Message from 3rd Secret of Fatima Miracle

[ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez]

I think it is fair to question exactly how the true Dogma of the Faith was preserved in Portugal.

She was speaking to Portuguese people during a time of worldwide Communist revolution.  In that context, it sounds much more like she's making a promise to the children that the Church won't be suppressed in their country.

[Mattchew83]

I think it is fair to question exactly how the true Dogma of the Faith was preserved in Portugal.

She was speaking to Portuguese people during a time of worldwide Communist revolution.  In that context, it sounds much more like she's making a promise to the children that the Church won't be suppressed in their country.

I agree with you that the Church was never suppressed in their country. Consider the following...

The Society of Saint Pius X was not founded until 1970 so the SSPX was not preserving the true Dogma in Portugal between 1965 and 1970. There must have been some other traditional Catholic Church in Portugal preserving the true Dogma during this time. I'm not sure when the SSPX reached Portugal...it could have been later than 1970 even.

The Society of Saint Pius V was not founded until 1983. They certainly were not present in Portugal preserving the true Dogma between 1965 and 1983. This is an even larger gap than the SSPX.

These 2 groups were not "ALWAYS" preserving the true Dogma in Portugal as our Mother Mary stated would happen. There must have been another Church preserving the true Dogma between 1965-1970 (at least). Why did neither the SSPX nor SSPV look for this Church? Why did it never dawn on any of them to do so? To me that is a bad sign.

I do have 1 question, and a certain answer to this question could prove my thinking wrong...

Did it take a number of years for the Novus Ordo to educate priests around the world about Vatican 2? Or were all of the priests and bishops made aware of Vatican 2's teachings right away?

[Mattchew83]

I think it would be wise to figure out which Churches and Convents (in Portugal) that Sister Lúcia de Jesus Rosa dos Santos attended before the 1950's. I say before the 1950's because some people question whether or not the person claiming to be Sister Lucia, after this point, was the real Sister Lucia. If we can locate these Churches and Convents in Portugal then we can examine them to see if they succumbed to the Novus Ordo. If they did not, then we may have a possible lead on a true Catholic Church in Portugal. We can then compare our beliefs to theirs. We can see exactly what they believe in. I would think these Churches and Convents would have been blessed by her (Sister Lucia) presence and because of this...they would not have succumbed to the Novus Ordo. But maybe I am wrong.

Other things to consider...

There would be no need for evangelization of such a hypothetical true Catholic Church in Portugal. The Mother Mary did all of that for such a Church (if it exists). Those who were meant to see would eventually see what She was communicating.

Also, if there is a true Catholic Church in Portugal different from any traditional "Catholic" Church we are aware of...then those who seek it will find it (Matthew 7:7).

[Melkor]

You are wrong.

You cannot just insert words where they are not.

Besides it flies in the face of reality.  There is more faith in France per capita than Portugal.

As if you are the authority on the matter to decide how to properly interpret things. You say without a doubt that I am wrong? Pffffft.

It might hold that there be true Churches throughout the world even though She said this. I would think that these Churches would have to be based out of 1 Church in Portugal. I would feel at least a little more comfortable, if say, the SSPX were based out of Portugal. But this would not necessarily mean that it is the true Church.

It seems to me that She never would have made this statement if the true Church was not based out of Portugal.

It is also possible that She is saying that the true Church only exists in Portugal.

You yourself said above, "I could be wrong".

You are wrong.  Portugal has not preserved the faith more than France.  In fact, far less.

So there is no possibility that Portugal can be the ONLY country that preserves it.

And Fatima in no way suggests it is the only country.  You are engaging in pure speculation.

And now you are on my ignore list.

You and that Chairman guy are wicked people and narcissists. I am glad I am on your ignore list. I don't want anything to do with you either.

Lol grow some skin snowflake.

[Melkor]

why did it not dawn on

ponder this yourself

I think you are accursed (something is not right about the way you think). I just showed you that I have pondered this. I will be trying to find this Church.

