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Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on February 16, 2021, 10:20:00 AM
Worth keeping abreast of this because it looks likely to me that these will be used not just to coerce people into accepting a vaccination so that they can travel but also so they can attend events, go into certain types of businesses or be employed.  They will keep turning the thumbscrews.  Right now, if you look at any YouTube video on this topic it has a 1 to 10 like to dislike ratio.  In other words people hate the idea of Covid passports.

However there are a number of dynamics at play.  People who have the jab are HIGHLY unlikely to support the rights of people who refuse the vaccine jab.  As they post social media messages about their foreign holiday or trip to the theatre, more people will cave under pressure and then they will be silent about the fact that there were against the jab.  I discussed this with friends and we think this will be a divide an conquer technique that will very likely work.  Note that a huge number of people are wearing masks in supermarkets, far higher than the number of people who believe Covid is a threat to them.  So the tendency is for people to cave to pressure and go along to get along.

In the end how many hold outs will there be?

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It’s becoming clearer that in the not-too-distant future, international travellers will require some sort of vaccine passport or vaccine certificate, as a growing number of countries get behind the idea. The appeal is that these documents would allow countries to clear travellers upon entry without the need for quarantining and testing requirements.

While the United States government has not yet indicated support for a vaccine passport, there are signs that the new administration is pondering it.

On his full first day in office, President Biden revealed his 200-page national pandemic strategy with seven goals aimed at ending the Covid-19 pandemic. Buried deep in the report, on page 181, is a directive for multiple government agencies to work together to “assess the feasibility” of linking Covid-19 vaccinations to international vaccination certificates and producing electronic versions of them.

Over the past few weeks in Europe, vaccine certification programs have been building up a head of steam.

The United Kingdom is preparing a certification system that would allow inoculated citizens to travel abroad this summer, reported the London Times today. British Foreign Office Minister James Cleverly told BBC Radio 4's Today program it was “not an uncommon practice” for countries to require documentation on inoculations and that the UK government would work with international partners on this.

Last month, Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Union Commission, said that she supports creating a common EU-established vaccination certificate that can be issued by member states to their citizens. Von der Leyen even suggested that such a certificate should be a “medical requirement.”

She was responding to a letter from Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis, in which he called upon the European Commission to introduce a standardized coronavirus vaccination certificate to facilitate travel within the European Union bloc.

While they wait for an EU-wide vaccination certificate to become available, some European Union member states are already or will soon be issuing their own certificates to citizens who have been vaccinated against Covid-19.

On January 21, Iceland became the first European country to provide Covid-19 vaccination certificates to citizens who have received two doses of the vaccine. Iceland will recognize similar vaccination certificates that are issued from any EU or Schengen country.

This week, two other Nordic countries, Denmark and Sweden, announced they will also roll out digital passports that will not only allow citizens to travel but also dine out in restaurants and attend large in-person events like concerts and festivals. “It will be the extra passport that you will be able to have on your mobile phone that documents that you have been vaccinated,” said Danish Finance Minister Morten Boedskov. Sweden’s minister for digital development, Anders Ygeman, said his country hoped to be issuing its first electronic certificates in June.

Spain is also bullish on the health passport idea. “Vaccine certification is something we are going towards inevitably,” said Foreign Minister Arancha Gonzalez during an interview on RNE national radio last month. “It will be a very important element to guarantee a safe return to mobility.”

And at a meeting with the European Commission, Portugal’s Interior Minister Eduardo Cabrita ventured that vaccine certification would be easier to manage than the current Covid-19 requirements. Certificates “should act as proof of security and do away with certain requirements at borders — in particular, the requirement for PCR tests,” he said.

Cyprus is on the same wavelength. The Mediterranean island nation announced that it will abolish health requirements like testing and quarantine for travellers who could prove they had been vaccinated.

Poland also launched a digital vaccine passport last month. Citizens who get two doses of the vaccine receive a confirmation document with a unique QR code that is downloadable only from the traveler’s personal public health account. A printed version is available to those who do not have smartphones. “The document will be the so-called passport of the vaccinated person, which will confirm that the person has been vaccinated and can use the rights to which vaccinated people are entitled,” Anna Golawska, Poland’s Deputy Minister of Health, told reporters.

If a country-by-country solution sounds scattershot and cumbersome, the World Health Organizaton (WHO) is also working on a vaccine certification solution that can roll out on a global scale. The WHO’s position is that vaccine passports would be an improvement over current Covid-19 testing protocols and so-called immunity passports, which certify that someone has recovered from the illness and has antigens.

Since October, the WHO has been working with Estonia to develop a digital Covid-19 vaccination certificate using blockchain technology that they are calling a “smart yellow card,” reported Reuters. The play on words is a 21st-century wink at the old-school paper-based International Certificate of Vaccination, more popularly known as the “yellow card,” which has for decades provided world travellers with analog proof that they have been vaccinated against yellow fever.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on February 16, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
I see a few possibilities.

1.  The people who don't want vaccines support businesses that don't require them.  But this is difficult because governments will keep these businesses shut down.  You will not be allowed to open your restaurant to anyone except Vaccine Passport carriers.

2.  The vaccine proves ineffective or downright dangerous in which case these passports will drop away and be forgotten about.  It is possible that in opening up travel the vaccinated might spread the virus around or a variant and cause more deaths.  Though of course since the media is controlled this would probably never be revealed to the public.

3.  God chooses the right moment when the slavish people have had the vaccine (say 50% of society have been vaccinated) to deliver the hammer blow and reveal that the vaccine makes you FAR more likely to die of a new strain.  This has some interesting features.

a.  Governments who have pushed the vaccine on people and persecuted those who resisted being injected suddenly have their position completely undermined by the new circumstances.  The slavish supporters and hand-clappers and virtue signallers die off in droves and those left behind who are only dying at the normal low rate of 1% are completely vindicated.  The nature of society changes almost overnight partly because the clever people who took the vaccine are dying in much higher numbers and partly because the people who held out and refused now have the moral high ground of being right.

b.  The medical establishment, police, first responders, army, die in greater numbers because they have been coerced through their jobs.  Those who survive are really pissed that they were forced to take a vaccine due to their job and it nearly killed them and killed a lot of their colleagues.  "Trust science" loses its appeal for the next 60 years.  Trusting science killed a lot of people.  Not trusting rushed vaccine and governments kept people alive.

