So, I was watching the 'Paddington Bear' movie with my daughter (good stories), and sure enough..There is a cross dressing scene. Just like Monty Python. I understand that it has been used by American actors as well, but is typically traced back to English humour, correct? I'm no film historian..
Why is this?
because the idea of a man pretnding to be aeonan is so ridulous it'sabsurd. i think it's different from transgender crossdressing on tv that is meant to be subversive
in classical theatre there were no female actors all parts were played by men.
Yes, it is an archetype of comedy as genre. But it wasn't cross-dressing per se, but rather that a man would have some reason to show up dressed as a woman as a disguise; or a woman as a man. It's in Shakespeare constantly (see Rosalind in "As You Like it" for a prime example), but it's origins are far older. And, as Chestertonian says, actors were all male to begin with so it was deeply part of the theater to begin with.
However, it is important to realize that this^ is just an instance of a deeper comedic theme, which is disguise. And a disguise that reveals as much as it hides.
Anyway, this deep structural aspect of comedy then became a mere device, which then descended into farce, which was then spoofed by the likes of "Monty Python" and "Black Adder" (thus, btw, my moniker, "Baldrick")
Ooohhhh...
It is ironic and absurd. True. Also very funny..
Some Like it Hot is one of my favorites. Tony Curtis really made an ugly woman!
Quote from: Armor of Light on June 08, 2015, 11:23:51 AM
Ooohhhh...
It is ironic and absurd. True. Also very funny..
Some Like it Hot is one of my favorites. Tony Curtis really made an ugly woman!
The key to his character is that he was spoofing Cary Grant when he was the "oil tycoon's son" lol.
Were any of you scandalized or troubled as youth? Did you ask your folks 'why?'
I did not see anything like that growing up in the U.S. Just Bugs Bunny dressing as a girl bunny.
I should also add that it wasn't just hilarious to audiences in the past, it also had it's profundities. It's when it became farce; and then certainly when it became a propagandic/political device that it became "absurd."
Quote from: Armor of Light on June 08, 2015, 11:26:20 AM
Were any of you scandalized or troubled as youth? Did you ask your folks 'why?'
I did not see anything like that growing up in the U.S. Just Bugs Bunny dressing as a girl bunny.
No, it's like this: as i have described the history of it, it's roughly analogous to seeing a nude in a painting in the Louvre from, say, the baroque era. It's purpose was complex; it is subtly rendered. It is definitely not calculated to titillate, at least not primarily. That is, it doesn't have a simple, identifiable purpose the way that pornography does.
There are innumerable ways to respond to the Venus de Milo; there is only one way to respond to a playbunny centerfold.
This is why pornography is so much like propaganda: it's purpose is to provoke an emotional-physio response, some kind of action. It doesn't point beyond itself but straight to you: "do this."
So Bugs Bunny was just using "cross dressing" as a simple technique comedy, a bit of farce. Nothing more (as far as I know.)
However, when it's used onstage to make a political statement as a kind of propaganda at, say, the Woolly Mammoth theatre, then it becomes absurd, offensive, and unfit for children.
Quote from: Armor of Light on June 08, 2015, 11:26:20 AM
Were any of you scandalized or troubled as youth? Did you ask your folks 'why?'
I did not see anything like that growing up in the U.S. Just Bugs Bunny dressing as a girl bunny.
Milton Berle. Jonathan Winters. Flip Wilson. Bosom Buddies.
Quote from: Armor of Light on June 08, 2015, 11:26:20 AM
Were any of you scandalized or troubled as youth? Did you ask your folks 'why?'
I did not see anything like that growing up in the U.S. Just Bugs Bunny dressing as a girl bunny.
But did you find Bugs Bunny attractive when he wore a dress? (Wayne's World reference for you youngins)
Quote from: erin is nice on June 13, 2015, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: Armor of Light on June 08, 2015, 11:26:20 AM
Were any of you scandalized or troubled as youth? Did you ask your folks 'why?'
I did not see anything like that growing up in the U.S. Just Bugs Bunny dressing as a girl bunny.
But did you find Bugs Bunny attractive when he wore a dress? (Wayne's World reference for you youngins)
:lol:
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INj6HPuKJnk[/yt]
Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on June 13, 2015, 02:14:24 PM
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INj6HPuKJnk[/yt]
lmfao, little britain takes cross dressing to places waaaaaaaay worse than this...
never understood why people found those two funny though. smith and jones were the last true british sketch comedians.
Quote from: Arun on June 14, 2015, 12:23:33 AM
Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on June 13, 2015, 02:14:24 PM
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INj6HPuKJnk[/yt]
lmfao, little britain takes cross dressing to places waaaaaaaay worse than this...
never understood why people found those two funny though. smith and jones were the last true british sketch comedians.
Mitchel and Webb
Quote from: erin is nice on June 13, 2015, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: Armor of Light on June 08, 2015, 11:26:20 AM
Were any of you scandalized or troubled as youth? Did you ask your folks 'why?'
I did not see anything like that growing up in the U.S. Just Bugs Bunny dressing as a girl bunny.
But did you find Bugs Bunny attractive when he wore a dress? (Wayne's World reference for you youngins)
Whaaat..!?!. NOoooo.
"Neither did I"
Hilarious. Cross dressing is funny!
Quote from: red solo cup on June 15, 2015, 09:04:21 AM
Quote from: Arun on June 14, 2015, 12:23:33 AM
Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on June 13, 2015, 02:14:24 PM
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INj6HPuKJnk[/yt]
lmfao, little britain takes cross dressing to places waaaaaaaay worse than this...
never understood why people found those two funny though. smith and jones were the last true british sketch comedians.
Mitchel and Webb
Yeah I know I used to like their show
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