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The Natural Sciences / Re: Flat Earth
« Last post by St. Columba on Today at 06:59:23 PM »
Here is a simple argument as to why I don't believe in a flat earth.  This is what I came up with, anyways...

If the sun is circling above the earth, it is doing so with (roughly) 24 hour cycles.  However, in the winter months (from a northern hemisphere perspective) the sun must be moving significantly faster to maintain the 24 hours cycle than in the summer.  I have not studied this stuff in any depth, but I would surmise that the sun would have to be travelling about 3 to 4 times faster in mid winter than in mid summer.

But here is the kicker: throughout the whole year, the sun must speed up every minute of every day, and then slow down later in the year every minute of every day precisely so as to maintain a 24 hour night-day cycle each and every day throughout the entire earth!  There is no credible, natural explanation for this under the flat earth model....whereas a turning globe very naturally accounts for the 24hr cycles each day of the year.
Douay-Rheims Genesis 8: [21] And the Lord smelled a sweet savour, and said: I will no more curse the earth for the sake of man: for the imagination and thought of man's heart are prone to evil from his youth: therefore I will no more destroy every living soul as I have done. [22] All the days of the earth, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, night and day, shall not cease.
Fr. Chad Ripperger talks about demons of the air in this video (below). Besides this one, I recall another video where he witnessed how a bishop of Nebraska exorcised demons of the air during tornado season, and it successfully protected the community from severe damage and death.

In this video, he describes blessed candles as a way to limit demons of the air in a home. Then he describes the effect of these demons on weather. This part of the discussion begins at 38:00 if you want to hear just that part. He mentions the famine in La Salette.

I side with Fr. Ripperger on this topic since he is an exorcist.  I believe that extreme weather and hardship could be due to 1)chastisement by God of man for sins, like at La Salette, or 2)demons of the air who want to persecute men because they hate us.

I find it fascinating that Our Lady of La Salette said that weather patterns are going to change.  About 40:00 minutes into the video.  Global warming?  Hmm.

Utterly disgusting.

Save the 1 spokesperson Rebecca Kiessling, who was conceived in rape, was discouraged by NRLC’s decision. She writes on Facebook: “NRLC’s actions in support of rape exceptions and against Georgia Right to Life are disgraceful to the prolife no exceptions cause.” It is now “clear that the emperor has no clothes, and they will need to be told so.”

The controversy seems to point to a fundamental question within the pro-life movement: what is the standard for being pro-life?
The reference you are sarcastically looking for is the angels fallen from the Choir of Virtues/Powers, as they control seasons, etc.

Given that they did not lose their angelic nature (and with it, given powers) by falling from grace, it stands to reason they would retain such powers and as is within God's permissive will, could cause changes in weather via seasonal affectations. Whether or not God allows them to do so is within His purview. But they remain in potential to do anything within their power.

Even in good, no angel does something without it being God's will (actively or permissively), so the question title must assume that their causation is in secondary agency.
Have you not read the beginning of the book of Job, as James03 referenced? It clearly shows how God can permit something within the nature of even a fallen angel, such as Lucifer. God is accused of specially protecting Job, so God tells Lucifer to do whatever he wants but not to harm Job himself. Why, then, if a fallen angel had been given power over weather for good, and in falling, desired it for evil, would it be impossible that with God's permission he could do weather which is harmful to mankind? For even in such an evil as allowed by God's permissive will, much good would result -- though we might not understand how/why at this time. For example, in such a weather, reducing a man to weakness, the strength of God's grace might shine forth all the more. A man might fear freezing to death, and with grace have eternity before his eyes, and convert. A man might be prevented by the cold from stalking the streets. A woman prevented from selling her body. A child prevented from being run over because a drunkard's car won't start. The demons only see the suffering of the cold, and do not realize, or do not care, that their evil is in fact entirely under God's control.

[6] Now on a certain day when the sons of God came to stand before the Lord, Satan also was present among them. [7] And the Lord said to him: Whence comest thou? And he answered and said: I have gone round about the earth, and walked through it. [8] And the Lord said to him: Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a simple and upright man, and fearing God, and avoiding evil? [9] And Satan answering, said: Doth Job fear God in vain? [10] Hast not thou made a fence for him, and his house, and all his substance round about, blessed the works of his hands, and his possession hath increased on the earth?

[6] "The sons of God": The angels.-- Ibid. Satan also, etc. This passage represents to us in a figure, accommodated to the ways and understandings of men, 1. The restless endeavours of Satan against the servants of God; 2. That he can do nothing without God's permission; 3. That God doth not permit him to tempt them above their strength: but assists them by his divine grace in such manner, that the vain efforts of the enemy only serve to illustrate their virtue and increase their merit.

[11] But stretch forth thy hand a little, and touch all that he hath, and see if he blesseth thee not to thy face. [12] Then the Lord said to Satan: Behold, all that he hath is in thy hand: only put not forth thy hand upon his person. And Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
Job 1

But this consideration should not stop at the angels, for all good things must necessarily raise the heart and soul to God. And since Our Lady is above the angels, she becomes the nexus by which we are raised to ponder the Head of the Body of Christ.

And in pondering her, we are raised to think about the command of Christ to the weather to cease in the boat where the Apostles feared sinking. And so, if we are disposed to it, the demons have no power but to play into the hands of God and cannot escape His Providential decrees wherein despite a freely willed evil, good results in a way they cannot escape.

If one is childlike, they would not kick at the goads of this reality, but squeal with delight and clap like the children they should be. For in the fierce and brutal beauty of nature, and all of its mechanics (physical and spiritual) we even find cause of praising Our Lord despite the world being blind to such realities.

