Day of Reparation for Amazon Synod outrages

[Miriam_M]

From the SSPX Superior General:

Dear Members of the Society,

The recent Synod on the Amazon was witness to terrible scenes where the abomination of idolatrous rites was played out within the sanctuary of God in new and unthinkable ways. And then, the final document of this tumultuous assembly attacked the holiness of the Catholic priesthood, pushing for both the abolition of ecclesiastical celibacy and the establishment of a female deaconate. Truly, the seeds of apostasy which our venerable Founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, had identified from the earliest days as being at work in the Council, continue to yield their putrid fruits with renewed effectiveness.

In the name of inculturation, pagan elements are increasingly integrated into divine worship and we can see, once again, how the liturgy that followed of the Second Vatican Council is perfectly suited to this.

In response to these events, we call on all members of the Society, including Third Order members, to observe a day of prayer and reparation, because we cannot remain indifferent to such attacks on the holiness of Holy Mother the Church. We ask that a fast be observed in all our houses on Saturday, November 9th. We invite all the faithful to the same and we also encourage children to offer prayers and sacrifices.

On Sunday, November 10th, 2019, each priest of the Society will celebrate a Mass of reparation, and in each chapel, the Litanies of the Saints, taken from the liturgy of the Rogations, will be sung or recited to ask God to protect His Church and to spare it from the punishments that such acts cannot fail to draw down upon it. We urge all priest friends, as well as all Catholics who love the Church, to do the same.

Such is due to the honour of the Holy Roman Catholic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, which is neither idolatrous nor pantheistic.

Don Davide Pagliarani
Superior General

[Miriam_M]

Sorry, forgot the link!

https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/communiqu%C3%A9-superior-general-society-about-synod-amazon-52053

[awkwardcustomer]

Make reparation, but don't do anything - again.

The SSPX couldn't even muster support for the conservative Catholic academics who accused Francis of heresy and asked the Bishops to remove him.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5983408-Open-Letter-to-the-Bishops-of-the-Catholic.html

Instead the SSPX criticised them.

A dark idea is beginning to form in my mind.  The SSPX is controlled opposition! They want you on your knees, carrying the burden of the heresies of others.

But never acting, never calling out the heretics, while the heresies keep coming.

[Nazianzen]

They want you on your knees, carrying the burden of the heresies of others.

Isn't that exactly how God has set things up?  Isn't it up to the more spiritual to carry the less spiritual brothers? 

As for your main complaint, actually, fasting and praying is doing more than merely spouting stuff. 

Spouting stuff is easy, and costs nothing - have a look around this forum for proof (as if anybody needs any proof of such an obvious fact).  Prayer and fasting cost us, and they are the actual means directly prescribed by Our Lord for getting the goods we need - especially supernatural goods, such as the destruction of heresy.

I'm a sede, but I like the fact that SSPX is encouraging prayer and fasting rather than just denouncing heresies and heretics.  Both are good, but if you're going to pick only one - external or internal acts, shall we say - then the internal ones win every time.  It's a no contest.  And if you think people don't pick one as a rule, you're mistaken.  Most of us say we believe in prayer, but we disprove it by spending far longer talking to men than we do talking to God.  And as for fasting, well, who even pretends to believe in that?

In the Immaculate,
Nazianzen.

[awkwardcustomer]

They want you on your knees, carrying the burden of the heresies of others.

Isn't that exactly how God has set things up?  Isn't it up to the more spiritual to carry the less spiritual brothers? 

You equate heretics with "less spiritual brothers"?

And you don't wonder if God would like "the more spiritual" to demand that the heretics leave the holy place? Instead you assume that making reparation is the one and only way for Trads to act. 

Making reparation is the Trad response to the crisis.  Why?  Because the fake, modern (20th C) Marian apparitions say so.  Making reparation, penance, sackcloth and ashes (recently), this is the accepted way for Trads to respond as they pray and fast for the restoration to come.  And all the while the heresies keep coming.

I think it's a psy-op, the aim being to keep Trads on their knees (spiritually as well as physically),  hoping for a restoration that will never come, but never calling out the apostates in the Vatican.

That way, the apostates can get on with their task of preparing for the coming of the antichrist, while everyone believes the preparations come from the Church.

It's genius.

[Traditionallyruralmom]

how did i know this post would go south quick? 

[Lynne]

Thank you, Miriam for posting this! While I knew about the Mass for reparation on Sunday, I had missed the part about fasting on Saturday! (d'oh!)

[Nazianzen]

They want you on your knees, carrying the burden of the heresies of others.

Isn't that exactly how God has set things up?  Isn't it up to the more spiritual to carry the less spiritual brothers? 

You equate heretics with "less spiritual brothers"?

