Question for Croix de Fer

[Jayne]

It feels like half of this forum is Nietzscheans, gnostics, perennialists, and Christian Identity people. I believe we discussed this problem as recently as six months ago. It's past time to be banning these twerps.

Well said.  At one point, since there were some members who wanted to have discussions with non-Catholics, while other members who did not like such discussions, we started a sub-forum for them.  This was meant to be a compromise, allowing the discussions for those who wanted them,but making them easily avoided by those who did not.

But there is nowhere on this forum free from non-Catholic ideas now. They turn up everywhere.  If we can't have moderators enforcing that non-Catholic discussion is contained, then it does not  work to have so many people here who post non-Catholic ideas.  Banning them, as Graham suggests, is the solution that springs to mind.

[Greg]

Never compromise with bad willed people or idiots.

It never works.

[awkwardcustomer]

I am less concerned with heresy when it comes from nutters, because nutters only convert other nutters.  And not many.

Nobody would convert me who taught flat-earth nonsense.   It is so unbelivably stupid.

Just as you need magnets to remove metal particles from food, you need idiot magnets to keep Traditionalist chapels sane.  The best thing that happened to the SSPX in the last 20 years was The Resistance.  All of the worst morons, and reactionary idiots who panic over a 90,000 dollar water bill because they cannot read a water meter, or use their common sense, left.  The kind of irrational freaks who make themselves bishops.

When Vetus Ordo becomes an apologist for Islam, that is when I worry, because he is intelligent and well read.  I actually liked the guy.

What?  Vetus Ordo IS an apologist for Islam.  He posts endless articles on Islam' wonders, its scholarship, its teachings.  Where have you been?

Too busy going after Croix de Fer, who may be a bit of a nutter, but at least he doesn't pretend to be an intellectual.  It's not just you though, is it Greg.  The pack is circling around Croix de Fer and the slimey Vetus Ordo is JOINING IN!  And you admire his intellectual prowess!

Vetus Ordo has all the trappings that Trads admire so much and Croix de Fer never stops banging on about the Jews.  Since I find it impossible to believe that the proportion of psychopaths in the Jewish population is any higher than in any other population, I find C de F's obsession to be entirely misplaced and unpleasant.  But at least it's out in the open where we can all see it. 

Meanwhile, Vetus Ordo plays a far cleverer game and you fall for it because he displays all the trappings that are admired in Trad circles.  But it is all appearances and can be acquired and used to manipulate people.

I'm sure lot's of people admired Carlos Urrutigoity's intellectual prowess, his manners and his smooth talk. 

[Greg]

And for that reason I am saying I am worried more about Vetus than women hating, nazi loving nutters.

What sent him off the deep end I shudder to think.  Perhaps he is in love with an Islamic woman.

Or they must have some really strong Crack Cocaine there in Madeira.

Because Islam is so obviously bollocks.

[Greg]

Any religion that bans booze and bacon can only be of Satan.

[awkwardcustomer]

And for that reason I am saying I am worried more about Vetus than women hating, nazi loving nutters.

What sent him off the deep end I shudder to think.  Perhaps he is in love with an Islamic woman.

Or they must have some really strong Crack Cocaine there in Madeira.

Because Islam is so obviously bollocks.

Now I'm completely confused. You're not worried about Vetus Ordo but you are.  Okay.

I see a mob circling around Croix de Fer and Vetus Ordo joining in. 

[Croix de Fer]

Meanwhile, Vetus Ordo plays a far cleverer

Vetus Ordo isn't clever, nor is he intellectual. Yesterday, I called out his logical fallacy manifested in two separate posts that contradicted each other within about an hour. Nothing but crickets from him because he knows I'm right.

[Jayne]

Now I'm completely confused. You're not worried about Vetus Ordo but you are.  Okay.

You misunderstood Greg's comment.  He did not say that he was not worried about VO.

When Vetus Ordo becomes an apologist for Islam, that is when I worry, because he is intelligent and well read.  I actually liked the guy.

Greg is saying that this is something that has already occurred. (And that before it happened, he liked VO. The implication is that Greg no longer does.)

Greg uses present tense here, rather than past tense, to indicate that VO represents a general case.  When VO becomes an apologist for Islam (which already happened) or anything similar happens (either in the past of future), Greg worries more than he does about nutters.  It is not a contrafactual or conditional.

[awkwardcustomer]

What a pity the mob baying for Croix de Fer's blood isn't as subtle as Greg.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

[Croix de Fer]

What a pity the mob baying for Croix de Fer's blood isn't as subtle as Greg.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

It's weird because Jayne(K) defended me numerous times at CathInfo but she flipped on me here. ahahahahahahahaha !!!!!

[awkwardcustomer]

Meanwhile, Vetus Ordo plays a far cleverer

Vetus Ordo isn't clever, nor is he intellectual. Yesterday, I called out his logical fallacy manifested in two separate posts that contradicted each other within about an hour. Nothing but crickets from him because he knows I'm right.

Vetus Ordo plays a clever game though.  Note how this thread was started by his sidekick Fleur-de-Lys, who shares his intellectual, culinary and linguistic pretentions.  Diverting attention away from themselves and onto you is crafty, don't you think.

[John Lamb]

Caligula is supposed to have tried to place a statue of himself in the temple of Jerusalem in order to test the Jews' loyalty there.  The recalcitrance and self-aggrandizing haughtiness of the God of the Hebrews was unpalatable to the Romans—whether in his primary priesthood or in his various sectarian devotees (Christians, Samaritans, Bar Kokhbans, &c.)

Poor benighted Hebrews, refusing to put a debased and effeminate tyrant on the same level as the omnipotent Creator of heaven and earth. Even more silly than Socrates being executed for suggesting that deities don't fornicate with each other and rape human beings.

[Jayne]

What a pity the mob baying for Croix de Fer's blood isn't as subtle as Greg.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

It's weird because Jayne(K) defended me numerous times at CathInfo but she flipped on me here. ahahahahahahahaha !!!!!

I agree with many of your ideas when you express them in your own words.  Both on CI and here, I objected to you using videos from heretics.  On CI, Matthew stepped in to limit your use of videos, so I did not need to say much about it.  Since there has been no such intervention here, I have much more to say.

I started out giving the most positive interpretation possible of your use of "Hebrew Israelite" in your profile, but when you post videos from blatantly heretical Hebrew Israelites, I can no longer do that.

[Greg]

We are not baying for his blood we just know CFD will contribute nothing, learn nothing and piss people off.  So it is only upside if he is banned.

We know what he thinks of the forum, so we already know his motive is to cause trouble.

[Croix de Fer]

Meanwhile, Vetus Ordo plays a far cleverer

Vetus Ordo isn't clever, nor is he intellectual. Yesterday, I called out his logical fallacy manifested in two separate posts that contradicted each other within about an hour. Nothing but crickets from him because he knows I'm right.

Vetus Ordo plays a clever game though.  Note how this thread was started by his sidekick Fleur-de-Lys, who shares his intellectual, culinary and linguistic pretentions.  Diverting attention away from themselves and onto you is crafty, don't you think.

LOL