Anti Jewish litmus test for "true" Catholicism

[Jayne]

We're not exactly living through the converso crisis. If a Jew converts to the Faith today, what have they to gain from it apart from Christ Himself? Why shouldn't they be treated as a sincere converts worthy of warm welcome?

In my experience, this is the attitude of the vast majority of traditional Catholics.  Only rarely do I encounter those who feel that converts from Judaism should automatically be treated with suspicion.

[Chestertonian]

We're not exactly living through the converso crisis. If a Jew converts to the Faith today, what have they to gain from it apart from Christ Himself? Why shouldn't they be treated as a sincere converts worthy of warm welcome?

If only... It sounds nicer than the church being infested with pedophiles and homosexuals

[Heinrich]

We're not exactly living through the converso crisis. If a Jew converts to the Faith today, what have they to gain from it apart from Christ Himself? Why shouldn't they be treated as a sincere converts worthy of warm welcome?

In my experience, this is the attitude of the vast majority of traditional Catholics.  Only rarely do I encounter those who feel that converts from Judaism should automatically be treated with suspicion.

"So here is my deal for you:  However many posts you make in a day is my posting limit for the following day.  You have complete control over how often I post to this forum.  Given that you have said that you can take or leave this forum (and even written a post announcing that you quit) and given all the things that you have written about me, you should stop posting.  You would be giving up something that is no sacrifice in order to remove someone you consider a blot on the forum.

From now on, every post you make is a statement that I am not really so bad after all."

How many posts has Greg made today? By your reckoning, your last day to post is tomorrow. I will be keeping count. Get it all in while you can.

[christulsa]

Kung Fu at its finest.

[christulsa]

Pork rind nachos, covered in bacon.  Thank you Jesus for allowing us to eat pig. 

[dellery]

Zionism loves antisemitism; it's what gives them and their state legitimacy.
Antisemitism is also what Zionists use to help drive Jewish emigration into Israel. Netanyahu has very ambiguously stated many times the Jews need to move to Israel before they're attacked. Are these threats or warnings? Many Ultra-Orthodox Jews believe Zionists benefited greatly from the Holocaust, I agree. Qui bono?

There is a war going on between Israel and much of the world though, and groups like Chabad Lubavich are striving for the realization of prophecies, put forth by sages like Baal Shem Tov, calling for the conquering of Crimea and Constantinople by Russia, and the destruction of the Roman Empire (Catholic Church), in order to make the Messiah arrive.
Not to look like even more of a goofball, but there's a certain kind of black- magic in all of this as well. Talmudists believe Satan is a good angel and he is invoked to cause the gentiles to fall into sin and vice, hence the proliferation of porn, Hollywood movies, mass music, you name it.
The best defence against these attacks is to be virtuous and bold. Virtuous enough not to fall into hatred and other spiritually deleterious conditions, and bold enough to call these attacks for what they are.

[Vetus Ordo]

"One thing I've noticed about sedevacantists is that they don't appear to be less Judaized than other traditional Catholic groups. One of the striking signs I'd think one would find among the true remnant of Catholics would be a pronounced anti-Jewishness that sets them apart".

There's nothing wrong with that quote.

At least, on a historical level. Anti-Jewish sentiment has been an integral part of Christianity, East and West.

The words, in themselves, are reasonable enough.  Any problems come from the context and poster history.

Any problems come from the notion of Jewish exceptionalism.

No greater sin has ever befallen this earth than Jewish pride.

[PerEvangelicaDicta]

On this we can agree, VO.

Dellery, a lot of press (and discussion on Catholic radio) about the latest red heifer born a few days ago.

An all-red heifer was born at the Temple of Israel on Sept. 4, fulfilling a biblical prophecy to "reinstate purity to the world and the rebuilding of the Holy Temple," according to the temple's YouTube announcement.

The bolded is chilling.

[Kaesekopf]

The forum is not permitted to be used to undermine the Faith, but I think that only applied when there was moderation. That seems to be out the window for some reason.

I'm adopting a method of governance similar to the papacy these last 50 years.



No, mostly, I've been a bit overwhelmed in the "real world."  I've been working on catching up on long overdue moderation, and working avoid similar hiccups in moderation.

[Chestertonian]

On this we can agree, VO.

Dellery, a lot of press (and discussion on Catholic radio) about the latest red heifer born a few days ago.