If the timing is right here you could corral the vast majority of the slavish people who blindly follow the advice of government and wipe them out.  Or, the opposite.  You could release a strain that the vaccine protected people from and instead wipe out the hold-outs.  Again that would radically change society because suddenly you'd have a society of wimps and people who did not question authority.  It is a potential pivot point.

4.  The vaccine rolls forward and at some point in 2022 or 2023 they claim herd immunity has been reached and drop the digital passport thing.

5.  It is too difficult to manage the digital passport and just a complete screw up.  Travellers are hugely inconvenienced, people turn up to theatres and are refused entry because their legitimate certificate does not work, or fake digital vaccine certificates are for sale, (this will be bound to happen in 3rd world countries where corruption is endemic)
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on February 16, 2021, 05:48:56 PM
Interesting.

I see that vaccine passports will extend to being used for recreational venues and will eventually (by Christmas 2021) include normal activities such as shopping, dr surgeries, schools etc.

If you were in charge, who would you want to survive an ethnic cleansing...those who stood their ground and refused the vaccine or those who followed your propaganda and took it.  I would want the slavish followers as they are easier to control and will still be able to work in menial jobs which is all the elite want from them.
However if your ambition is to reduce the worlds population to a mere 500,000 as per Georgia stones then its not about who but how many.

Imagine, this time next year, we will surely know!!
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on February 17, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
Not 500 thousand.  500 million.

You must be thinking of the Joe Biden Guidestones.

It is a unique moment in history, coming soon where inside nearly every country on earth you have millions of people who will react one way to a modified or new strain of virus and other group who will react another way.  And which group you are in correlates to your political and religious pursuasion.  You have chosen to "trust the science", trust man, or not.

That is a unique opportunity for God to act on a global basis without leaving strict evidence it is Him at work.  And a radically different future to transpire than anyone could have imagined.

The closest thing I can think of is smallpox wiping out millions of child-sacrificing pagans in Central America, which helped Spain completely dominate the region.  Something horse and steel would have taken far longer to do.

If the vaccine did kill those who took it, the fallout and political earthquake would be enormous.  Has the potential to be a stunning trap for the New World Order.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on February 18, 2021, 01:09:35 PM
The Vatican has told employees that they may risk losing their jobs if they refuse to get a Covid-19 vaccination without legitimate health reasons.

A decree by Cardinal Giuseppe Bertello, effectively the governor of Vatican City, said getting a vaccine was "the responsible choice" because of the risk of harming other people.

Vatican City, at 108 acres the world's smallest state, has several thousand employees, most of whom live in Italy.

Its vaccination programme began last month and Pope Francis, 84, was among the first to get the jab.

The seven-page decree says that those who cannot get vaccinated for health reasons may be given another position, presumably where they would have contact with fewer people, but will receive the same pay even if the new post is a demotion.

But the decree said those who refuse to get a vaccination without sufficient reason would be subject to a specific provision in a 2011 law on employee rights and duties.

The article in the 2011 law says employees who refuse "preventive measures" could be subjected to "varying degrees of consequences that could lead to dismissal".

The decree was signed on 8 February and later posted on the website of the governor's department.

Pope Francis is a big supporter of vaccines to stem the spread of the coronavirus.

"It is an ethical choice because you are gambling with your health, with your life, but you are also gambling with the lives of others," he said in an interview with an Italian television station last month.

The Vatican has made a Covid-19 vaccination obligatory for journalists accompanying Pope Francis on his trip to Iraq next month.
 

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Cardinal Bertello, who signed the decree, tested positive for coronavirus in December and went into self-isolation.


There have been fewer than 30 cases of coronavirus in Vatican City, most of them among the Swiss Guard, who live in a communal barracks.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on February 23, 2021, 06:24:54 AM
Vaccine Passports for

Ireland - https://www.irishpost.com/news/vaccine-passports-set-to-be-be-introduced-in-ireland-leo-varadkar-confirms-204165?

Israel - These are required for domestic visits to shops, pubs, etc as we as international travel.

Iceland

Sweden

Denmark

Estonia

Greece



Germany is opposed to a vaccinated minority enjoying privileges denied the rest of the population.

But it doesn't rule out the private sector imposing such a requirement.

"If a restaurateur wants to open only to vaccinated people, it would be difficult to forbid that under current laws," Justice Minister Christine Lambrecht said.

Poland is not considering a "vaccine passport" for the moment, although it has a smartphone app showing the status of those vaccinated which allows the bearer to skip quarantine on arrival in the country.

Belgium's government is likewise baulking at having activities contingent on vaccination "passports". For travel, it is looking for recommendations made at the EU level and by the WHO.

Not everyone has access to vaccines. And we don't know if they prevent transmission," French Health Minister Olivier Veran said in January.

The debate should only be broached "in a few months' time", he said.

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So with 1.2% of the EU vaccinated this is not yet a practical system.  But when they announce that "the vaccine does prevent transmission" and 30% are vaccinated then we can expect to see Passports being hailed as a success and the other 70% coerced into getting the vaccine by being denied the freedoms they had until this time in 2020.

Currently about 25% of the UK are vaccinated.



Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on February 25, 2021, 04:47:34 PM
Germany just flipped and Merkyl is now behind the vaccine passport idea.  So the whole EU will require them now.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Prayerful on February 25, 2021, 06:28:40 PM
Germany just flipped and Merkyl is now behind the vaccine passport idea.  So the whole EU will require them now.

