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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Opulence in Restaurant Foo...

Last post by LausTibiChriste - Today at 12:57:16 AM

In my honest opinion, eating out is horrid. Horrid food, horrid prices. Horrid I tell you.

I love eating out but I grew up in restaurants so to each his own I guess

#2

The Sedevacantist Thesis / Re: 1P5 Article: The New Rite ...

Last post by Bonaventure - Today at 12:47:24 AM

Nishant,

Sorry but it is a weak article.

#3

The Sedevacantist Thesis / Re: The Dark Meaning of John P...

Last post by Bonaventure - Today at 12:46:22 AM

Another problem with the thesis that the "Popes are kings", is that Paul VI deposed his crown, i.e. His Papal tiara, and he has been so far the last Pope to be crowned. Also going backwards, that would mean that Popes Pius XII & Pius XI (and before the election of Francis, Benedict XV), are also "heads of the beast".

That tiara was a gift from the city of Milan and even Francis accepted a tiara albeit without wearing it. Roman emperors only took to wearing a crown of sorts from around the 3rd century with a sort of radiate crown, and there was no coronation, salute by soldiers and later the emperor would be raised on a shield. Kingship is as much about a reality as externals like crowns or other regalia. Some kings like I think in Norway are invested and there is no liturgical crowning like QE2 got. Judea and kings was confusing as Romans could tolerate various local kings, even in Judaea with Herod (Augustus said allegedly he'd prefer to be Herod's pig than his son) and those of his issue who managed not be murdered.

The popes are temporal kings by virtue of being the heads of state of the Vatican, with or without the tiara.

João, they may be heads of state but they certainly do not view themselves as Kings (inaugurations, abandoning of the tiara, Niger in the arms, etc.)

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#4

The Sedevacantist Thesis / Re: The Great Western Schism &...

Last post by Bonaventure - Today at 12:29:15 AM

There's no analogy.



Just in case this hasn't already been posted.

I like him and have met him in person, and have spent time discussing this and other issues with him.

However, this is merely his opinion, and he has had many other opinions that are rather odd or surprising:

1. All Novus Ordo Baptisms conducted after 01/01/1990 are to be considered dubious and repeated unless there exist positive evidence that they were validly conducted.

2. Advising the then-Fr. Dolan to cease acting as a priest and to be conditionally ordained (see: https://www.scribd.com/doc/246398985/1990-Letter-to-Dolan-on-One-Handed-Ordination)
3. Attendance at una cum Masses is mortal sin. His seminary prefect (Fr. Nicolás Despósito) has publicly written that " One single 'una cum Mass' is more offensive to God than all abortions ever performed. Just saying..." (Source: https://twitter.com/FrDesposito/status/434837570053087232) The seminary rector, as far as I know, has never corrected, rebuked, or clarified what his prefect said here.

No analogy is perfect.

I conducted the bulk of my university coursework under what many consider the premier lineage of medievalists in the United States. This included my thesis, concerning the Great Western Schism and particularly, Antipope Benedict XIII (Pedro de Luna).

As he says at beginning at 10:35, the situation was certainly not clear as to who and where the true pope was, until Martin V and the Council of Constance (the actual pope, Gregory XII, actually abdicated to help aid in healing the Great Western Schism. I personally doubt that the most autocephalus bishops, including Sanborn, would revert to operating as simple priests if a true pope were to somehow emerge and order them to do so!).

St. Vincent Ferrer would also completely disagree with Sanborn's point that this was merely a "matter of election" and that any of the three "would've made a great pope."

St. Vincent denounced and rejected Benedict XIII for his obstinacy and refusal to resign. I would have to go to inter-library loan and find the 200-300 year old French and Spanish works for the exact words of the Saint. Benedict XIII was not, as Sanborn said, a "perfect candidate for the papacy." Even after Constance and the election of an undoubtedly true pope (Martin V), Benedict XIII continued his reign and likely had full culpability for his objective schism (even after a Saint begged him to resign along with Benedict XII and pay obeisance to the new pope).

Sanborn's position is that a good Catholic "has to" be a sedevacantist if one resists the Novus Ordo at all, or does not go to one's local parish. If he thought that, he ought not to have gone to Écône to obtain Holy Orders, nor have worked directly under a sedeplenist superior (Archbishop Lefebvre) for several years.

Furthermore, neither the Council of Constance, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Vincent Ferrer, etc. did not say that those who did not unify themselves with who they saw as the true pope were committing "mortal sins," were "schismatic," nor did Catholics traveling from kingdom to kingdom refuse to attend the Masses of priests who did not align with their papal sympathies.