An all-red heifer was born at the Temple of Israel on Sept. 4, fulfilling a biblical prophecy to "reinstate purity to the world and the rebuilding of the Holy Temple," according to the temple's YouTube announcement.

The bolded is chilling.

I wouldn't worry.  You really think that many Jews want to make grain offerings and sacrifice animals?

[GeorgeB]

On this we can agree, VO.

Dellery, a lot of press (and discussion on Catholic radio) about the latest red heifer born a few days ago.

An all-red heifer was born at the Temple of Israel on Sept. 4, fulfilling a biblical prophecy to "reinstate purity to the world and the rebuilding of the Holy Temple," according to the temple's YouTube announcement.

The bolded is chilling.

I wouldn't worry.  You really think that many Jews want to make grain offerings and sacrifice animals?

I think the danger is not so much Jews as the Protestant "Rapture crowd who go gaga over such things. They have been a stumbling block to Christians and Jews alike.

[PerEvangelicaDicta]

On this we can agree, VO.

Dellery, a lot of press (and discussion on Catholic radio) about the latest red heifer born a few days ago.

An all-red heifer was born at the Temple of Israel on Sept. 4, fulfilling a biblical prophecy to "reinstate purity to the world and the rebuilding of the Holy Temple," according to the temple's YouTube announcement.

The bolded is chilling.

I wouldn't worry.  You really think that many Jews want to make grain offerings and sacrifice animals?

They say so. 
I was referring to the significance of rebuilding the temple, not necessarily the blasphemy of sacrifices that the Orthodox want to restart, but from what I've read from their own sources it seems to be part of the plan. Leading up to that are attempts and re-enactments.

2016 (April):  Third Temple activists were arrested for attempting to bring live animal sacrifices to the Temple Mount for the Passover holiday.

and

the Third Temple Movement has focused on public reenactments of Temple rituals. The Passover sacrifice event, conducted annually since 2012, is the largest of the Third Temple Movement's ritual reenactments that take place in conjunction with Jewish holidays. These ritual events are referred to by activists as targilim, meaning exercises, because they allow activists to practice Temple rituals so that they will be ready to implement them when the Temple is rebuilt

Nothing good can come from rebuilding the temple that God destroyed and replaced with His Son.  The building of the temple is specifically to usher in their messiah.

And the many peoples shall go and say: "Come, let us go up to the Mount of Hashem, to the House of the God of Yaakov; that He may instruct us in His ways, and that we may walk in His paths." For Torah shall come forth from Tzion, the word of Hashem from Yerushalayim.
The third Temple will be a house of God for all nations. All people will visit Yerushalayim in order to learn Hashem's Torah and walk in His ways. Our generation is blessed to see this promise being fulfilled, with millions of non-Jews realizing that the word of God comes from Tzion and Yerushalayim.

God destroyed the first 2 temples, and Christ, who predicted the destruction in 70AD,   "also identified himself with the temple (John 2:13-22). The destruction of the temple thus ..parallels the destruction of Jesus' body on the cross, and Jesus takes the place of the temple for Christians (Rev. 21:22). "  That's Catholicism 101.

But this is critical, from the Third Temple Movement. They are setting this up to be worldwide rejection that the Messiah is Christ, and Christians are largely funding it.

For Third Temple supporters, largely members of Israel's religious-Zionist demographic who follow the theological interpretations of the Kook school of thought, the Third Temple is seen as the logical end point of Zionism. Now that Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel and national revival (in the form of a modern nation state) has been completed, Temple activists believe that the next step in fulfilling prophecy involves a revival of biblical Israelite culture and ritual practice. To this end, Temple activists believe they must physically rebuild the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in order to reinitiate a Jewish priesthood and the offering of animal sacrifices as described in the Torah and rabbinic commentaries. The rebuilding of the Temple, they believe, will occur alongside the establishment of a theocratic Torah state, ruled by a supreme court of rabbis called the "Sanhedrin." The rebuilding of the Third Temple and the establishment of this theocratic state will complete the Zionist process of national revival, ushering in messianic times and redemption for all of humanity. Third Temple activists believe that the entire world will come to recognize the Third Temple as the one true House of God and will also visit the future Third Temple as pilgrims.

The Kook school of thought (Ashkenazi Rabbi Kook) is rooted in kabbalah.