Not necessarily. Pres Macron has a looming election hence an apparently nationalist or sceptical tone, and he a bit insecure. He could possible oppose what Merkel wants for politics and prestige. The so-called Visegrád Group of Poland, Hungary and neighbours might be only slightly sceptical, but frustrating Germany over something surely tempts them. Even Ireland allows the import of cheap Brazilian labour (where COVID is reportedly rampant) as beef baron Larry Goodman wanted a workforce, and the minister for agriculture, Simon Coveney is in his pocket. Other countries won't want anything so 'Irish' as that. I think the soft-hard proof of vaccination for everything short of a passport will happen, so anything from gym membership to jobs.

Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on February 27, 2021, 01:27:54 AM
Struck me just now reading about Saudi Arabia that there is an obvious flaw here.

Countries that want to keep political rivals or troublesome populations in check can used the VID as an excuse to deny them the right to travel.  Can use 'invalidity' of vaccine passports or to keep foreign journalists out.  Or hold them in quarantine for 10 days with a false positive test.

Western nations would not have a leg to stand on if they have created their own "second class" deprived of rights vaccine dissidents.

Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on February 27, 2021, 10:54:10 AM
 https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-israeli-govt-to-share-names-personal-info-of-anyone-who-refuses-covid-vaccine

Israel brings pressure to bear on the unvaccinated 50%.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-israeli-govt-to-share-names-personal-info-of-anyone-who-refuses-covid-vaccine
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: lauermar on March 06, 2021, 06:52:02 PM
My father took mandatory vaccines when he was drafted in WW 2. Likewise my brother when he got drafted to Vietnam. I had vaccines from infancy as did my brothers. It was required to start school. I had them again for nursing school. Today, my husband and I work with seniors and we take the vaccines for our job. I honestly don't understand the mass hysteria against vaccines as a requirement. It's always been a part of life. I can understand not using anything that contains fetal cells, but there are ethical vaccines if you look. This nonsense about microchips in vaccines causing trsndhumanism has to stop. Who thinks a microchip can survive Temps below -70 Celsius? My company laptop barely survives Chicago winters in field sales.

Now we have infected persons entering our border in droves from developing countries. Many are sick. Those infections will pass onto antivaxxers like a bull in a China shop. A recipe for another disastrous pandemic to be sure. Maybe Biden can do with Hawaii what Italy did with Poveglia Island during the plague.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Millennialmom on March 06, 2021, 09:33:31 PM
Here’s a recent article about the coming months, and one paragraph in particular is a red flag for me:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/life-return-normal-covid-experts-summer-fall/story%3fid=76277557

“ Experts say fall could become the season of a "new normal" in which the world slowly reopens and people will reconnect but with masks, routine testing and possibly even vaccine cards to allow them enter movie theaters or restaurants.”

So what this implies to me, is that the game plan is to coerce people to take the vaccine for even simple outings, like dining. How far will this go? Will I be banned from grocery shopping too, even WITH a mask?

That’s the problem. You just don’t know how long they’ll enforce a “passport”. Probably indefinitely. Traveling to other countries is one thing. Going to the movies is another.

I hope that I’m wrong, that this either won’t be enforced at all or perhaps taking a covid test will suffice as well if you’re unvaccinated. Kids can’t get the vaccine, so that in itself complicates restricting the unvaccinated.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Prayerful on March 07, 2021, 03:25:52 PM
Germany just flipped and Merkyl is now behind the vaccine passport idea.  So the whole EU will require them now.

Not necessarily. Pres Macron has a looming election hence an apparently nationalist or sceptical tone, and he a bit insecure. He could possible oppose what Merkel wants for politics and prestige. The so-called Visegrád Group of Poland, Hungary and neighbours might be only slightly sceptical, but frustrating Germany over something surely tempts them. Even Ireland allows the import of cheap Brazilian labour (where COVID is reportedly rampant) as beef baron Larry Goodman wanted a workforce, and the minister for agriculture, Simon Coveney is in his pocket. Other countries won't want anything so 'Irish' as that. I think the soft-hard proof of vaccination for everything short of a passport will happen, so anything from gym membership to jobs.

The legally mandated dissolution of Génération identitaire suggests that Macron's Islamosceptical and nationalist positions are a pose. A lot of French people seem to be instinctive coof vax sceptics, so Macron will proceed carefully. I honestly don't see an expiring Merkel government forcing anyone to do much. They dumped the incompetent Van Der Leyden on Europe, when she could have been given a made up job in some grateful conglomerate or NGO.

I notice Fauci pushing normalcy into the future, but he contradicts himself. He might find himself like BLM, something that was needed to get of Orange Man Bad, but not needed any more.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: TradGranny on March 07, 2021, 06:28:20 PM
My father took mandatory vaccines when he was drafted in WW 2. Likewise my brother when he got drafted to Vietnam. I had vaccines from infancy as did my brothers. It was required to start school. I had them again for nursing school. Today, my husband and I work with seniors and we take the vaccines for our job. I honestly don't understand the mass hysteria against vaccines as a requirement.

1. It is NOT a "vaccine."
2. The mRNAs are a genetic experiment -- you have to sign a paper that you understand the "vaccine" has not been approved by the FDA.
3. Any "hysteria" is on the part of those who want to force others to infect our bodies with a genetic experiment.
4. The fetal cell lines are based on elective abortions performer by hysterectomy, taken out intact, and put in refrigerators until their intact kidneys can be harvested.

Facts backing this up have already be posted here or on Life Site News.

Only lemmings follow the orders of the controlled media, and fail to do their own research.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Arvinger on March 18, 2021, 02:26:49 PM
3.  God chooses the right moment when the slavish people have had the vaccine (say 50% of society have been vaccinated) to deliver the hammer blow and reveal that the vaccine makes you FAR more likely to die of a new strain.