If there were "no analogy at all," Sanborn and the rest of his American sedevacantist confreres would have never joined the Society of Saint Pius X, which was never sedevacantist. Indeed, Sanborn (who claims that he never said Mass as a sedeplenist) would never have consented to being interviewed by Vatican officials when the Écône seminary was under apostolic visitation ("wildcat seminary")

My professor and advisor earned his MA and PhD at Princeton under William Chester Jordan (a Catholic). Jordan was a student of Joseph Strayer, who studied under Charles Homer Haskins.

All of this is merely the opinion of a man who is not part of the Ecclesia Docens, who possesses neither canonical mission nor office, who was not formally approved or trained, never awarded an ecclesiastical degree (Licentiate, Doctorate, or even M.Div), and who dare only receive sacred orders under the principal of Epikeia for the salvation of souls, and ministering to the faithful. That's it. He can wear a miter, wield a crosier, and sport a pectoral cross, but he possesses none of the authority of what these represent. Indeed, a tonsured acolyte or subdeacon in 1957 would be due more homage than almost any of the trad clergy, if one is a committed sedevacantist.

If one is a convinced sedevacantist, this is the only reality one can accept regarding 99.9% of the traditional clergy.

I frankly consider these type of hot takes as part of Sanborn's strategy to be the only game in town.

#5

General Catholic Discussion / Re: Would you rather...?

Last post by josh987654321 - Today at 12:28:57 AM

Although speaking of naivete, I still secretly long for the Catholic Church to return to its pre-Vatican II orthodoxy and there to be a reunion of it and the Orthodox Church. Of course, in the real world I cannot ever see the Orthodox agreeing amongst themselves, let alone returning to unity with Rome. Heck, Constantinople and Moscow are now not even in communion with one another.

Not to go too far off topic, but I see a possibility, a ROC broken away from these other corrupted Orthodox groups seeking the fullness of the truth, then a restored Roman Catholic Church seeking the fullness of truth, there is a possibility there for a reunion of sorts based on the truth, which would be long lasting, rather than some false union out of convenience.

The very schisms in Orthodoxy (Part of a pressure campaign against Russia IMO) I see as rather similar to the ones in Catholicism, only ours are currently more hidden bubbling under the surface with those who love Bergoglio and those of us who see him as a destroyer... a non-canonically elected destroyer as per St Francis of Assisi in my case.

The ROC do get a lot right, I think the Catholic Church needs to recognise Mary's status as Co-Redemptrix which fits perfectly with the Immaculate Conception and the Dormition, which according to Wikipedia Pope Sergius I (687–701) recognised the Dormition also.

My main issue would be the leavened bread issue, as Exodus 12 is very clear about the instructions for the Passover, in no uncertain words and all the Jews of the time knew it very well. Nevertheless we are still in a sort of communion with other Orthodox groups who use this, as we recognise the Red Wine to be valid matter and the married Priests thing is perhaps another hurdle, so time will tell anyway, in any case, we do have a lot in common and one can recognise the others commonality without compromising on the truth IMO. 

God Bless

#6

General Catholic Discussion / Re: Would you rather...?

Last post by josh987654321 - April 27, 2024, 11:25:57 PM

It depends, many variables.

I'm of the opinion of clau clau and Kaesekopf, grow where you are planted as much as possible, but if times are desperate, one can never rule it out.

I'd also say in regards to woke and less woke, that I think the same was true before WWII, as the Allies all dabbled with the Darwinism, Atheism and Eugenics of the Nazis, it's only when they could see what the Nazis did with it, and that they were the ones declared the 'inferior' race to die out or be killed off, that they went in the opposite direction, just like the 'liberals' during the French Revolution who supported many of their ideas, until they witnessed the 'Reign of Terror' in the name of 'Liberty'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

So as long as the 'less woke' are not caught in the net when it becomes full and gets dragged in, they can wake up and go in the opposite direction if they still have the means to do so.

Personally I don't have the means or connections to make such a massive move even if I wanted to, so I will stay where I am no matter what and pray for the best.

God Bless

#7

The Coffee Pot / Re: interesting purchase you m...

Last post by Greg - April 27, 2024, 10:54:18 PM

Miele dishwasher.  Full working order for 5 pounds.

They are about 800 quid new.

Found it on ebay.  Man wanted 50 quid, did not sell because he was in the sticks most likely.  Wrote and offered 30 quid.  He said have it for free because he thought it had a drain issue and just wanted shot of it.  I paid 5 quid in order to get his address without being banned from ebay.

There was nothing wrong with the drain that backflushing the sump did not clear.

Did require me to take a 2 hour drive through Kent to pick it up.  He lived on farm overlooking Bewl Water.  Lovely drive.

#8

General Catholic Discussion / Re: Would you rather...?