That isn't what I meant, but actually yes, the baptised apostate belongs legally still in the flock from which he has departed, and our prayers and sacrifices are all that he has left.  Well, he doesn't have any resources of his own, and we want what God wants, right?  His salvation.

And you don't wonder if God would like "the more spiritual" to demand that the heretics leave the holy place? Instead you assume that making reparation is the one and only way for Trads to act. 

No, it isn't "the one and only way for Trads to act," it's a perfectly reasonable and charitable, and prudent, way to act.  Our job isn't to decide how everybody else ought to act, everyone must make these choices for himself.  So as long as our brother is acting within the moral law, we cannot have grounds for fraternal correction.  Is Fr. Pagliarani's proposal contrary to the moral law?  No, it's not.  So we move on and don't even consider censuring it. It's none of our business. Agreed?

Making reparation is the Trad response to the crisis.  Why?  Because the fake, modern (20th C) Marian apparitions say so.  Making reparation, penance, sackcloth and ashes (recently), this is the accepted way for Trads to respond as they pray and fast for the restoration to come.  And all the while the heresies keep coming.

It's like you think there's something else we can do.  Certainly denouncing heretics may aid our weaker brethren, by rendering the heretics odious or at least doubtful, and therefore less credible and consequently less dangerous...  but the decision, the judgement according to which that is the best course depends upon various contingent questions, and may be summed up by asking, will this be fruitful, or counter-productive?  If the latter, the best course is to omit the warning.  And in any case, it's Fr. Pagliarani's decision in this case, not ours, so we have no say in it.  We have no business criticising it.

We can go all out yelling warnings ourselves, while equally remaining complacent about Fr. Pagliarani choosing not to do so.

It's not a psy-op, whatever it is.

In the Immaculate,
Nazianzen.

[awkwardcustomer]

They want you on your knees, carrying the burden of the heresies of others.

Isn't that exactly how God has set things up?  Isn't it up to the more spiritual to carry the less spiritual brothers? 

You equate heretics with "less spiritual brothers"?

That isn't what I meant, but actually yes, the baptised apostate belongs legally still in the flock from which he has departed, and our prayers and sacrifices are all that he has left.  Well, he doesn't have any resources of his own, and we want what God wants, right?  His salvation.

Agreed, provided the all important step of making sure the apostate departs from the flock is not overlooked, lest he do even more harm and we contribute to that harm by failing to call the apostate out.

And you don't wonder if God would like "the more spiritual" to demand that the heretics leave the holy place? Instead you assume that making reparation is the one and only way for Trads to act. 

No, it isn't "the one and only way for Trads to act," it's a perfectly reasonable and charitable, and prudent, way to act.  Our job isn't to decide how everybody else ought to act, everyone must make these choices for himself.  So as long as our brother is acting within the moral law, we cannot have grounds for fraternal correction.  Is Fr. Pagliarani's proposal contrary to the moral law?  No, it's not.  So we move on and don't even consider censuring it. It's none of our business. Agreed?

What other way is promoted for Trads to act, besides making reparation?

Isn't failing to call out heretics and apostates negligence?  Don't we have an obligation to speak out if we see harm being done by heretics and apostates?  Your concern for these men doesn't seem to stretch to those who are harmed by them.

And why is Fr Pagliarni's proposal "none of our business".  The SSPX criticised the Catholic scholars who wrote the Open Letter denouncing Francis as a heretic and calling for his removal.  Why did they have to do that?  And now the SSPX is calling for the Faithful to 'make reparation'.  This proves my point.

The message is clear.  Make reparation but don't call out Bergoglio for the heretic he is, even when a group of conservative Catholic scholars is ready to do just that.  Criticise the scholars instead.   Such appalling behaviour by the SSPX deserves to be censured. 

Making reparation is the Trad response to the crisis.  Why?  Because the fake, modern (20th C) Marian apparitions say so.  Making reparation, penance, sackcloth and ashes (recently), this is the accepted way for Trads to respond as they pray and fast for the restoration to come.  And all the while the heresies keep coming.

It's like you think there's something else we can do.  Certainly denouncing heretics may aid our weaker brethren, by rendering the heretics odious or at least doubtful, and therefore less credible and consequently less dangerous...  but the decision, the judgement according to which that is the best course depends upon various contingent questions, and may be summed up by asking, will this be fruitful, or counter-productive?  If the latter, the best course is to omit the warning.  And in any case, it's Fr. Pagliarani's decision in this case, not ours, so we have no say in it.  We have no business criticising it.

We can go all out yelling warnings ourselves, while equally remaining complacent about Fr. Pagliarani choosing not to do so.

It's not a psy-op, whatever it is.

Who said anything about yelling?

