This actually quite Charming (she totally reminds me of my Daughter) and accurately well explained in a clunky but sincere way. I think this a good Job..
and fun to watch....low budget cred
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zurm-jcVU[/yt]
I posted this young lady's other video on the TLM!
I'll have to sit down and watch this. I've only ever been to one DL, in Kiev.
In kiev! It mustve been awsome!
would wife / 10
Quote from: Basilios on December 24, 2013, 09:04:06 AM
would wife / 10
Now now lets not take this thread a different direction...lol
I only watched the first few minutes, but I'm very impressed. Thanks for this.
Sorry I apologize. Didn't mean to derail with my inane drivel.
Quote from: Basilios on December 25, 2013, 04:09:25 PM
Sorry I apologize. Didn't mean to derail with my inane drivel.
Don't apologise; it's hard being a single Catholic!
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on December 24, 2013, 08:58:43 AM
In kiev! It mustve been awsome!
It was very nice, and in a side chapel (the new cathedral on the river was still under construction). Getting lost also had us show up late. :(
Quote from: vakarian on December 25, 2013, 04:14:52 PM
Don't apologise; it's hard being a single Catholic!
It's cruise control for cool.
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on December 23, 2013, 08:39:08 PM
This actually quite Charming (she totally reminds me of my Daughter) and accurately well explained in a clunky but sincere way. I think this a good Job..
and fun to watch....low budget cred
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zurm-jcVU[/yt]
Information on the Eastern Rite is surprisingly hard to find. when I was still going to the FSSP parish, I had developed an interest in Eastern Catholicism, especially with a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in town. However, Google was not my friend that time.
Well as an eastern riter this vid is perfectly charming easy crib note intro. Very solid.
Is the Hungarian or Greek Divine Liturgy exactly the same (except for the language)?
Quote from: per_passionem_eius on December 29, 2013, 01:17:37 PM
Is the Hungarian or Greek Divine Liturgy exactly the same (except for the language)?
I doubt it (but I actually dont know for sure). The ukrainian and ruthenian Byzantine DLs have wording variations . But nothing in its essentials.
Did she say the daily gospel readings are the same in every rite? I didn't think they were the same even in the '2' Roman rites. I know the calendars aren't the same; could that be why they seem different?
Quote from: per_passionem_eius on December 29, 2013, 01:48:51 PM
Did she say the daily gospel readings are the same in every rite? I didn't think they were the same even in the '2' Roman rites. I know the calendars aren't the same; could that be why they seem different?
I think shes correct we have the same calendar in the east...not with the west (although the uniates share the Holy days)
Quote from: per_passionem_eius on December 29, 2013, 01:17:37 PM
Is the Hungarian or Greek Divine Liturgy exactly the same (except for the language)?
The services were translated into Hungarian from Church Slavonic in the early 20th century, and they are exactly the same as the services celebrated in Church Slavonic by the Carpatho-Rusyns who lived in the Kingdom of Hungary at the time. The Greeks do things slightly differently, but the essentials are the same. For instance, the Greeks and the Slavs both tend to abbreviate the Antiphons, but they do it in different ways. The Byzantine Liturgy is kind of like the Latin Mass before Trent. There are minor variations between countries, between dioceses, between villages, and even between parishes.
Hi everyone! I am happy to see such acceptance of this video and it's complicated/delicate topic (as in it is hard to please everyone with a video on this subject). I did have to correct myself on a few things like the readings and also when i foolishly thought "orthodox christians" in the prayer meant the orthodox church of the east... when it really meant the dictionary definition of orthodox..an orthodox christian.. hahaha. nevertheless, thank you! I enjoy reading through this forum now and then!
Are you the young lady who made the video?
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 01, 2014, 11:48:15 PM
Are you the young lady who made the video?
Yes :) nice to meet you. Thank you for sharing it with the people here. My youtube account is RebornPureAdmin. It is called this because my name is Renee Catherine, which translates to 'Reborn' 'Pure'. I saw that i reminded you of your daughter. That really made me smile :)
Quote from: RebornPure on February 02, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 01, 2014, 11:48:15 PM
Are you the young lady who made the video?
Yes :) nice to meet you. Thank you for sharing it with the people here. My youtube account is RebornPureAdmin. It is called this because my name is Renee Catherine, which translates to 'Reborn' 'Pure'. I saw that i reminded you of your daughter. That really made me smile :)
Welcome to the forum!