Is there a scientific argument pointing towards such a risk, or is it a purely hypothetical scenario?
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: mikemac on March 18, 2021, 03:35:15 PM
3.  God chooses the right moment when the slavish people have had the vaccine (say 50% of society have been vaccinated) to deliver the hammer blow and reveal that the vaccine makes you FAR more likely to die of a new strain.

Is there a scientific argument pointing towards such a risk, or is it a purely hypothetical scenario?

Clau clau posted a youtube video with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny saying something like this yesterday, but the video was quickly removed.

http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=10951.msg527411#msg527411
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: red solo cup on March 19, 2021, 07:42:46 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/next-frontier-air-travel-digital-passports-proof-vaccination-n1261338
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: King Wenceslas on March 19, 2021, 03:33:07 PM
Vaccine passport but you still have to mask up for new variants of Covid.  What's the point?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on March 19, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
Oh help us please, Ireland in full level 5 lockdown until the end of June....we've had no significant deaths from it in weeks.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: lauermar on March 28, 2021, 05:00:13 AM
Nothing new here. My father had to take vaccines before entering the military in WW 2. Ditto for my brother in Viet Nam.. We all had to take vaccines to enter kindergarten as long as we've been alive: MMR, DPT, Polio, etc. I'm 61. Most people got shots before traveling to Third World countries long before Covid.

The only difference is that the record was on a paper card because we didn't have cell phones. The passport is no different than a vaccine card. What's the big deal?
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on March 28, 2021, 09:53:10 PM
There is a huge difference between 19 sub-Saharan swamps which almost nobody travels to, insisting on a well tested one and done vaccine for a real disease (Yellow Fever) with a double digit fatality rate for healthy people and force vaccinating a whole population with an untested gene therapy drug for a disease hardly anyone dies directly from.

You are an idiot, or bad willed, to suggest they are analogous.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: TradGranny on April 03, 2021, 02:39:32 PM
There is a huge difference between 19 sub-Saharan swamps which almost nobody travels to, insisting on a well tested one and done vaccine for a real disease (Yellow Fever) with a double digit fatality rate for healthy people and force vaccinating a whole population with an untested gene therapy drug for a disease hardly anyone dies directly from.

You are an idiot, or bad willed, to suggest they are analogous.

I don't think she is either an idiot nor bad willed. She is using a protective psychological technique called denial in order to protect herself.

Specifically, the term is cognitive dissonance, a defense mechanism used by those unable to deal with the discrepancy between reality and what she had been led to believe was reality.

For her to realize that she has been lied to by the system it too overwhelming for her. For her to actually examine the facts would cause her too much emotional pain when she realizes that she volunteered to put into her body a product unapproved (by the FDA) because it has not yet been shown to be safe or effective.

In short, she is in denial like many other MK victims. When these poor souls whosse fear led them to volunteer to be guinea pigs are told that they will have to take one or two "boosters" each year, one would expect them to snap out of their collective trance state and deal with reality. However social psychology research reveals that the majority of such persons just double down on their denial.

They also double down on their hatred of those who do not take the product made possible through the use of caesarian abortions so the baby can be removed from the mother's body intact. Dr. Pamela Decker is the primary whistleblower on this demonic "vaccine" practice which produced the HEK cells (HEK stands for ‘human embryonic kidney cells’).”

All we can do is pray for her and the others who have been deceived.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/guide-fetal-cell-lines-aborted-vaccine-development/

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/babies-were-aborted-alive-placed-in-fridge-to-harvest-cell-lines-used-in-some-vaccines-researcher

https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/AbortedFetalCellLines.pdf

All we can do is pray for them.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on April 03, 2021, 03:20:31 PM
In abortion debates its usually those who have had abortions who are vehemently and aggressively pro abortion, its like they are miserable in their own state and they want other women to join them in their misery......or they think the more they normalise abortion, that stabbing at their conscience will go.

Some women have no issue with abortion and I would say this is the same with the vaccine.  People will defend their choices rather than admit they were wrong to the death.
 BTW I am in no way suggesting Lauremar is pro abortion, she is most definitely not.

Another thing I noticed among people I know particularly my female friends.  Those who are ordered, neat as a pin houses, not a hair out of place, never a smudge on their children, never any creased clothes, punctual etc.....they love lockdown and they love following orders and are the most frequent type I come across who are covid committed.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on April 04, 2021, 01:43:29 AM
And there is a name for those sorts of people.  Useful idiots.

The globalists and communists know they will obey orders.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: TradGranny on April 05, 2021, 05:12:46 PM
In abortion debates its usually those who have had abortions who are vehemently and aggressively pro abortion, its like they are miserable in their own state and they want other women to join them in their misery......or they think the more they normalise abortion, that stabbing at their conscience will go.

Some women have no issue with abortion and I would say this is the same with the vaccine.  People will defend their choices rather than admit they were wrong to the death.
 BTW I am in no way suggesting Lauremar is pro abortion, she is most definitely not.

Another thing I noticed among people I know particularly my female friends.  Those who are ordered, neat as a pin houses, not a hair out of place, never a smudge on their children, never any creased clothes, punctual etc.....they love lockdown and they love following orders and are the most frequent type I come across who are covid committed.

Good points. I think the commonality among those volunteering to be guinea pigs is the fear factor. Similar to Trump Derangement Syndrome, in which people clutched the media lies as if they were their Bibles, these poor people who bought into the media lies and fearmongering are clutching the media lies as if they are their Bibles. The hatred they spout against the non-guinea pigs is as vicious as that of the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd (with a great deal of overlap).
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Millennialmom on April 06, 2021, 08:14:05 AM
Regardless of your positions, it is hardly a charitable act to call another member a useful idiot, someone in denial, etc because she does not agree with you. Much of what’s being stated on this forum is conspiracy theories, rumors, conjecture, and speculation and best.

