Busted: Gov't Admits Vaccines Cause Autism

[Habitual_Ritual]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0glbc0S3sA[/yt]

[Quaremerepulisti]

This is beyond stupid, although what do you expect from infowars.

[mikemac]

There is a push for mandatory vaccinations in Canada.

This petition just started to stop it.
https://www.change.org/p/justin-trudeau-stop-mandatory-vaccinations-in-canada?recruiter=38983617&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_page&utm_term=des-lg-supporter_signature_milestone_email-custom_msg&fb_ref=Default

[Heinrich]

This is beyond stupid, although what do you expect from infowars.

Can you dissect it and refute it with scientific and objective evidence?

[Baldrick]

This is beyond stupid, although what do you expect from infowars.

Can you dissect it and refute it with scientific and objective evidence?

Why do that when a dismissive word - with a bit of ol' genetic fallacy thrown in - should suffice? 

[Quaremerepulisti]

This is beyond stupid, although what do you expect from infowars.

Can you dissect it and refute it with scientific and objective evidence?

Refute what, exactly?  The claim that because autism was reported (by parents; this is not a diagnosis by a medical professional, and we don't know how many times, and we don't know at what age) as an "adverse reaction" to administration of a DPT vaccine during infancy (which means, ASD symptoms were seen some time, maybe years later, after the administration of the vaccine), without a control group to compare prevalence to, means that the DTP vaccine is causing autism, and the government is, at long last, admitting it?



Beyond stupid. 

[Quaremerepulisti]

This is beyond stupid, although what do you expect from infowars.

Can you dissect it and refute it with scientific and objective evidence?

Why do that when a dismissive word - with a bit of ol' genetic fallacy thrown in - should suffice?

Not a genetic fallacy.  The "dismissive word" is merited quite well on its own.

[Prayerful]

Infowars is a reliable place to find nonsense. Vaccines causing autism is just one bit of nonsense there. The disgraced former doctor Andrew Wakefield still cannot snap out of it. The sad thing is that child still suffer based on that false belief, which he played a notable part in disseminating.

[Habitual_Ritual]

Vaccines causing autism is just one bit of nonsense there.

Yeah, even when they show vaccine inserts saying just this. lol

[Prayerful]

I will not debate settled science. Some children have died agonising deaths because of their parent's refusal to get jabs for their kids. Failing to get a tetanus jab can mean an agonising death for a child. Vaxxed is nonsense produced by a completely discredited man. The vaccine inserts do not say that. I would instance MMR:

https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

[LausTibiChriste]

Wait, we're anti-vaxxers now too? Im having a tough time keeping track of all the conspiracy theories we're supposed to believe

[Flora]

This is beyond stupid, although what do you expect from infowars.

Can you dissect it and refute it with scientific and objective evidence?

Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism

Importance  Despite research showing no link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism spectrum disorders (ASD), beliefs that the vaccine causes autism persist, leading to lower vaccination levels. Parents who already have a child with ASD may be especially wary of vaccinations.

Objective  To report ASD occurrence by MMR vaccine status in a large sample of US children who have older siblings with and without ASD.

Design, Setting, and Participants  A retrospective cohort study using an administrative claims database associated with a large commercial health plan. Participants included children continuously enrolled in the health plan from birth to at least 5 years of age during 2001-2012 who also had an older sibling continuously enrolled for at least 6 months between 1997 and 2012.

Exposures  MMR vaccine receipt (0, 1, 2 doses) after 1 year of age.

Main Outcomes and Measures  ASD status defined as 2 claims with a diagnosis code in any position for autistic disorder or other specified pervasive developmental disorder (PDD) including Asperger syndrome, or unspecified PDD (International Classification of Diseases, Ninth Revision, Clinical Modification 299.0x, 299.8x, 299.9x).

Results  Of 95?727 children with older siblings, 994 (1.04%) were diagnosed with ASD and 1929 (2.02%) had an older sibling with ASD. Of those with older siblings with ASD, 134 (6.9%) had ASD, vs 860 (0.9%) children with unaffected siblings (P?<?.001). MMR vaccination rates (?1 dose) were 84% (n?=?78?549) at age 2 years and 92% (n?=?86?063) at age 5 years for children with unaffected older siblings, vs 73% (n?=?1409) at age 2 years and 86% (n?=?1660) at age 5 years for children with affected siblings. MMR vaccine receipt was not associated with an increased risk of ASD at any age. For children with older siblings with ASD, at age 2, the adjusted relative risk (RR) of ASD for 1 dose of MMR vaccine vs no vaccine was 0.76 (95% CI, 0.48-1.22; P?=?.25), and at age 5, the RR of ASD for 2 doses compared with no vaccine was 0.56 (95% CI, 0.30-1.04; P?=?.07). For children whose older siblings did not have ASD, at age 2, the adjusted RR of ASD for 1 dose was 0.91 (95% CI, 0.68-1.20; P?=?.50) and at age 5, the RR of ASD for 2 doses was 1.09 (95% CI, 0.76-1.54; P?=?.65).

Conclusions and Relevance  In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2275444

Study was done with 95,727 children. See the link for full paper with figures. Sorry if formatting is off. Posting from mobile. There are plenty of other studies dealing with other vaccines as well.

From the evidence, I must conclude that vaccines do not cause autism. That being said, the whole self-righteous medical and scientific community painting anti-vaxxers as idiots and trying to force vaccinations upon the public under pain of social and governmental retribution is completely inappropriate. In our capitalistic democratic society, people are naturally going to be more wary of something if it is forced upon them, e.g., fluoridated water, forced upon them under pain of punishment, e.g., public holocaust deniers being thrown into prison in Europe, or given out for free, e.g., flu shots.

Instead of having calm, civilized discussions in which pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine peeps share and compare evidence, both sides seem to be so self-righteous over this issue.

[dellery]

You can't have a discussion with a crowd-follower; they have no ideas of their own, and only regurgitate the phrases that have sentimentally triggered them. There can be no exchange of ideas when one of the involved parties has no ideas to exchange and mindlessly repeats catch-phrases and uses isolated and unsuccessive pseudo-evidence to argue their point.

Anti-Vaxxers strategically weaken us as a nation, and put innocent children, who depend on a prudent and secure upbringing, at serious risk.

[Gardener]

Dunno about studies, but I know at least 2 people whose children presented as perfectly healthy and normal until they were given vaccines. Upon vaccination they went full retard. 

[Habitual_Ritual]

I will not debate settled science.

Science is never settled.