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Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 01, 2014, 11:48:15 PM
Are you the young lady who made the video?
Yes :) nice to meet you. Thank you for sharing it with the people here. My youtube account is RebornPureAdmin. It is called this because my name is Renee Catherine, which translates to 'Reborn' 'Pure'. I saw that i reminded you of your daughter. That really made me smile :)
Well I am cradle Byzantine Ruthenian and Cantor (in training but almost there) and a Ukrainian Cantor as well. I want you to know you did a very charming and very accurate Job...I was most impressed. Are you eastern rite? Also I noticed the blue book you were singing from in the video is actually the same one I use at the Ukrainian Church as Cantor there. But the Ukrainian and Ruthenian (byzantines) Music and Liturgy have some differences.
Quote from: Parresia on February 02, 2014, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: RebornPure on February 02, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 01, 2014, 11:48:15 PM
Are you the young lady who made the video?
Yes :) nice to meet you. Thank you for sharing it with the people here. My youtube account is RebornPureAdmin. It is called this because my name is Renee Catherine, which translates to 'Reborn' 'Pure'. I saw that i reminded you of your daughter. That really made me smile :)
Welcome to the forum!
Thank you!!
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 02, 2014, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: RebornPure on February 02, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 01, 2014, 11:48:15 PM
Are you the young lady who made the video?
Yes :) nice to meet you. Thank you for sharing it with the people here. My youtube account is RebornPureAdmin. It is called this because my name is Renee Catherine, which translates to 'Reborn' 'Pure'. I saw that i reminded you of your daughter. That really made me smile :)
Well I am cradle Byzantine Ruthenian and Cantor (in training but almost there) and a Ukrainian Cantor as well. I want you to know you did a very charming and very accurate Job...I was most impressed. Are you eastern rite? Also I noticed the blue book you were singing from in the video is actually the same one I use at the Ukrainian Church as Cantor there. But the Ukrainian and Ruthenian (byzantines) Music and Liturgy have some differences.
Yes i am cradle Byzantine Ukrainian. God bless you for being i assume a very needed cantor for those parishes! There are definitely musical differences between the Ukrainian and the Ruthenian. That is neat you knew first hand the book i was using!
I would love to go to a Divine Liturgy, especially a Constantinoploean-style Greek one.
Too bad about this whole Schism and irrational hatred of all things Latin,
Do Ukrainian Churches in the US ever use Slavonic in the Liturgy?
Quote from: dueSicilie on February 02, 2014, 02:39:16 PM
I would love to go to a Divine Liturgy, especially a Constantinoploean-style Greek one.
Too bad about this whole Schism and irrational hatred of all things Latin,
Do Ukrainian Churches in the US ever use Slavonic in the Liturgy?
Yes..but some are exclusively Ukrainian.....(remember the Jewish Communists nearly wiped out their nation in the holomador).and the Ukrainians are the Most Roman Catholic Friendly
Quote from: dueSicilie on February 02, 2014, 02:39:16 PM
I would love to go to a Divine Liturgy, especially a Constantinoploean-style Greek one.
Too bad about this whole Schism and irrational hatred of all things Latin,
Do Ukrainian Churches in the US ever use Slavonic in the Liturgy?
I've attended Divine Liturgies was all sort of language thrown in there. For feasts, the priest at the local Ruthenian parish would use Greek and Church Slavonic in addition to English for a lot of the prayers - luckily Easterners are used to lots of repetition already. ;)
I was at a local OCA parish for the Dormition of the Theotokos this past year (the parish's patronal feast) and I think the priest used just about every Eastern European/Eastern European language there is. Talk about a long Liturgy! And they don't have pews. ;)
Yeah the nuts that remove the pews in the name of so called tradition.(dubious)..are about dividing the church not unifying it...about trying to keep ethnic connections alive over the sacraments.
What makes antipew people nuts? They are a protestant innovation, no? So why clutter the church with them?
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Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
What makes antipew people nuts? They are a protestant innovation, no? So why clutter the church with them?
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Um sarcasm?
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 01:13:35 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
What makes antipew people nuts? They are a protestant innovation, no? So why clutter the church with them?
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Um sarcasm?
Nope
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It's because they want you to stand for the sake of trying to be as little like those rascally barbarian frankish latins as possible
Since when are pews for the faithful considered a protty innovation.
all I want to do is sit my white a** down. The working man rests on Sundays.