[Jayne]

The forum is not permitted to be used to undermine the Faith, but I think that only applied when there was moderation. That seems to be out the window for some reason.

I'm adopting a method of governance similar to the papacy these last 50 years.



No, mostly, I've been a bit overwhelmed in the "real world."  I've been working on catching up on long overdue moderation, and working avoid similar hiccups in moderation.

I have been concerned for some time that you have "too much on your plate".  I pray God give you strength and wisdom to govern this forum.

Thank you for giving me the chance to join this forum, even in the face of opposition.  And thank you for these years we have had together.

[Chestertonian]

On this we can agree, VO.

Dellery, a lot of press (and discussion on Catholic radio) about the latest red heifer born a few days ago.

An all-red heifer was born at the Temple of Israel on Sept. 4, fulfilling a biblical prophecy to "reinstate purity to the world and the rebuilding of the Holy Temple," according to the temple's YouTube announcement.

The bolded is chilling.

I wouldn't worry.  You really think that many Jews want to make grain offerings and sacrifice animals?

They say so. 
I was referring to the significance of rebuilding the temple, not necessarily the blasphemy of sacrifices that the Orthodox want to restart, but from what I've read from their own sources it seems to be part of the plan. Leading up to that are attempts and re-enactments.

2016 (April):  Third Temple activists were arrested for attempting to bring live animal sacrifices to the Temple Mount for the Passover holiday.

and

the Third Temple Movement has focused on public reenactments of Temple rituals. The Passover sacrifice event, conducted annually since 2012, is the largest of the Third Temple Movement's ritual reenactments that take place in conjunction with Jewish holidays. These ritual events are referred to by activists as targilim, meaning exercises, because they allow activists to practice Temple rituals so that they will be ready to implement them when the Temple is rebuilt

Nothing good can come from rebuilding the temple that God destroyed and replaced with His Son.  The building of the temple is specifically to usher in their messiah.

And the many peoples shall go and say: "Come, let us go up to the Mount of Hashem, to the House of the God of Yaakov; that He may instruct us in His ways, and that we may walk in His paths." For Torah shall come forth from Tzion, the word of Hashem from Yerushalayim.
The third Temple will be a house of God for all nations. All people will visit Yerushalayim in order to learn Hashem's Torah and walk in His ways. Our generation is blessed to see this promise being fulfilled, with millions of non-Jews realizing that the word of God comes from Tzion and Yerushalayim.

God destroyed the first 2 temples, and Christ, who predicted the destruction in 70AD,   "also identified himself with the temple (John 2:13-22). The destruction of the temple thus ..parallels the destruction of Jesus' body on the cross, and Jesus takes the place of the temple for Christians (Rev. 21:22). "  That's Catholicism 101.

But this is critical, from the Third Temple Movement. They are setting this up to be worldwide rejection that the Messiah is Christ, and Christians are largely funding it.

For Third Temple supporters, largely members of Israel's religious-Zionist demographic who follow the theological interpretations of the Kook school of thought, the Third Temple is seen as the logical end point of Zionism. Now that Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel and national revival (in the form of a modern nation state) has been completed, Temple activists believe that the next step in fulfilling prophecy involves a revival of biblical Israelite culture and ritual practice. To this end, Temple activists believe they must physically rebuild the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in order to reinitiate a Jewish priesthood and the offering of animal sacrifices as described in the Torah and rabbinic commentaries. The rebuilding of the Temple, they believe, will occur alongside the establishment of a theocratic Torah state, ruled by a supreme court of rabbis called the "Sanhedrin." The rebuilding of the Third Temple and the establishment of this theocratic state will complete the Zionist process of national revival, ushering in messianic times and redemption for all of humanity. Third Temple activists believe that the entire world will come to recognize the Third Temple as the one true House of God and will also visit the future Third Temple as pilgrims.

The Kook school of thought (Ashkenazi Rabbi Kook) is rooted in kabbalah.

This does not reflect what the majority of Jews would want.  You have to realize that just because Rabbi Weirdstein somewhere says something somewhere doesn't mean that the majority of jews actually care.  You really think most jews would want to go sacrifice doves in a temple?  That would first involve catching a dove and then getting your hands dirty.  Not gonna happen.  Maybe they'd sacrifice a bar of Dove soap

[erin is nice]

Ding, dong, the witch is dead!