Political Traditionalism and Its Adversary, "Conservatism"

[LouisIX]

Thanks, Jacob!

[Lynne]

Darn!!! This sounds like a really good book, Mark D. Popowski’s The Rise and Fall of Triumph: The History of a Radical Roman Catholic Magazine.

The hardcover is $80 and the Kindle version is $76!!!!!

Nice ripoff.

A friend of mine let me borrow his copy. It's an excellent book, but it's not worth 80 bucks.

Nothing's worth $80 except many yards of fabric! :-)

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[Lynne]

Thanks, Jacob!

Yes, more info would be great!

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[Jacob]

Well, unless you have specific questions, there's not much to say.

The story of the magazine is the story of Bozell and his associates (Wilhelmson and the others).  Bozell was a conservative (ghostwrote Goldwater's book Conscience of a Conservative) who broke with his National Review fellows and went off to found Triumph.

The Wikipedia article looks to be correct and unbiased.  Start there.  That ought to answer most questions on Bozell's political transformation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_%28magazine%29

[Prayerful]

Conservatism and the Right often seems to be mainly about enriching wealthy commercial or industrial interests with social issues largely as distractions only weakly pursued. Abortion and homosexuality fall into that pretend conservtive distraction category. Some political leaders have tried to run a supportive attitude to industry in harness with social conservatism. Tony Abbot probably was an example, but can mean a fatally divided attention. It can mean political defeat, like for Abbot, or that the legislative effort is just empheral and vanishes with the next change of government. Big money conservatism is stonger in the West now thanks to the complete cultural victory of the Frankfurt school. This conservatism annexes social liberalism, and regards genuine social conservatives in their ranks as somewhere between annoyances or amusing oddities.

[mikemac]

Well, unless you have specific questions, there's not much to say.

The story of the magazine is the story of Bozell and his associates (Wilhelmson and the others).  Bozell was a conservative (ghostwrote Goldwater's book Conscience of a Conservative) who broke with his National Review fellows and went off to found Triumph.

The Wikipedia article looks to be correct and unbiased.  Start there.  That ought to answer most questions on Bozell's political transformation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_%28magazine%29

I see Triumph had quite the list of contributors, including Solange Hertz, Dietrich von Hildebrand and Marcel Lefebvre.

[Non Nobis]

My family (parents) used to get Triumph magazine when I was growing up.  I remember liking it... unfortunately I don't remember more.  Also unfortunately, we didn't keep them.

A lot of help I am!

Hmm, maybe I can help one person:  (as I write this) there is 1 copy of the book for $44.91 on abebooks:
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=The+Rise+and+fall+of+triumph+the+history

[Jacob]

It is interesting that someone hasn't scanned in all the issues of the magazine by now.  It certainly is influential enough in certain circles.  The interest is out there.

[Lynne]

It is interesting that someone hasn't scanned in all the issues of the magazine by now.  It certainly is influential enough in certain circles.  The interest is out there.

copyright issues?

[Kaesekopf]

Who would sue on behalf of a dead publication?

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[Lynne]

Who would sue on behalf of a dead publication?

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Bozell's relatives? The publisher? It's still in copyright. I believe something is still in copyright 78 (or even 100) years after the death of the author/owner.

[Kaesekopf]

Meh.   

It's not like theyre selling back issues, or making the content available in other formats (the two aforementioned books notwithstanding).

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[Lynne]

Meh.   

It's not like theyre selling back issues, or making the content available in other formats (the two aforementioned books notwithstanding).

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Yes but I'm sure someone would complain if someone tried to make some money of the publication. It's a shame because I'm sure a decent number of people would be interested in it but thank Disney!

They're the ones who pushed to get copyrights extended. Have to protect Mickey Mouse (and its $$$), you know... 

[Kaesekopf]

Oh, sure, make money, that's a different thing.  I assumed they'd be scanned to archive.org. 

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[LouisIX]

Conservatism and the Right often seems to be mainly about enriching wealthy commercial or industrial interests with social issues largely as distractions only weakly pursued. Abortion and homosexuality fall into that pretend conservtive distraction category. Some political leaders have tried to run a supportive attitude to industry in harness with social conservatism. Tony Abbot probably was an example, but can mean a fatally divided attention. It can mean political defeat, like for Abbot, or that the legislative effort is just empheral and vanishes with the next change of government. Big money conservatism is stonger in the West now thanks to the complete cultural victory of the Frankfurt school. This conservatism annexes social liberalism, and regards genuine social conservatives in their ranks as somewhere between annoyances or amusing oddities.

Likewise, it regards traditionalists as socialists or Marxists since they do not employ "The government is inherently evil" as their major premise for every argument.