Why does it have to be that the pews were removed? What if they were never there in the first place? The only Orthodox churches in this area that I've been to that have pews were previously Protestant churches. The home-grown groups that got their own space for the Divine Liturgy never had any pews. One has a few folding chairs in the back that everyone lets the older ladies have and the other has a few seats along both side walls, with a little bench in the back, but no pews.
The local Ruthenian parish has pews, which were taken from a local NO parish when new ones were purchased for the parish, but the original pews were there when the Mennonite group that sold the building to the Ruthenian parish decide to move on and sell the church.
I don't see how pews can be considered sinful or any such mess, but they are certainly a Protestant innovation. I would love to see proof of pews covering the church floor in a church that is, say 1000-1500 years old. While I don't see why a priest (and it should be the clergy's choice, ultimately, though seating should always be available for those who truly need it) can't decide whether or not to have pews in his parish, not having pews is definitely more traditional, regardless of rite.
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
That is not at all analogous to pews. Wooden benches far predate the Earthly Ministry of Christ, air conditioning doesn't.
If you wish to assert pews were not a Protestant innovation, please provide your evidence of pews being used in churches prior to the invention of Protestantism. I know of no such proof.
Like I said, though, I'm not asserting pews are in any way not allowable. I would prefer the clergy make the decision of their installation, but I wouldn't argue with a priest one way or the other about the subject. I can have a perfectly fine worship experience with or without pews and cannot say pews or the lack therefore has ever made or broken my participation in any religious rites in any parish.
Quote from: 3Sanctus on February 09, 2014, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
That is not at all analogous to pews. Wooden benches far predate the Earthly Ministry of Christ, air conditioning doesn't.
If you wish to assert pews were not a Protestant innovation, please provide your evidence of pews being used in churches prior to the invention of Protestantism. I know of no such proof.
Like I said, though, I'm not asserting pews are in any way not allowable. I would prefer the clergy make the decision of their installation, but I wouldn't argue with a priest one way or the other about the subject. I can have a perfectly fine worship experience with or without pews and cannot say pews or the lack therefore has ever made or broken my participation in any religious rites in any parish.
Im not getting into a fight over benches....whats wrong with sitting down during Liturgy except at certain important points...also the idea that kneeling should be anathema to eastern riters is another idiocy.
Also define pew...to me it is another name for a bench with a back...and I find it ridiculous to assert there was no such thing as a bench with a back before the 1500s
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Quote from: 3Sanctus on February 09, 2014, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
That is not at all analogous to pews. Wooden benches far predate the Earthly Ministry of Christ, air conditioning doesn't.
If you wish to assert pews were not a Protestant innovation, please provide your evidence of pews being used in churches prior to the invention of Protestantism. I know of no such proof.
Like I said, though, I'm not asserting pews are in any way not allowable. I would prefer the clergy make the decision of their installation, but I wouldn't argue with a priest one way or the other about the subject. I can have a perfectly fine worship experience with or without pews and cannot say pews or the lack therefore has ever made or broken my participation in any religious rites in any parish.
Im not getting into a fight over benches....whats wrong with sitting down during Liturgy except at certain important points...also the idea that kneeling should be anathema to eastern riters is another idiocy.
Also define pew...to me it is another name for a bench with a back...and I find it ridiculous to assert there was no such thing as a bench with a back before the 1500s
I never said there was anything wrong with it. Like I said, either a church filled with pews or with only seating for those who genuinely need it is fine with me (not having seating for those who need it would be uncharitable and not very Christlike). That said, regardless of the seating situation, or lack thereof, all Christians should follow the genuine and proper norms of any liturgical celebration they attend. As long as that is observed, whatever else they do is all about personal preference (the local OCA parish has a family who all kneel and prostate themselves during the Anaphora and during the Great Entrance - I've never noticed anyone at all saying or looking at them strangely, though her youngest son is absolutely adorable and hilarious, lol).
As I pointed out previously, what I am talking about is a church full of pews. That is to say, benches with backs filling the vast majority of the space designated for the laity during worship has no history in Christian churches prior to the Protestant Reformation - that is my understanding of the matter. If you know this to be untrue, I'd be very interested in being properly informed as to the reality of this matter.
If you assertion is simply that pews existed (under whatever name they were called prior to the Reformation, if the name was different) as benches with backs, then we're in agreement - benches with backs far predate the Protestant Reformation.
Of course benches with backs were around before 1500, just not in churches.
Kneeling in the eastern rites is the posture of penance and with every Sunday basically being a mini-Easter such a posture is inappropriate.