Nobody knows. The truth will reveal itself in time.
At this point we are at an impasse. There’s no point in posting sources to my posts, as you would not believe them.

This is my last post here. For a traditional forum, I would think it’s members would be less condescending and insulting. We are all here because we love God and Traditions of the Church, not to win arguments.

Peace to all.


Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Jayne on April 06, 2021, 09:04:31 AM
Regardless of your positions, it is hardly a charitable act to call another member a useful idiot, someone in denial, etc because she does not agree with you. Much of what’s being stated on this forum is conspiracy theories, rumors, conjecture, and speculation and best.

Nobody knows. The truth will reveal itself in time.
At this point we are at an impasse. There’s no point in posting sources to my posts, as you would not believe them.

This is my last post here. For a traditional forum, I would think it’s members would be less condescending and insulting. We are all here because we love God and Traditions of the Church, not to win arguments.

Peace to all.

I'm disappointed to see you stop posting.  I have appreciated you providing another perspective on these issues and that you do so in an intelligent and courteous manner.

I too gave up on trying to discuss anything to do with Covid, vaccines, etc.  because of the attitude you describe.  Perhaps you would consider continuing to post on other topics.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: clau clau on April 06, 2021, 10:11:50 AM
Regardless of your positions, it is hardly a charitable act to call another member a useful idiot

That depends if it is true.

I consider blocking people a better method than just leaving the forum. I reckon there are loads of people who just read the posts but hardly ever contribute anything.  They may be interested in what you have to say? By leaving you are depriving them of this. There is a small minority of douchebags who respond with ad-hominems.  My approach has been to just block these people when it happens to me.  Perhaps they do the same to me (which is absolutely fine).

The only downside to this is sometimes the forum is overrun by douchebags and many of the threads (when I view them) are just a continuous stream of <you are ignoring this user> messages.  In which case, just find something else to do.

Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Elizabeth.2 on April 06, 2021, 12:14:09 PM
Oh help us please, Ireland in full level 5 lockdown until the end of June....we've had no significant deaths from it in weeks.
A hearty Ave for you & yours.  What does full level lockdown mean for you exactly??

 :pray3: :pray3: :pray3:
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Miriam_M on April 06, 2021, 03:19:33 PM
THIS:

There is a huge difference between 19 sub-Saharan swamps which almost nobody travels to, insisting on a well tested one and done vaccine for a real disease (Yellow Fever) with a double digit fatality rate for healthy people and force vaccinating a whole population with an untested gene therapy drug for a disease hardly anyone dies directly from.


I anguish over what passes for "medicine" these days.  By that I mean the practice of medicine, of course, not medications and therapies. Prior to the 21st century, medicine was sane, reasoned, and actually scientific. Unfortunately, it has become infected --pun intended-- with the same mania for "hysteria" (extreme response), ungodly control over the human body, and rejection of the body's natural defenses that we see in the non-medical sector of society. 

Now, mortality itself must be eradicated for all ages and for all reasons and at all costs, including the cost of trial periods and procedures for new vaccines, which prior to Covid, has been standard operating procedure in medicine. Ebola was a viciously fatal emergency to all ages and levels of health, universally; Covid, not. This is not orthodox practice of medicine.  I am not an extremist in any way; I simply know how respectable medicine was once practiced -- not in a reactionary way, but in a stable and cautious way.

Anyone can say all they want about supposedly reactionary members of the pubic, but caution, not hysteria and not frenzy, is the time-honored and approved medical approach to the human body. Caution is not the same thing as a conspiracy theory, but anyone here can feel free to cite such a dictionary where those two are synonymous. Caution is the adult, rational, unbiased, and educated response.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on April 07, 2021, 03:56:31 AM
Regardless of your positions, it is hardly a charitable act to call another member a useful idiot, someone in denial, etc because she does not agree with you. Much of what’s being stated on this forum is conspiracy theories, rumors, conjecture, and speculation and best.

Nobody knows. The truth will reveal itself in time.
At this point we are at an impasse. There’s no point in posting sources to my posts, as you would not believe them.

This is my last post here. For a traditional forum, I would think it’s members would be less condescending and insulting. We are all here because we love God and Traditions of the Church, not to win arguments.

Peace to all.

That poster has been sneering at anyone who is against taking the vaccine and again you do a wide swipe at posters saying its conspiracy theories etc and again no link to ANY sources contradicting the so called theories.

Ye need to look in the mirror at who is insulting.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on April 07, 2021, 04:07:48 AM
Oh help us please, Ireland in full level 5 lockdown until the end of June....we've had no significant deaths from it in weeks.
A hearty Ave for you & yours.  What does full level lockdown mean for you exactly??

 :pray3: :pray3: :pray3:

No further than 5km from your house except for essential reasons
 Non essential shops, hair salons, restaurants, pubs closed.  This time click and collect was banned so small businesses couldn't even take orders over the phone.  Supermarkets non essential items taped off to public access.
No household visits even in gardens.
No masses allowed, churches open for private prayer only and even then its either 5 or 10 max can attend. Weddings was 10 I think and funerals something similar. 

Next week its easing a bit, not being extended to June.  The Gov are realising they are overreaching and the mob is about to get angry.  WE will be allowed to travel within our county but still businesses remain closed until May and weddings and funerals can have 25 attendees. 

That being said, there is a shift in attitude and people aren't obeying lockdown as much as they used to.  My friends a hairdresser and she is getting calls from clients for appt.   Stay the eff at home is non existent now thankfully.  However, they think the only way out is the vaccine.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Elizabeth.2 on April 07, 2021, 11:23:09 AM
THANK YOU, Diaduit, I pray for the Irish Remnant to keep St. Patrick's Lorica ever in mind and heart.  May you be invisible to your enemies.  I read somewhere that 27 had been arrested for protesting lockdown somewhere in Ireland.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: TradGranny on April 07, 2021, 04:00:46 PM
Much of what’s being stated on this forum is conspiracy theories, rumors, conjecture, and speculation and best.