The funny thing is, your making a fool out of yourself in front of all these people. Anybody with half a brain would see what I'm talking about.

You're an idiot and your accusatory trope posting is so 2015 so find a new schtick

Isn't this slander (a mortal sin)? Your not looking so good yourself there bud.

It's not slander, he's calling you an idiot to your face. I must say, from what I've seen of you, I agree with him.

[ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez]

I think it would be wise to figure out which Churches and Convents (in Portugal) that Sister Lúcia de Jesus Rosa dos Santos attended before the 1950's. I say before the 1950's because some people question whether or not the person claiming to be Sister Lucia, after this point, was the real Sister Lucia. If we can locate these Churches and Convents in Portugal then we can examine them to see if they succumbed to the Novus Ordo. If they did not, then we may have a possible lead on a true Catholic Church in Portugal. We can then compare our beliefs to theirs. We can see exactly what they believe in. I would think these Churches and Convents would have been blessed by her (Sister Lucia) presence and because of this...they would not have succumbed to the Novus Ordo. But maybe I am wrong.

Other things to consider...

There would be no need for evangelization of such a hypothetical true Catholic Church in Portugal. The Mother Mary did all of that for such a Church (if it exists). Those who were meant to see would eventually see what She was communicating.

Also, if there is a true Catholic Church in Portugal different from any traditional "Catholic" Church we are aware of...then those who seek it will find it (Matthew 7:7).

There is a Catholic Church that doesn't recognize V2...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

[mikemac]

Don't look towards the schismatic Old Catholic Church for an answer to your questions.  The truth is we don't know the full truth about the 3rd Secret of Fatima because the Secret has not yet been revealed.  "In Portugal the Dogma of the Faith Will Always Be Preserved, etc."  The "etc." in itself is a big question.  Here's Father Gruner and John Vennari trying to answer your question.  If these two can't answer the question then nobody can, until the 3rd Secret is revealed.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYs2WwYwXNo[/yt]

[GiftOfGod]

Just let Mattchew83 go on a wild goose chase in Portugal.

[Aulef]

I think it would be wise to figure out which Churches and Convents (in Portugal) that Sister Lúcia de Jesus Rosa dos Santos attended before the 1950's. I say before the 1950's because some people question whether or not the person claiming to be Sister Lucia, after this point, was the real Sister Lucia. If we can locate these Churches and Convents in Portugal then we can examine them to see if they succumbed to the Novus Ordo. If they did not, then we may have a possible lead on a true Catholic Church in Portugal. We can then compare our beliefs to theirs. We can see exactly what they believe in. I would think these Churches and Convents would have been blessed by her (Sister Lucia) presence and because of this...they would not have succumbed to the Novus Ordo. But maybe I am wrong.

Other things to consider...

There would be no need for evangelization of such a hypothetical true Catholic Church in Portugal. The Mother Mary did all of that for such a Church (if it exists). Those who were meant to see would eventually see what She was communicating.

Also, if there is a true Catholic Church in Portugal different from any traditional "Catholic" Church we are aware of...then those who seek it will find it (Matthew 7:7).

There is a Catholic Church that doesn't recognize V2...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

Schismatics

[Mattchew83]

Don't look towards the schismatic Old Catholic Church for an answer to your questions.  The truth is we don't know the full truth about the 3rd Secret of Fatima because the Secret has not yet been revealed.  "In Portugal the Dogma of the Faith Will Always Be Preserved, etc."  The "etc." in itself is a big question.  Here's Father Gruner and John Vennari trying to answer your question.  If these two can't answer the question then nobody can, until the 3rd Secret is revealed.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYs2WwYwXNo[/yt]

I'm not sure what point he is trying to make when he says it is conditional in the video. It seems like he admitted that Our Lady really did say "In Portugal the Dogma of the Faith will Always be Preserved".

FACT: We know the true Catholic Church exists in Portugal based on what Our Lady of Fatima revealed to us. Not so sure you can say that about anywhere else.