Also, pews I am told get in the way of prostrations.
No I dont disagree that the pews in churches you describe have no precedent before this time..But I dont understand whats "protty? about it?
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 03:40:46 PM
No I dont disagree that the pews in churches you describe have no precedent before this time..But I dont understand whats "protty? about it?
Pews were used in order to listen better to the sermon, the focal point of Protestant services.
Rest assured, however, pews aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
Im not getting into a fight over benches....whats wrong with sitting down during Liturgy except at certain important points...
Agreed. In the Latin Church Monks have been sitting in their choir stalls for a very long time, so I don't see big deal with the laity doing so as well.
The one history of pews I was able to find suggested that they started showing up in Catholic Churches in about 1050 or so, which would certainly predate the reformation.
Quote from: Parresia on February 09, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
Im not getting into a fight over benches....whats wrong with sitting down during Liturgy except at certain important points...
Agreed. In the Latin Church Monks have been sitting in their choir stalls for a very long time, so I don't see big deal with the laity doing so as well.
The one history of pews I was able to find suggested that they started showing up in Catholic Churches in about 1050 or so, which would certainly predate the reformation.
Thanks man!
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Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Parresia on February 09, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
Im not getting into a fight over benches....whats wrong with sitting down during Liturgy except at certain important points...
Agreed. In the Latin Church Monks have been sitting in their choir stalls for a very long time, so I don't see big deal with the laity doing so as well.
The one history of pews I was able to find suggested that they started showing up in Catholic Churches in about 1050 or so, which would certainly predate the reformation.
Thanks man!
To be fair, I have no way of telling how accurate the thing I found is. But they claim that it was rare prior to the 1300's, but were there in the form of stone benches against the sides of the Church.
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Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
Im not getting into a fight over benches....whats wrong with sitting down during Liturgy except at certain important points...
Agreed. In the Latin Church Monks have been sitting in their choir stalls for a very long time, so I don't see big deal with the laity doing so as well.
The one history of pews I was able to find suggested that they started showing up in Catholic Churches in about 1050 or so, which would certainly predate the reformation.
Thanks man!
To be fair, I have no way of telling how accurate the thing I found is. But they claim that it was rare prior to the 1300's, but were there in the form of stone benches against the sides of the Church.
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Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
Since when are pews for the faithful considered a protty innovation.
all I want to do is sit my white a** down. The working man rests on Sundays.
If a broad in Kiev, Ukraine can stand in high heels throughout the DL, then you can too, Voxx. :p
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
Like God intended.
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
I'm glad its not up to you.
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
Since when are pews for the faithful considered a protty innovation.
all I want to do is sit my white a** down. The working man rests on Sundays.
If a broad in Kiev, Ukraine can stand in high heels throughout the DL, then you can too, Voxx. :p
Is there perhaps a more appropriate word you could use to indicate a member of the better sex?
Quote from: Parresia on February 10, 2014, 08:27:09 AM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
I'm glad its not up to you.
There are more of us than you realize.
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
Since when are pews for the faithful considered a protty innovation.
all I want to do is sit my white a** down. The working man rests on Sundays.
If a broad in Kiev, Ukraine can stand in high heels throughout the DL, then you can too, Voxx. :p
Dear oh dear Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy. Owner of a Catholic forum says that a man can wear high heels. Dear oh dear Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy.
This is what I get for posting at night.
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Quote from: Machaut1377 on February 10, 2014, 09:00:14 AM
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Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
I'm glad its not up to you.
There are more of us than you realize.
And thankfully, its not up to you either. :tongue: ;)
40's and 50's slang for women is perfectly acceptable at all times.
You're a pinko feminzai commie if you say otherwise.
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Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
Since when are pews for the faithful considered a protty innovation.
all I want to do is sit my white a** down. The working man rests on Sundays.
If a broad in Kiev, Ukraine can stand in high heels throughout the DL, then you can too, Voxx. :p
Is there perhaps a more appropriate word you could use to indicate a member of the better sex?
No one has ever given me any slack for using "broad."
Quote from: Bonaventure on February 10, 2014, 11:43:03 AM
Quote from: Machaut1377 on February 10, 2014, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
Since when are pews for the faithful considered a protty innovation.
all I want to do is sit my white a** down. The working man rests on Sundays.
If a broad in Kiev, Ukraine can stand in high heels throughout the DL, then you can too, Voxx. :p
Is there perhaps a more appropriate word you could use to indicate a member of the better sex?