And how on earth could it ever be counter-productive or unfruitful to call out a heretic?  It's the very least you can do. 

[mikemac]

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A dark idea is beginning to form in my mind.
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I don't doubt that.

[awkwardcustomer]

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A dark idea is beginning to form in my mind.
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I don't doubt that.

I wondered who would be the first to pick on that.

Had to be you.

[Jayne]

Perhaps it would be helpful to review Catholic teaching on reparation.  Pope Pius wrote an encyclical on the subject in 1928,  Miserentissimus Redemptor:  https://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280508_miserentissimus-redemptor.html  Although specifically concerned with reparation to the Sacred Heart, much of it is general principles regarding reparation.

Here are a couple of quotes, but the whole thing is worth reading:

"For if the first and foremost thing in Consecration is this, that the creature's love should be given in return for the love of the Creator, another thing follows from this at once, namely that to the same uncreated Love, if so be it has been neglected by forgetfulness or violated by offense, some sort of compensation must be rendered for the injury, and this debt is commonly called by the name of reparation."

"Now, how great is the necessity of this expiation or reparation, more especially in this our age, will be manifest to every one who, as we said at the outset, will examine the world, "seated in wickedness" (1 John v, 19), with his eyes and with his mind. For from all sides the cry of the peoples who are mourning comes up to us, and their princes or rulers have indeed stood up and met together in one against the Lord and against His Church (Cf. Psalm ii, 2)."

The Catholic Encyclopedia article on reparation http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12775a.htm is also informative.

Reparation is a theological concept closely connected with those of atonement and satisfaction, and thus belonging to some of the deepest mysteries of the Christian Faith. It is the teaching of that Faith that man is a creature who has fallen from an original state of justice in which he was created, and that through the Incarnation, Passion, and Death of the Son of God, he has been redeemed and restored again in a certain degree to the original condition. Although God might have condoned men's offences gratuitously if He had chosen to do so, yet in His Providence He did not do this; He judged it better to demand satisfaction for the injuries which man had done Him. It is better for man's education that wrong doing on his part should entail the necessity of making satisfaction. This satisfaction was made adequately to God by the Sufferings, Passion, and Death of Jesus Christ, made Man for us. By voluntary submission to His Passion and Death on the Cross, Jesus Christ atoned for our disobedience and sin. He thus made reparation to the offended majesty of God for the outrages which the Creator so constantly suffers at the hands of His creatures. We are restored to grace through the merits of Christ's Death, and that grace enables us to add our prayers, labours, and trials to those of Our Lord "and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ" (Colossians 1:24). We can thus make some sort of reparation to the justice of God for our own offences against Him, and by virtue of the Communion of the Saints, the oneness and solidarity of the mystical Body of Christ, we can also make satisfaction and reparation for the sins of others.

This theological doctrine, firmly rooted in the Christian Faith, is the foundation of the numerous confraternities and pious associations which have been founded, especially in modern times, to make reparation to God for the sins of men. Thus the Archconfraternity of Reparation for blasphemy and the neglect of Sunday was founded 28 June, 1847, in the Church of St. Martin de La Noue at St. Dizier in France by Mgr. Parisis, Bishop of Langres. With a similar object, the Archconfraternity of the Holy Face was established at Tours, about 1851, through the piety of M. Dupont, the "holy man of Tours". In 1883 an association was formed in Rome to offer reparation to God on behalf of all nations. The idea of reparation is an essential element in the devotion of the Sacred Heart (see Heart of Jesus, Devotion to the).

The Mass, the representation of the sacrifice of Calvary, is specially suited to make reparation for sin. One of the ends for which it is offered is the propitiation of God's wrath. A pious widow of Paris conceived the idea of promoting this object in 1862. By the authority of Pope Leo XIII the erection of the Archconfraternity of the Mass of Reparation was sanctioned in 1886.

It is clear that there are no grounds for a Catholic to speak disparagingly of the practice of prayers of reparation.  It is a very good thing that the SSPX is encouraging this practice and creating an opportunity for it. 

[mikemac]

It was the SSPX along with Father Gruner and some lay Catholics that said the reparation prayers (maybe a Mass) at Fatima after a Hindu celebration was allowed at the little chapel at the Cova da Iria.

[mikemac]

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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/watch-catholic-priest-burns-satanic-pachamama-effigy-in-reparation-for-idolatry-at-vatican

Catholic priest burns 'satanic' Pachamama effigy in reparation for idolatry at Vatican


November 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A Catholic priest in the Archdiocese of Mexico City burned effigies of the pagan "Pachamama" statues while leading the faithful in prayer to atone for the sin of worshiping the statues at the Vatican during the recently concluded Amazon Synod.

