Started by TerrorDæmonum, January 30, 2022, 05:43:46 AM
Quote from: The Politics, Book 1 Part IIHence it is evident that the state is a creation of nature, and that man is by nature a political animal. And he who by nature and not by mere accident is without a state, is either a bad man or above humanity
Quote from: The Politics, Book 1 Part IIBut he who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god: he is no part of a state.
Quote from: Catechism of Pius XThe Sacrament of MatrimonyNature of the Sacrament of Matrimony1 Q. What is the sacrament of Matrimony?A. Matrimony is a sacrament, instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ, which creates a holy and indissoluble union between a man and woman, and gives them grace to love one another holily and to bring up their children as Christians.2 Q. By whom was Matrimony instituted?A. Matrimony was instituted by God Himself in the Garden of Paradise, and was raised to the dignity of a sacrament by Jesus Christ in the New Law.
Quote from: Catechism of Pius XThe Sacrament of Holy Orders13 Q. If one were to enter the ecclesiastical state without a divine vocation would he do wrong?A. If one were to enter the ecclesiastical state without a divine vocation he would commit a great wrong and run the risk of being lost.
Quote from: 1 Corinthians 7:32But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God.
Quote from: Baltimore CatechismQ. 126. What do we mean by the "end of man"?A. By the "end of man" we mean the purpose for which he was created: namely, to know, love, and serve God.
Quote from: Luke 14:26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Quote from: Matthew 9:9-12And when Jesus passed on from hence, he saw a man sitting in the custom house, named Matthew; and he saith to him: Follow me. And he rose up and followed him. And it came to pass as he was sitting at meat in the house, behold many publicans and sinners came, and sat down with Jesus and his disciples.And the Pharisees seeing it, said to his disciples: Why doth your master eat with publicans and sinners? But Jesus hearing it, said: They that are in health need not a physician, but they that are ill.
Quote from: Matthew 23:1-3Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
Quote from: Matthew 18:17And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Quote from: Matthew 22:16-18And they sent to him their disciples with the Herodians, saying: Master, we know that thou art a true speaker, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou dost not regard the person of men. Tell us therefore what dost thou think, is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? But Jesus knowing their wickedness, said: Why do you tempt me, ye hypocrites?
Quote from: 46-50But some of them went to the Pharisees, and told them the things that Jesus had done. The chief priests therefore, and the Pharisees, gathered a council, and said: What do we, for this man doth many miracles? If we let him alone so, all will believe in him; and the Romans will come, and take away our place and nation. But one of them, named Caiphas, being the high priest that year, said to them: You know nothing. Neither do you consider that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
Quote from: Ecclesiasticus 7:40In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin.
Quote from: Wisdom 7:5-6For none of the kings had any other beginning of birth. For all men have one entrance into life, and the like going out.
Quote from: Mark 10:42-44But Jesus calling them, saith to them: You know that they who seem to rule over the Gentiles, lord it over them: and their princes have power over them. But it is not so among you: but whosoever will be greater, shall be your minister. And whosoever will be first among you, shall be the servant of all. For the Son of man also is not come to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a redemption for many.
Quote from: The PoliticsPart IIHe who thus considers things in their first growth and origin, whether a state or anything else, will obtain the clearest view of them. In the first place there must be a union of those who cannot exist without each other; namely, of male and female, that the race may continue (and this is a union which is formed, not of deliberate purpose, but because, in common with other animals and with plants, mankind have a natural desire to leave behind them an image of themselves), and of natural ruler and subject, that both may be preserved. For that which can foresee by the exercise of mind is by nature intended to be lord and master, and that which can with its body give effect to such foresight is a subject, and by nature a slave; hence master and slave have the same interest. Now nature has distinguished between the female and the slave. For she is not niggardly, like the smith who fashions the Delphian knife for many uses; she makes each thing for a single use, and every instrument is best made when intended for one and not for many uses. But among barbarians no distinction is made between women and slaves, because there is no natural ruler among them: they are a community of slaves, male and female. Wherefore the poets say, "It is meet that Hellenes should rule over barbarians; " as if they thought that the barbarian and the slave were by nature one.Out of these two relationships between man and woman, master and slave, the first thing to arise is the family, and Hesiod is right when he says, "First house and wife and an ox for the plough," for the ox is the poor man's slave. The family is the association established by nature for the supply of men's everyday wants, and the members of it are called by Charondas 'companions of the cupboard,' and by Epimenides the Cretan, 'companions of the manger.' But when several families are united, and the association aims at something more than the supply of daily needs, the first society to be formed is the village. And the most natural form of the village appears to be that of a colony from the family, composed of the children and grandchildren, who are said to be suckled 'with the same milk.' And this is the reason why Hellenic states were originally governed by kings; because the Hellenes were under royal rule before they came together, as the barbarians still are. Every family is ruled by the eldest, and therefore in the colonies of the family the kingly form of government prevailed because they were of the same blood. As Homer says: "Each one gives law to his children and to his wives."For they lived dispersedly, as was the manner in ancient times. Wherefore men say that the Gods have a king, because they themselves either are or were in ancient times under the rule of a king. For they imagine, not only the forms of the Gods, but their ways of life to be like their own.When several villages are united in a single complete community, large enough to be nearly or quite self-sufficing, the state comes into existence, originating in the bare needs of life, and continuing in existence for the sake of a good life. And therefore, if the earlier forms of society are natural, so is the state, for it is the end of them, and the nature of a thing is its end. For what each thing is when fully developed, we call its nature, whether we are speaking of a man, a horse, or a family. Besides, the final cause and end of a thing is the best, and to be self-sufficing is the end and the best.Hence it is evident that the state is a creation of