FACT: We should all be scanning all of Portugal for all Churches claiming to be Catholic. We should then examine them and compare our beliefs to theirs. This is the only way to be certain that we will be exposed to the true Dogma one way or another.

Am I wrong?

[Mattchew83]

why did it not dawn on

ponder this yourself

I think you are accursed (something is not right about the way you think). I just showed you that I have pondered this. I will be trying to find this Church.

The funny thing is, your making a fool out of yourself in front of all these people. Anybody with half a brain would see what I'm talking about.

You're an idiot and your accusatory trope posting is so 2015 so find a new schtick

Isn't this slander (a mortal sin)? Your not looking so good yourself there bud.

It's not slander, he's calling you an idiot to your face. I must say, from what I've seen of you, I agree with him.

Why do you agree with him? Maybe I will see your point.

Would it not be the smart thing to do to identify all traditional Catholic Churches in Portugal and to examine their beliefs that way we know we have been exposed to the true Dogma. To me that is the intelligent thing to do. You seem to lack critical thinking skills.

[Mattchew83]

Just let Mattchew83 go on a wild goose chase in Portugal.

Explain why we should not believe in the Marian Apparitions at Fatima, and maybe I will see your point (if you have one).

[Mattchew83]

I think it would be wise to figure out which Churches and Convents (in Portugal) that Sister Lúcia de Jesus Rosa dos Santos attended before the 1950's. I say before the 1950's because some people question whether or not the person claiming to be Sister Lucia, after this point, was the real Sister Lucia. If we can locate these Churches and Convents in Portugal then we can examine them to see if they succumbed to the Novus Ordo. If they did not, then we may have a possible lead on a true Catholic Church in Portugal. We can then compare our beliefs to theirs. We can see exactly what they believe in. I would think these Churches and Convents would have been blessed by her (Sister Lucia) presence and because of this...they would not have succumbed to the Novus Ordo. But maybe I am wrong.

Other things to consider...

There would be no need for evangelization of such a hypothetical true Catholic Church in Portugal. The Mother Mary did all of that for such a Church (if it exists). Those who were meant to see would eventually see what She was communicating.

Also, if there is a true Catholic Church in Portugal different from any traditional "Catholic" Church we are aware of...then those who seek it will find it (Matthew 7:7).

There is a Catholic Church that doesn't recognize V2...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

I looked around a bit on this source and another Wikipedia source about Old Catholic Churches and could not find any in Portugal.

[Melkor]

why did it not dawn on

ponder this yourself

I think you are accursed (something is not right about the way you think). I just showed you that I have pondered this. I will be trying to find this Church.

The funny thing is, your making a fool out of yourself in front of all these people. Anybody with half a brain would see what I'm talking about.

You're an idiot and your accusatory trope posting is so 2015 so find a new schtick

Isn't this slander (a mortal sin)? Your not looking so good yourself there bud.

It's not slander, he's calling you an idiot to your face. I must say, from what I've seen of you, I agree with him.

Why do you agree with him? Maybe I will see your point.

Would it not be the smart thing to do to identify all traditional Catholic Churches in Portugal and to examine their beliefs that way we know we have been exposed to the true Dogma. To me that is the intelligent thing to do. You seem to lack critical thinking skills.

If you are a (traditional) Catholic you belong to the same Church, no need to go find another one. Believing or assuming that the true Church is only found in Portugal based off of a personal (and incorrect) interpretation is weak thinking.

Edit: the Church's teachings have remained unchanged for all these years. Go read the Council of Trent, go read the encyclicals. Know your Faith, the Faith taught by Our Lord Jesus Christ through his Apostles and their successors.

[ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez]

There is a Catholic Church that doesn't recognize V2...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

I looked around a bit on this source and another Wikipedia source about Old Catholic Churches and could not find any in Portugal.

Is there any other evidence in favor of these Old Catholic Churches?  What are the other ways in which they differ from the visible Church?