Au contraire all of what I have posted has come from medical journal articles, medical doctors and legitimate news outlets.

It is typical of those using the defense mechanism of denial (cognitive dissonance) to
1. refuse to read opposing views
2. label the unread material as "conspiracy theory."

Sad.

Nor is it in any way uncharitable to speak the truth in order to help others avoid a "vaccine" which is not approved by the FDA.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on April 08, 2021, 04:03:05 AM
THANK YOU, Diaduit, I pray for the Irish Remnant to keep St. Patrick's Lorica ever in mind and heart.  May you be invisible to your enemies.  I read somewhere that 27 had been arrested for protesting lockdown somewhere in Ireland.

You're a sweetheart thank you.  Yes the Guards (whom I believe are hired thugs and not actual Guards) have been brutal to protestors, mainly in Dublin.  I think the Gov realised they were overreaching and are now easing back on restrictions but I won't let my guard down.  They will pull the rug from under us closer to vaccine roll out for the ordinary joe citizen (not essential worker, frontline or vulnerable) which is the main body of the population, somewhere around June.

I had been wearing a scarf, I do anyway for most of the year and pulling it up above my nose to get into a shop and then oops letting it fall once I'm in but now I'm fed up with this.  I'm back with no face covering and not getting any hassle.  I think the 'karens' are loosing their original gusto.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Elizabeth.2 on April 08, 2021, 11:34:59 AM
The Gusto of Karens  ;D
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: lauermar on April 08, 2021, 01:36:57 PM
May I remind you that the FDA approved of the pilot studies for the Covid vaccines under emergency use authorization in a pandemic. The government has long had the ability to do this. Furthermore, doctors have long had the ability to prescribe various medications for off-label use before the official indication is approved by the FDA, when it is prudent to do so. For example, Plaquenil is a very old drug indicated for malaria treatment but has been found to be an effective modulator of the inflammatory cascade. Lately, it is being used off-label to reduce life threatening inflammation in severe viral infections such as Covid-19, when the benefits outweigh the risks.

After any drug or vaccine is approved, post-marketing surveillance continues as long as it is still available. This is because serious side effects can show up 10 years post-launch. Do not think for one minute that FDA approval of any product carries an automatic guarantee of safety for a lifetime. Every treatment is an ongoing experiment.

Some of the sources you claim are legitimate medical articles are not. They are heavily biased, written by quacks. Anything you do post that's halfway legitimate,  you misinterpret.
You have not once linked to *any* of the original pilot studies in Israel which are large and have shown efficacy and safety. That's your own personal bias.

Enough with your relentless babble against the Covid vaccine.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on April 08, 2021, 04:57:47 PM
May I remind you that the FDA approved of the pilot studies for the Covid vaccines under emergency use authorization in a pandemic. The government has long had the ability to do this. Furthermore, doctors have long had the ability to prescribe various medications for off-label use before the official indication is approved by the FDA, when it is prudent to do so. For example, Plaquenil is a very old drug indicated for malaria treatment but has been found to be an effective modulator of the inflammatory cascade. Lately, it is being used off-label to reduce life threatening inflammation in severe viral infections such as Covid-19, when the benefits outweigh the risks.

After any drug or vaccine is approved, post-marketing surveillance continues as long as it is still available. This is because serious side effects can show up 10 years post-launch. Do not think for one minute that FDA approval of any product carries an automatic guarantee of safety for a lifetime. Every treatment is an ongoing experiment.

Some of the sources you claim are legitimate medical articles are not. They are heavily biased, written by quacks. Anything you do post that's halfway legitimate,  you misinterpret.
You have not once linked to *any* of the original pilot studies in Israel which are large and have shown efficacy and safety. That's your own personal bias.

Enough with your relentless babble against the Covid vaccine.

 BTW Plaquenil.....aka Hydroxychloroquine.

Re quacks and research being non credible....cite your sources or shut up.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: TradGranny on April 08, 2021, 05:38:04 PM
Some of the sources you claim are legitimate medical articles are not. They are heavily biased, written by quacks. Anything you do post that's halfway legitimate,  you misinterpret.

Please cite specific examples.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Prayerful on April 19, 2021, 03:40:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzU7VPNVkAIKcnj?format=jpg&name=medium)

Will I get my vax pass if I get the Joe jab (see above)?
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: TradGranny on April 28, 2021, 04:39:48 PM

Vaccine Passports: One Passport to Rule Them All
Published 6 days ago on April 21, 2021
By Makia Freeman
AT A GLANCE...

    THE STORY:

    Vaccine passports have arrived in many nations in various forms. They have different names but one thing in common: discrimination against those who stand for bodily autonomy and medical sovereignty.
    THE IMPLICATIONS:

    If humanity continues to buy into the COVID op and allows the widespread rollout of this control scheme, life will become even more restrictive for those who have seen through the agenda.

vaccine passports

There are many vaccine passports either proposed or in effect, but they all have the same goal: to restrict the movement of the unvaccinated, as well as to provide a registry of the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Vaccine passports

are a major goal of those orchestrating Operation Coronavirus, though not the ultimate end goal of the COVID agenda. The purpose of vaccine passports is clear, despite whatever flimsy and mealy-mouthed excuses given to justify them: to restrict the movement of the unvaccinated, or in plainer terms, to restrict the movement of those who have seen through the agenda. There are no clever legal arguments that can distract from this basic truth: vaccine passports are inherently discriminatory. In a sane society, no nation that even pays lip service to caring about human rights could claim that vaccine passports are in alignment with their existing laws on individual rights, freedom of choice, freedom of movement, informed consent and medical sovereignty. However, it hardly bares stating that we do not live in a sane world. Below is a brief list of the vaccine passport schemes that are either proposed, about to be rolled out or already in existence. This is a worldwide agenda being rapidly promoted and implemented.
EU Planned for Vaccine Passports in 2018

Long before the word ‘coronavirus’ become a household world, or the term ‘COVID’ even existed, the European Union (EU) was planning for a vaccine passport scenario. The European Commission (the executive arm of the EU) published a proposal for vaccine passports on April 26th 2018 in a document entitled “Proposal for a Council Recommendation on Strengthened Cooperation against Vaccine Preventable Diseases”. It lays out the plan for a “vaccine passport” or “vaccine card” and “vaccine portals”:

    “HEREBY WELCOMES THE COMMISSION’S INTENTION TO:

    17. Examine issues of insufficient vaccine coverage caused by cross-border movement of people within the EU and look into options to address them, including developing a common EU citizens’ vaccination card/passport, compatible with electronic immunisation information systems and recognised for use across borders.

