Evidence for historical Jesus?

[Greg]

What are the arguments for historical Jesus.

It's common to hear from atheists that there's no independent evidence that Jesus existed.

What arguments are there to refute this?

Mary and Joseph attended a census in Bethlehem.  Presumably the Romans had a record of that census and could have narrowed down every person who came to a small village of Bethlehem with ease.  Would not the Roman emperors who wanted to stamp out Christians have checked the census to confirm Jesus existed if there was any doubt?

[ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez]

It's common to hear from atheists that there's no independent evidence that Jesus existed.

It's excruciatingly stupid.  There are numerous non-Christian accounts of His life.  Thirty seconds of googling would disabuse any of them of this notion.

[LausTibiChriste]

Check out Dr. John Bergsma. He had a fascinating talk on Matt Fradd's podcast (please don't shoot me for admitting that, I swear I'm not a modernist)...and he had all sorts of amazing insights into the historicity of the Bible. I can't remember if he touched on Jesus specifically, but I do recall he had some insight into how the way and the timings of the Gospels prove that Jesus had to have existed.

[Greg]

It's common to hear from atheists that there's no independent evidence that Jesus existed.

It's excruciatingly stupid.  There are numerous non-Christian accounts of His life.  Thirty seconds of googling would disabuse any of them of this notion.

I thought there was only one.  Josepheus

[ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez]

It's common to hear from atheists that there's no independent evidence that Jesus existed.

It's excruciatingly stupid.  There are numerous non-Christian accounts of His life.  Thirty seconds of googling would disabuse any of them of this notion.

I thought there was only one.  Josepheus

There are more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus

Further:

The question of historicity was settled in scholarship in the early 20th century, and mythicism is rejected as a fringe theory by virtually all mainstream scholars of antiquity, and has been considered fringe for more than two centuries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

[LausTibiChriste]

What about the Shroud too?

[josh987654321]

What about the Shroud too?

They claim carbon dating put it around 1200 AD, however, it was later claimed this testing was faulty as it was done on a corner piece which was repaired around 1200 AD and apparently carbon dating elsewhere put it around 33 AD.

I don't have the sources for this as I read it a long time ago now when I did look into it and personally I believe it is the real shroud, but that's as far as I can go on that at the moment.

There are more.

Thanks, I'll give those a read, I know Wikipedia can be ordinary at times and I've found them omitting some things in the past, however, as a general guide it's rather handy sometimes, can certainly help point in the right direction sometimes.

One thing that can be troublesome, is the insistence of 'unbiased' sources, as nobody leaves an encounter with Christ 'unbiased' as the very magnitude and implications of such events cannot leave one totally indifferent to such divine revelation IMO.

God Bless 

[ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez]

Thanks, I'll give those a read, I know Wikipedia can be ordinary at times and I've found them omitting some things in the past, however, as a general guide it's rather handy sometimes, can certainly help point in the right direction sometimes.

The way I approach Wikipedia is this:

If the demonic libtard agenda stands to gain from deceiving me about a particular proposition, then I can't trust Wikipedia's stance on that proposition.

But when Wikipedia says that Christ definitely existed?  Yeah, I'm fine with that.

[Joseph_3]

What are the arguments for historical Jesus.

It's common to hear from atheists that there's no independent evidence that Jesus existed.

What arguments are there to refute this?

Mary and Joseph attended a census in Bethlehem.  Presumably the Romans had a record of that census and could have narrowed down every person who came to a small village of Bethlehem with ease.  Would not the Roman emperors who wanted to stamp out Christians have checked the census to confirm Jesus existed if there was any doubt?

Just use the usual ones. It doesn't matter what grand evidence you might procure, they'll reject it anyway.

[TradGranny]

Have the athiests read Will and Ariel Durrant (both athiests) eleven-volume series of books called The Story of Civilization. See the book on Christ and Caesar. Back when I was a lost atheist, it convinced me that Jesus Christ really lived, died and was Resurrected.