No one has ever given me any slack for using "broad."
"Broad" to me is a disrespectful term. I suppose I've mostly heard it being used in a negative context.
Quote from: Parresia on February 10, 2014, 08:27:09 AM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
I'm glad its not up to you.
Pansy and or modernist
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Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
Obviously there's no water available in your conceptualized church then, KK, since you, being a Midwesterner, know what happens to water pipes when they are exposed to freezing weather without a heating system.
So where do you get the water to make holy water and to mix with the wine at Mass?
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Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
Obviously there's no water available in your conceptualized church then, KK, since you, being a Midwesterner, know what happens to water pipes when they are exposed to freezing weather without a heating system.
So where do you get the water to make holy water and to mix with the wine at Mass?
Out of the ground?.... :lol:
I guess you'd need bathrooms (one modern concession I'm willing to make).
On a somewhat related note....
This Sunday I saw a lady dip her hand into the holy water font, without ever taking her cloth glove off.... :o
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Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
I'm glad its not up to you.
Pansy and or modernist
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Quote from: drummerboy on February 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
On a somewhat related note....
This Sunday I saw a lady dip her hand into the holy water font, without ever taking her cloth glove off.... :o
So?
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Quote from: drummerboy on February 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
On a somewhat related note....
This Sunday I saw a lady dip her hand into the holy water font, without ever taking her cloth glove off.... :o
So?
Isn't that improper? It just didn't seem right..
Quote from: drummerboy on February 10, 2014, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 10, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on February 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
On a somewhat related note....
This Sunday I saw a lady dip her hand into the holy water font, without ever taking her cloth glove off.... :o
So?
Isn't that improper? It just didn't seem right..
its water not guacamole dip.
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Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 09, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 09, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Is air conditioning a protty innovation too?
If it were up to me, you'd have a stone church lit by candles, with no pews, air conditioning, heating, or stereo systems.
I'm glad its not up to you.
Pansy and or modernist
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Perhaps you would also like to go this route?
http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2014/02/honey-i-swear-i-got-vd-from-pew.html
Thank you so much for posting this Voxx. And thank you RebornPure for making it. I had classmates in the Academy who grew up in the Divine Liturgy, but I always had a hard time understanding where they were coming from. I've never been to one and there aren't any in my area so please forgive my ignorance. Did the Divine Liturgy change with VII as well as the Latin Rites? If not, what kept them pure? Are there distinctions, i.e. OF and EF? Are the churches considered to be under the jurisdiction of the Dioceses even though they have their own Bishops? Sorry for the 20 questions, I've just always been curious.
Vat 2 had the Ironical effect of demanding draconian removal of any actual or suspected latinizations from the DL in the name of tradition if you can belive that! This caused division and strife and condusions that decimated our numbers. Some easterns embraced it but others lamented and became embittered by the removal of uniate practices that had become familiar and embraced for a century. Now its a race to see who can become more like the orthoducks...even rosary groups and Mary crowning traditions were suppressed. The title Mother of Gid became replaced every possible way with Theotokos.( I might start a thread why I personally loath this change). Kneelers were ripped out...2 sunday DLs were dissallowed. No more kneeling for communion..standing was deemed to be the proper posture. Easter was to be refered to as Pasch only...Feast of the assumption became Dormition....its a mess. But the essential parts of DL werent changed...DEO GRACIAS..but the pastoral effects were horrible...IMPO
Quote from: Parresia on February 11, 2014, 11:06:32 AM
Perhaps you would also like to go this route?
http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2014/02/honey-i-swear-i-got-vd-from-pew.html
No, that is alright.
There's just something to be said for modern novelties introduced into the church.
Granted, I'm also a little weird, but I really think audio equipment has no need for use in a church. None whatsoever. I can "understand" heat (for old people and stuff), but I still disagree with it (wear a coat?).
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 18, 2014, 07:30:08 AM
Quote from: Parresia on February 11, 2014, 11:06:32 AM
Perhaps you would also like to go this route?
http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2014/02/honey-i-swear-i-got-vd-from-pew.html
No, that is alright.
Neo-Catholic wuss :tongue:
One of the things which really opened my eyes as to the deficiency of the Mass of Paul VI compared to the TLM is the Requiem Mass compared to the Mass of Christian Burial. Looking at those prayers, and the instant canonizations which often take place, really brought the discrepancy between the two into focus for me. Louis Verrecchio's article on the topic was a big catalyst for me: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column.php?n=2548
This causes me to be curious as to what a Funeral/Requiem (sorry, I don't know the proper term for it in the DL) Divine Liturgy looks and sounds like. If anyone has a link to the text of the DL as well as a good video representation, I would be curious to check it out.