    …

    HEREBY WELCOMES THE COMMISSION’S INTENTION TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS, IN CLOSE COOPERATION WITH THE MEMBER STATES:

    10. Aim at establishing a European Vaccination Information Sharing (EVIS) system, coordinated by the European Centre for Diseases Prevention and Control (ECDC), in order to:

    a. Together with the national public health authorities,

    i. examine the options of establishing, by 2020, guidelines for a core EU vaccination schedule, aiming to facilitate the compatibility of national schedules and promote equity in Union citizens’ health protection, and subsequently ensuring broad uptake of the core schedule as well as a common vaccination card;

    ii. strengthen the consistency, transparency, and methodologies in the assessment of national and regional vaccination plans, by sharing scientific evidence and tools with the support of National Immunization Technical Advisory Groups (NITAGs);

    iii. design EU methodologies and guidance on data requirements for better monitoring of vaccination coverage rates across all age groups, including healthcare workers, in cooperation with the World health Organisation (WHO). Collect such data and share them at EU level;

    b. By 2019, establish a European vaccination information portal, with the support of the European Medicines Agency, to provide online objective, transparent and updated evidence on vaccines, their benefit and safety, and the pharmacovigilance process.

    c. Monitor online vaccine misinformation and develop evidence-based information tools and guidance to support Member States in countering vaccine hesitancy, in line with the Commission Communication on tackling online disinformation.”

Interestingly, on pg.13, this document also mentions the term vaccine hesitancy as it recommends a “Joint Action on Vaccination, co–funded by the third Programme for the Union’s action in the field of health … to address vaccine hesitancy.” Vaccine hesitancy has also become a theme in the COVID op because so many people have become aware of just how toxic vaccines can be and how experimental these ones are in particular; in my article from August 2020 I revealed how a Yale study was analyzing how to combat vaccine hesitancy and increase vaccine uptake through a variety of psychological techniques and manipulation.
European Vaccine Passports

Given the above documents, it’s no great surprise that Europe is at the forefront of implementing vaccine passports. The UK and many European countries are getting close to rolling out their passport scheme; on March 17th 2021, the European Commission proposed the following draft legislation to create a “Digital Green Certificate” as you can see from this document. In a classic example of doublepseak, Commissioner for Justice, Didier Reynders, said:

    “With the Digital Green Certificate, we are taking a European approach to ensure EU citizens and their family members can travel safely and with minimum restrictions this summer. The Digital Green Certificate will not be a pre-condition to free movement and it will not discriminate in any way. A common EU-approach will not only help us to gradually restore free movement within the EU and avoid fragmentation.“

No pre-condition for movement? Not discriminate in any way? The very essence of the vaccine passport is regulate and restrict movement, as well as to discriminate. Otherwise, what is the point of it? This is a constant theme of the COVID op. Politicians make rules to control your life, and right when they announce these rules, they claim they are not controlling you. Black is white, up is down and tyranny is freedom.
American Vaccine Passports

They’re coming to America too. The US state of New York was the first state to introduce a pilot program. Authorities have said it’s optional, but that’s how all these schemes of control initially work; first they’re optional to break down resistance and get people accustomed, and then they’re mandatory. New York is calling its vaccine passport the “Excelsior Pass” and the official announcement states:

    “Developed in partnership with IBM, the Excelsior Pass will use proven, secure technology to confirm an individual’s vaccination or a recent negative COVID-19 test through a confidential data transfer to help fast-track the reopening of theaters, stadiums and other businesses in accordance with New York State guidelines…The Excelsior Pass will play a critical role in getting information to venues and sites in a secure and streamlined way, allowing us to fast-track the reopening of these businesses and getting us one step closer to reaching a new normal.”

On the upside, there are certain states which have preemptively banned vaccine passports in some form or another, including Florida, Texas, Arizona, Montana and Idaho. As for much of the duration of the COVID op, support or resistance to vaccine passports is mostly following party lines, with the left-wing Democratic states supporting it and the right-wing Republican states resisting it.
Vaccine Passports in Israel, China and India

Israel has earned itself another dubious distinction by leading the world in COVID vaccination rates, and by already implementing its vaccine passport program. Unvaccinated Israelis are being banned from going to so-called non-essential places. Tyrannical Israeli Health Minister Yuli Edelstein warned:

    “Whoever doesn’t vaccinate will only go out to supermarkets or pharmacies, while the vaccinated will go to stadiums and gyms.”

The tyranny doesn’t stop there. Israel has also issued “Freedom Bracelets” to be worn by those entering the country from abroad. Israel’s parliament joined action taken previously by the Spanish government in approving a law to create a registry of people refusing the COVID vax. Interestingly, UK Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove was recently seen arriving in Israel for what they say was “vaccine passport talks” but in reality, from those who know the backstory of the Zionist New World Order (NWO), was likely his marching orders.