Last post by Bonaventure - April 27, 2024, 10:16:42 PM

Well you two are on a roll.  What are you trying to accomplish by mocking those of us who have strong opinions on the invalidity of new order priests/where we prefer to assist mass?

This forum is the virtual house/cafe/meetup spot for the "two of us."

I am not sure who you are claiming to speak on behalf of when you use the first person plural pronoun of "us."

Here is a clear example of you interjecting your belief that the new rites of ordination and consecration are invalid into a discussion that did not broach these topics:

https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=31538.msg629717#msg629717

The OP is clearly not a sedevacantist, SSPXer, etc. and stated she went to her "local parish." Also, a quick glance at her posting history demonstrates she has demonstrable anxiety and scruples regarding many issues in her life.

It is clearly your view that the best course of action in that moment was for you to post what you did, and promote your "party line" on the current situation in the Church.

I've been around for a long time, and the most prolific, intelligent, and charitable Sedevacantist posters I knew ( @Michael Wilson or @INPEFESS ) did not do this, either on this, or other forums, that they participated on.

So, I can post exactly what I posted, and if you don't like it, it's on you. I am not going to stand by and allow one invited into our virtual "house" or "coffee shop" to proceed to call all of my guests who are non-sede as having a position aligned with non-Catholics/enemies of the Church, or to constantly tell people who go to their local parish that all of their sacraments are invalid. It would be bad hospitality on my part, if nothing else.

Would you like me to leave the forum? If so just say the word because your childish/rude behavior is getting old.

If either of us wanted you gone, it would be done in an instant. As Tony Soprano said, "You probably don't even hear it when it happens, right?"

Neither of us, nor anyone for that matter, forces anyone to log in, type, and hit the post button.

#9

The Bookstore / Re: RULE/MARTYROLOGY THREAD

Last post by OmniaInstaurareInChristo - April 27, 2024, 07:22:27 PM

The reading appointed from the Rule of St. Benedict for April 28:

CHAPTER LXX
That no one presume to strike another

Let every occasion of presumption be banished from the Monastery. We ordain, therefore, that no one be allowed to excommunicate or strike any of his brethren, unless authority to do so shall have been given him by the Abbot. Let such as offend herein be rebuked in the presence of all, that the rest may be struck with fear. With regard to the children, however, let them be kept by all under diligent and watchful discipline, until their fifteenth year: yet this, too, with measure and discretion. For if any one presume, without leave of the Abbot, to chastise such as are above that age, or shew undue severity even to the children, he shall be subjected to the discipline of the Rule, because it is written: "What thou wouldest not have done to thyself, do not thou to another."


Martyrology-April 29th
Roman Martyrology-April 29th-on this date in various years-

St. Peter, a martyr of the Order of Preachers, who was slain for the Catholic faith on the 6th day of April.

At Rome, the birthday of St. Catherine of Siena, virgin of the Third Order of St. Dominic, renowned for her holy life and her miracles. She was inscribed among the canonized virgins by Pope Pius II. Her feast, however, is celebrated on the following day.

At Paphos in Cyprus, St. Tychicus, a disciple of the blessed Apostle Paul, who called him in his Epistles, "most dear brother," "faithful minister," and "fellow-servant in the Lord".

At Pisa in Tuscany, the martyr St. Torpes, who filled a high office in the court of Nero, and was one of those of whom the apostle wrote from Rome to the Philippians: "All the saints salute you, especially those that are of the house of Caesar." For the faith of Christ, he was, by order of Satellicus, beaten, cruelly scourged, and delivered to the beasts to be devoured, but remained uninjured. He completed his martyrdom by being beheaded.

At Cirta in Numidia, the birthday of the holy martyrs Apapius and Secundinus, bishops, who, after a long exile in that city, added to the glory of their priesthood the crown of martyrdom. They suffered in the persecution of Valerian, during which the enraged Gentiles made every effort to shake the faith of the just. In their company suffered Aemilian, a soldier, Tertulla and Antonia, consecrated virgins, and a woman with her twin children.

In the island of Codyra, the seven holy thieves who were converted to Christ by St. Jason, and gained eternal life by martyrdom.

At Naples in Campania, Bishop St. Severus, who, among other prodigies, raised for a short time a dead man from the grave in order to convict of falsehood the lying creditor of a widow and her children.

At Brescia, St. Paulinus, bishop and confessor.

In the monastery of Cluny in France, St. Hugh Abbot.

In the monastery of Molesmes in France, St. Robert, the first abbot of the Cistercians.

And elsewhere in divers places, many other holy martyrs, confessors, and holy virgins.
R. Thanks be to God.

#10

Arts and Leisure / Re: What are you currently rea...

Last post by Bernadette - April 27, 2024, 06:09:37 PM

The Hound of the Baskervilles, my favorite Sherlock Holmes story.