If I were a Mahometan, it is at this point I would shout "Takbir!" and you all would answer in a chorus of "Allahu Akbar!", no? ;)

So is it correct to understand that weather and astral phenomena such as planetary orbits don't have natural causes but rather preternatural causes?
Monarchy is the ideal solution for Western nations that have historical monarchs.

For countries such as the USA, a benevolent fascist dictatorship à la Franco would greatly improve matters.
I read through this amazing thread off and on as it was going on.  Many of the objections to the systems were well thought out, and I enjoyed when sources where cited and I was amused a bit that St. Alphonsus more or less said the same things about the various systems as he critiqued them before suggesting his own.  I also wanted to make a small book suggestion to those who are still considering the topic "How Grace Acts" by St. Alphonsus.  The translator of the work also provides a wonderful synopsis of the dogmatic texts that we have to believe, and how this topic can sometimes damage our spiritual life. St. Alphonsus in the book delves into all the different systems (even ones not covered here) that were explored on how Grace operates (and in the end offers his own explanation).

You can buy it here if you are interested

You could probably read the work in an afternoon. 

The American Life League, the 1979 breakaway from the National Right to Life Committee, also supports the personhood of the unborn.  ALL broke away from National RTL because National RTL agreed to allow for legal abortion in the case of rape, incest, and health of the mother.  Judie Brown, the president of ALL wrote "Frankly, if each person who claims to be pro-life would passionately pursue personhood, abortion would be over in the twinkling of an eye".

Fascinating information about NRLC. I was not aware of that.

Utterly disgusting.
Coffee and Donuts / Re: A few things about me
« Last post by Scowler on Today at 05:41:20 PM »
Welcome, Scowler. I'm ManU forever. 8) Although the glory days with Sir Alex are long past. Christiano Ronaldo being poached by Real was bad enough; but Rooney going back to Everton just last year will almost surely seal my favorite club's fate in europe in the champions league. Oh well. Maybe Alexis Sanchez will swing the tide. Maybe not.

Quite a few years ago we had a cruise trip on the Mediterranean, and spent a week on the Canary Islands. We were both very sick (collected some stomach virus on the ship), but we had the opportunity to watch the ManU vs. ManC football game, and it was one of the best games we have ever seen. (Though not as good as the Germany vs. Brazil 7:1 World Cup semi-final in 2014.) :)

Peace, God bless and hope you find your way back to the Good Lord before entering eternity.

One can only hope. I am definitely willing, with God's help. :)
Ask a Traditionalist / Re: To Leave or Not Leave SSPX
« Last post by nmoerbeek on Today at 05:35:48 PM »
In my home country, I have been taking refuge at a small SSPX chapel for my Sunday obligation as an alternative to garbage Novus Ordo "masses" & an LGBT-affirming Latin Mass community (up to this day, I still can't believe it but it happened.) ... but lately, I'm getting protests from my parents that the priory is ridiculously far from home & we would have to incur extra transport costs (as my whole family & I are currently suffering a financial crisis) & I can't deny the fact the chapel is nowhere near to where I live, given there were (multiple) times when I barge into the middle of Holy Mass at the SSPX chapel with the craziest anxiety out of waiting for public transport (which can arrive at unreliable times & be delayed by traffic conditions no matter how early I wake from the bed & get out of home).

Yet very recently, I'm starting find myself questioning the authority of the SSPX as they would be having their General Chapter meeting this year ... I wonder why they act everything without the authority of the Pope & wonder why Archbishop Fellay can just elect a Superior General without consent from the Pope, the Head of the Church (& seeing that an Archbishop can be the boss of everything is just too hard for me to comprehend, me who badly yearns to reunite with the True Church of Rome despite its horribly messed-up state in this day & age & Pope Francis acts not-so-Catholic at times) ... I feel like I'm belonging to some underground cult rather than a real church ... yet the Archdiocese of my country is messed up. No one cares about true theology all except for my local SSPX. I love it, honestly - but I cannot fathom belonging to a club which boasts like it's a replacement for the Holy See & acts so freely without Rome's consent (albeit they care very deeply about the Pope) ... yet it's the only solution. I'm stranded.

(P.S: There's no FSSP in where I live, but the archdiocesan TLM community sprung out from the fruit of an FSSP priest long ago ... yet what to do when they take a "who are we to judge" stance towards LGBT Catholics ... sigh.)

There are a number of issues here and I think you should break down the problems in a different way:

1)  Is it the cost associated with travelling to the Mass the main reason to stop going.  Harmony in our domestic life with whom we live is very important. If it is the main reason to stop going this is discussion between you and your family, and the decision will only last as long as their is real hardship.

2)  Is it the distance for Mass?  Once again, it is one thing to travel for Mass it is another thing if someone is spending 6 hours a day in the car on a Sunday.  The question then becomes is the benefit of attending the SSPX worth the time difference in just raw travel vs going to a closer Mass and spending time in personal prayer, reading and other good works.  Once again family is a big consideration, and this is probably a question to explore with your family first and then possibly your confessor.

3)  Is it the status of the SSPX?  Is it fear of sin? Or is it a cult?   If it is a question of the status of the SSPX because you don't like how they are doing what they do and you feel that these feelings or conscience interfere with your ability to benefit from their administration of the sacraments, or you feel that it is a sin then I would take it up with a confessor.  If you are looking for a spouse at Church, or friendships you are probably going to run into more people who strongly approve of the SSPX then disapprove of them going there.  However, unless you are looking to foster these relationships I would not be overly concerned.  Nothing stops you either if the homilies are more concerned about ecclesiastical polemics then Catechism from bringing some writings from the Fathers with you.

I don't envy the situation you are in.  I hope you receive the grace you need to come to a resolution that brings you peace in the service of Our Lord.
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