid more.
Quote from: Stu Cool on November 01, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: Lynne on November 01, 2017, 10:16:53 AM
By the way, I've contributed to SS for over 40 years and when I was self-employed, I paid for both the employee's and the employer's share.
That 6.2% that employers paid that you had to pay is deductible.
QuoteThere are two income tax deductions that reduce your taxes. First, your net earnings from self-employment are reducedby half the amount of your total Social Security tax. This is similar to the way employees are treated under the tax laws, because the employer's share of the Social Security tax is not considered wages to the employee.
Second, you can deduct half of your Social Security tax on IRS Form 1040. But the deduction must be taken from your gross income in determining your adjusted gross income. It cannot be an itemized deduction and must not be listed on your Schedule C.]
https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf (https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf)
So you can't say you paid more.
Deductibles aren't tax credits. They are subtracted from income so they don't get taxed but a company still has to hand over that 6.2% to the government. It's not given back in the form of a tax credit.
Quote from: Akavit on November 01, 2017, 07:03:13 PM
Deductibles aren't tax credits. They are subtracted from income so they don't get taxed but a company still has to hand over that 6.2% to the government. It's not given back in the form of a tax credit.
Right. So my income taxes are based on my income minus the 6.2% I paid on SS. So for a self-employed person, they get to deduct the 12.4%. It's not like self-employed are penalized for having to pay the 6.2% employer share since they get to deduct that extra 6.2%.
6.2% of $1,000 = $62. Assume a person is in the 20% income tax bracket so they deduct $62 from their total income and save $12.40 more on income tax than the person that didn't have to pay the self-employment rate. So the self-employed person still paid $49.60 more than the employed person.
Of course in reality, the employed people essentially pay a 12.4% tax anyway. When employers calculate how much to offer in wages, the calculation is based upon the total cost of payroll (social security, medicare, state and federal unemployment plus workman's comp). Then the employer works backwards to determine what hourly wage is affordable.