nature, and that man is by nature a political animal. And he who by nature and not by mere accident is without a state, is either a bad man or above humanity; he is like the "Tribeless, lawless, hearthless one, " whom Homer denounces- the natural outcast is forthwith a lover of war; he may be compared to an isolated piece at draughts.Now, that man is more of a political animal than bees or any other gregarious animals is evident. Nature, as we often say, makes nothing in vain, and man is the only animal whom she has endowed with the gift of speech. And whereas mere voice is but an indication of pleasure or pain, and is therefore found in other animals (for their nature attains to the perception of pleasure and pain and the intimation of them to one another, and no further), the power of speech is intended to set forth the expedient and inexpedient, and therefore likewise the just and the unjust. And it is a characteristic of man that he alone has any sense of good and evil, of just and unjust, and the like, and the association of living beings who have this sense makes a family and a state.Further, the state is by nature clearly prior to the family and to the individual, since the whole is of necessity prior to the part; for example, if the whole body be destroyed, there will be no foot or hand, except in an equivocal sense, as we might speak of a stone hand; for when destroyed the hand will be no better than that. But things are defined by their working and power; and we ought not to say that they are the same when they no longer have their proper quality, but only that they have the same name. The proof that the state is a creation of nature and prior to the individual is that the individual, when isolated, is not self-sufficing; and therefore he is like a part in relation to the whole. But he who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god: he is no part of a state. A social instinct is implanted in all men by nature, and yet he who first founded the state was the greatest of benefactors. For man, when perfected, is the best of animals, but, when separated from law and justice, he is the worst of all; since armed injustice is the more dangerous, and he is equipped at birth with arms, meant to be used by intelligence and virtue, which he may use for the worst ends. Wherefore, if he have not virtue, he is the most unholy and the most savage of animals, and the most full of lust and gluttony. But justice is the bond of men in states, for the administration of justice, which is the determination of what is just, is the principle of order in political society.
Quote from: Pæniteo on January 30, 2022, 05:43:46 AMIt is noted that man is a political animal by nature. In short, the ancient Philosopher observed that the union of male and female individual created the family, and the union of families (or an extended family) creates a village, and the union of villages creates the state. The family is the basic component of society and that the development of the state is completely natural for humans.He also notes that those who do not have a state, that is, those who exist on their own are either beasts or gods:
QuoteThere are those with political vocations, to be leaders of men. There are saints who were kings of nations. That is their vocation. If it is not one's own, it would be dangerous to pursue that end. Politics is for politicians. Everything has a time and a place, and we should be every mindful of this. Prudence must reign.
Quote from: Michael Wilson on January 30, 2022, 12:11:42 PMJoseph, I like the format of the article, with the brief summary of the main arguments at the beginning.
QuoteThe Syllogism is then: Major: Some men have the vocation and are called to be leaders of men. Minor: If one is not called to this state, it would be dangerous to pursue it. Conclusion (I think): To pursue politics ( at least excessively), is incompatible with most people's state of life and can be dangerous for their salvation. Correct?
QuoteEven though the unmarried state and with greatest detachment from this world is conducive to the greatest spiritual perfection,
Quote from: james03 on January 30, 2022, 05:21:00 PMYou have to be very careful with this statement.
Quote from: Summa Theologica, Second Part of the Second Part, Question 152Article 4. Whether virginity is more excellent than marriage?On the contrary, Augustine says (De Virgin. xix): "Both solid reason and the authority of Holy Writ show that neither is marriage sinful, nor is it to be equaled to the good of virginal continence or even to that of widowhood."I answer that, According to Jerome (Contra Jovin. i) the error of Jovinian consisted in holding virginity not to be preferable to marriage. This error is refuted above all by the example of Christ Who both chose a virgin for His mother, and remained Himself a virgin, and by the teaching of the Apostle who (1 Corinthians 7) counsels virginity as the greater good. It is also refuted by reason, both because a Divine good takes precedence of a human good, and because the good of the soul is preferable to the good of the body, and again because the good of the contemplative life is better than that of the active life. Now virginity is directed to the good of the soul in respect of the contemplative life, which consists in thinking "on the things of God" [Vulgate: 'the Lord'], whereas marriage is directed to the good of the body, namely the bodily increase of the human race, and belongs to the active life, since the man and woman who embrace the married life have to think "on the things of the world," as the Apostle says (1 Corinthians 7:34). Without doubt therefore virginity is preferable to conjugal continence.
QuoteWhether or not it is better for any individual is a matter of vocation and that was addressed in the post.
Quote from: james03 on January 30, 2022, 05:21:00 PMDoesn't mean that the man is sinning, or even that the man did something wrong, it just means something went wrong.
QuoteSummary of key points: 1. Man is a political animal by nature, but the kingdom of God is not of this world 2. Be not solicitous (it is a sin) 3. No temporal goods are our last end and we should always be mindful of this in all things, regardless of our vocation 4. In particular, do not worry about politics.
QuoteMan is made in order to attain his end which is with God. Man must understand that he was created for this and that he must wish to attain it. Now God has placed man in such conditions that man cannot live outside of society. Therefore, in as much as man is a social being, he must have God as his final and supreme end..
QuoteA. Undoubtedly. Man is crated in such a way as to be made for society. By his very nature and the conditioning of his existence, he is called to live in Society. Jesus Christ became man in order to lead man to the eternal beatitude. Therefore the Divine Redeemer must have an effective influence over all conditions by which He must lead man to his end. But man, being made for society, must tend towards his last end as a social being, that is, by means of society for which he is made. This society cannot be a final end, but only a means. In order to be a means, society must be sanctified, and must sanctify. This is not possible other than by the Blessed Humanity of Christ, and in Christ. Therefore it is obvious that a special relation must exit between the Blessed Humanity of Christ and the social order established in the world.