+Pax
Quote from: Parresia on February 18, 2014, 08:12:21 AM
One of the things which really opened my eyes as to the deficiency of the Mass of Paul VI compared to the TLM is the Requiem Mass compared to the Mass of Christian Burial. Looking at those prayers, and the instant canonizations which often take place, really brought the discrepancy between the two into focus for me. Louis Verrecchio's article on the topic was a big catalyst for me: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column.php?n=2548
This causes me to be curious as to what a Funeral/Requiem (sorry, I don't know the proper term for it in the DL) Divine Liturgy looks and sounds like. If anyone has a link to the text of the DL as well as a good video representation, I would be curious to check it out.
+Pax
Nice! Is Verrecchio trad? I can't keep up.
Quote from: Kaesekopf on February 18, 2014, 11:17:50 AM
Quote from: Parresia on February 18, 2014, 08:12:21 AM
One of the things which really opened my eyes as to the deficiency of the Mass of Paul VI compared to the TLM is the Requiem Mass compared to the Mass of Christian Burial. Looking at those prayers, and the instant canonizations which often take place, really brought the discrepancy between the two into focus for me. Louis Verrecchio's article on the topic was a big catalyst for me: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column.php?n=2548
This causes me to be curious as to what a Funeral/Requiem (sorry, I don't know the proper term for it in the DL) Divine Liturgy looks and sounds like. If anyone has a link to the text of the DL as well as a good video representation, I would be curious to check it out.
+Pax
Nice! Is Verrecchio trad? I can't keep up.
So as not to derail this one, I started a new thread.
http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?board=4.0
Quote from: Parresia on February 18, 2014, 08:12:21 AM
One of the things which really opened my eyes as to the deficiency of the Mass of Paul VI compared to the TLM is the Requiem Mass compared to the Mass of Christian Burial. Looking at those prayers, and the instant canonizations which often take place, really brought the discrepancy between the two into focus for me. Louis Verrecchio's article on the topic was a big catalyst for me: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column.php?n=2548
This causes me to be curious as to what a Funeral/Requiem (sorry, I don't know the proper term for it in the DL) Divine Liturgy looks and sounds like. If anyone has a link to the text of the DL as well as a good video representation, I would be curious to check it out.
+Pax
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I can tell you that DL funeral service...is deeply moving and sacred...with beautiful vestments and rituals.
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 23, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
I can tell you that DL funeral service...is deeply moving and sacred...with beautiful vestments and rituals.
Any links you can share, to either a video or the text, or both?
All I have is my memorys
www.byzcath.org/pdf/Funeral-Panachida-1998-2009.pdf (http://www.byzcath.org/pdf/Funeral-Panachida-1998-2009.pdf)
Quote from: spasiisochrani on February 28, 2014, 09:13:47 AM
www.byzcath.org/pdf/Funeral-Panachida-1998-2009.pdf (http://www.byzcath.org/pdf/Funeral-Panachida-1998-2009.pdf)
Thanks for that.
Bishop Schotts funeral:
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr4y4J9XjSM[/yt]
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bltOMeRgv4c[/yt]
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRa6TBpnSvg[/yt]
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on February 28, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
Bishop Schotts funeral:
Thanks. Louis Verrecchio's article comparing the Requiem Mass to the Mass of Christian Burial was one of the things which really helped me to see the deficiencies of the Mass of Paul VI. Since then, I have been very interested in the liturgies of the Church related to funerals.
Quote from: Parresia on February 28, 2014, 04:49:03 PM
Thanks. Louis Verrecchio's article comparing the Requiem Mass to the Mass of Christian Burial was one of the things which really helped me to see the deficiencies of the Mass of Paul VI. Since then, I have been very interested in the liturgies of the Church related to funerals.
That article sounds very interesting, where did you see it?
Quote from: dueSicilie on February 28, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: Parresia on February 28, 2014, 04:49:03 PM
Thanks. Louis Verrecchio's article comparing the Requiem Mass to the Mass of Christian Burial was one of the things which really helped me to see the deficiencies of the Mass of Paul VI. Since then, I have been very interested in the liturgies of the Church related to funerals.
That article sounds very interesting, where did you see it?
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column.php?n=2548