Video of the event captured Fr. Hugo Valdemar standing outside a Church dedicated to Our Lady of Guadalupe where flames leaped out of a four-legged metal fireplace that was on top of a table covered with a white tablecloth. The colorized Pachamama effigies were then placed on the table next to the fire.

Fr. Valdemar stood next to an altar boy who was holding an image of Our Lady of Guadalupe and explained what was about to take place, as captured by the November 3 video. The priest was also flanked by an icon of St. Michael the Archangel.
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Fr. Hugo Valdemar burning Pachamama effigy in Mexico City, Nov. 3, 2019.

"The most blessed Virgin [Mary] of Guadalupe, as we know, is a young woman who is pregnant. She has Jesus in her womb whom is to give birth to the new continent (the new world). She says that she comes to grant her love to all the inhabitants of this entire continent (not just Mexico). She is pregnant and carries Jesus who will bring us the Gospel and drive away the darkness of idolatry and the devil," he said.

Fr. Hugo then picked up one of the Pachamama effigies and, holding it next to the image of Our Lady, explained the difference between the two.

"A friend exorcist says that this idol (Pachamama) is actually the figure of the antichrist. It is a blasphemy and parody of Mary. Pachamama is pregnant but carries the antichrist to give birth to him in the Masonic church, to destroy the sacraments, which is to return to idolatry and superstition. So, this antichrist who is to give birth to a church with an 'Amazonian face' is an abomination, it is a contradiction to Church doctrine, which is the dynamic into which these idolaters want to enter into now," he said.

"So, in sign of repugnance to the offenses that they made to the most Blessed Virgin Mary in Rome, in her church of Traspontina, we, as a protest and as a sign of reparation, burn this satanic idol of the Pachamama," he added.

The priest then dropped the Pachamama into the fire where it was consumed by the flames. Two more effigies were later burned.
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[Nazianzen]

Agreed, provided the all important step of making sure the apostate departs from the flock is not overlooked, lest he do even more harm and we contribute to that harm by failing to call the apostate out.

Again, it's like you have some notion that saying something will result in a heretic disappearing somehow.  What are you contending?  That the SSPX can get Francis to resign, if they're mean to him in public?  That they can get Novus Ordo bishops to chase Francis out of St. Martha's House with pitchforks, if they embarrass them into it by strong words?  What?

What other way is promoted for Trads to act, besides making reparation?

If we're talking about instruction or recommendations given by the SSPX to the faithful, what other way is appropriate for laymen to act? 

Surely you're not thinking like those a pro-lifer types who seem to think that the Rosary will work if and when it's prayed in public outside an abortion clinic, but not otherwise? 

Isn't failing to call out heretics and apostates negligence?

Not necessarily.  But the SSPX does refute the errors of V2 and the Nopes.  What the SSPX doesn't do, typically anyway, is attack persons.  But in this they follow the Archbishop. 

Do you think that the faithful are going to start believing Frankie if the SSPX doesn't denounce him as a heretic? 

Your concern for these men doesn't seem to stretch to those who are harmed by them.

You've got entirely the wrong end of the stick.  I'm not telling you what I would do, I am defending others (the SSPX) from your charge that they are false opposition, and that this is proved by their failure to do more than organise prayer and sacrifice. 

Can you maybe stop, calm down, and try and think clearly about what you are actually saying?

And why is Fr Pagliarni's proposal "none of our business".

Censuring it is none of our business.  If you think it is our job to judge and correct what he does, say why.

The SSPX criticised the Catholic scholars who wrote the Open Letter denouncing Francis as a heretic and calling for his removal.  Why did they have to do that?

Because they thought it was as crazy as I thought it was?  They explained in their rejection of that letter why they rejected it.  Did you read it?

And now the SSPX is calling for the Faithful to 'make reparation'.  This proves my point.

I don't think it proves anything.

And how on earth could it ever be counter-productive or unfruitful to call out a heretic? 

Well, I was discussing my confirmation sponsor with my mother yesterday, and advising her on how to aid him.  He's an old man, in his eighties.  He's stuck in the Novus Ordo, but he recently became aware of the book by Taylor Marshall on the crisis in the Church.  I advised my mother to ask one question only, does he believe that the new mass is a fruit of the conspiracy that Marshall describes?  If so, abandon it and come to the true mass.  And I added, do not complicate it any further, do not give him anything else to read, do not get into the whole crisis in the Church and how to explain it, just get him to the true mass.  Now, why did I give this advice?  Because there is a real danger that if you get into too much detail, you will scare him off, or confuse him, or give him reasons to hesitate, and the only thing that really matters - the only reason all of the detail matters, actually - is to get back to practicing the true religion. 

We don't care about the heretics except insofar as they are deceiving anybody, right?  Are we agreed on that much?

In the Immaculate,
Naz.