China and India have both joined the vaccine passport game. China called their version the “International Travel Health Certificate” (downloadable from its WeChat mobile app) while India has a QR code certificate version.
One Passport to Rule Them All

No matter what fancy and different names these passports, apps and QR codes have, there are plans afoot to link them all via a common software or framework. The leading developers of this technology include AOK Pass, Common Pass, the Vaccination Credential Initiative, Good Health Pass Collaborative and the IATA Travel Pass. This is a clear manifestation of the NWO Agenda of a One World Government with detailed information on every single person (except for the ruling elite) on Earth, who are planned to be its subjects or slaves.

This has been a long time coming. It seems like a long time ago now – over a year ago – when Bill Gates started mouthing off about the need for immunity certificates and digital vaccine passports. The plan is not hidden, but rather wide out in the open. Of course, there is a distinct lack of logic about the whole issue. First of all, as I have exhaustively documented, there is no evidence that the virus SARS-CoV-2 exists. But putting that inconvenient truth aside for a moment, why couldn’t natural immunity to the virus qualify you for the vaccine passport? Mainstream brainwashed medical authorities may say it’s because you can still get re-infected. However the same goes for the vaccine … hence all the talks of a 2nd and 3rd shot (actually the plan is to give people countless shots as they upgrade and rewire their DNA operating system). This is the very same group of vaccines which by the way don’t give you proper immunity and are even admitted to only protect against mild symptoms and not to stop transmission.

It’s not about actual real immunity to disease. It’s about finding out who is vaccinated and who is unvaccinated, and subsequently punishing the non-compliant, disobedient, recalcitrant unvaccinated ones.

For those who want their shiny new vaccine passport – think about this. What happens when the authorities say that you have to keep getting vaxxed … and vaxxed … and vaxxed … every year … just to keep your passport and privileges? Are we going to stand in our inherent soveriegn rights or grovel beneath the slavemasters for government-bestowed privileges?
Final Thoughts

The truth is that vaccine passports are a scheme to force people into getting vaxxed so that they become genetically modified humans. The vaccine is the real bioweapon, not an imaginary virus. The vaccine passports will function to make life uncomfortable for the unvaccinated, and also as a registration system to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated, so the NWO controllers know exactly which citizens have certain nanotechnology embedded inside of them – which you can be sure will be used to further whatever nefarious goals the NWO manipulators have in mind.

*****

Makia Freeman is the editor of alternative media / independent news site The Freedom Articles,
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: andy on May 05, 2021, 09:47:07 PM
I have heard that Germany makes it easier for foreign jabbed to enter their territory now without a quarantine https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fully-vaccinated-germans-be-exempt-quarantine-minister-2021-05-03/ . Not a new restriction per se though.
Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 26, 2021, 08:48:36 AM
Great thread! Thank you, for starting this, MG. I was about to start one when I found this gem! :thumbsup:


1) Los Angeles County, California. Vaccine Passports required to enter grocery stores.

2) New York City, NY. Requires Vaccine Passports for everything EXCEPT grocery stores

3) Chile, South America. Will require Vaccine Passports to enter Churches, once they reopen

4) France, according to a couple of videos I saw, requires vaccine passports to enter a grocery store



Good news, 12 states in the US have issued BANS on Vaccine Passports:

Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Indiana, Florida, Georgia, Utah, Arizona, South Carolina,
Texas, Iowa, Alabama.

 https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6256180976001#sp=show-clips





Worth keeping abreast of this because it looks likely to me that these will be used not just to coerce people into accepting a vaccination so that they can travel but also so they can attend events, go into certain types of businesses or be employed.  They will keep turning the thumbscrews.  Right now, if you look at any YouTube video on this topic it has a 1 to 10 like to dislike ratio.  In other words people hate the idea of Covid passports.

However there are a number of dynamics at play.  People who have the jab are HIGHLY unlikely to support the rights of people who refuse the vaccine jab.  As they post social media messages about their foreign holiday or trip to the theatre, more people will cave under pressure and then they will be silent about the fact that there were against the jab.  I discussed this with friends and we think this will be a divide an conquer technique that will very likely work.  Note that a huge number of people are wearing masks in supermarkets, far higher than the number of people who believe Covid is a threat to them.  So the tendency is for people to cave to pressure and go along to get along.

In the end how many hold outs will there be?

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It’s becoming clearer that in the not-too-distant future, international travellers will require some sort of vaccine passport or vaccine certificate, as a growing number of countries get behind the idea. The appeal is that these documents would allow countries to clear travellers upon entry without the need for quarantining and testing requirements.

While the United States government has not yet indicated support for a vaccine passport, there are signs that the new administration is pondering it.

On his full first day in office, President Biden revealed his 200-page national pandemic strategy with seven goals aimed at ending the Covid-19 pandemic. Buried deep in the report, on page 181, is a directive for multiple government agencies to work together to “assess the feasibility” of linking Covid-19 vaccinations to international vaccination certificates and producing electronic versions of them.

Over the past few weeks in Europe, vaccine certification programs have been building up a head of steam.

The United Kingdom is preparing a certification system that would allow inoculated citizens to travel abroad this summer, reported the London Times today. British Foreign Office Minister James Cleverly told BBC Radio 4's Today program it was “not an uncommon practice” for countries to require documentation on inoculations and that the UK government would work with international partners on this.

Last month, Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Union Commission, said that she supports creating a common EU-established vaccination certificate that can be issued by member states to their citizens. Von der Leyen even suggested that such a certificate should be a “medical requirement.”

She was responding to a letter from Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis, in which he called upon the European Commission to introduce a standardized coronavirus vaccination certificate to facilitate travel within the European Union bloc.

While they wait for an EU-wide vaccination certificate to become available, some European Union member states are already or will soon be issuing their own certificates to citizens who have been vaccinated against Covid-19.

On January 21, Iceland became the first European country to provide Covid-19 vaccination certificates to citizens who have received two doses of the vaccine. Iceland will recognize similar vaccination certificates that are issued from any EU or Schengen country.

This week, two other Nordic countries, Denmark and Sweden, announced they will also roll out digital passports that will not only allow citizens to travel but also dine out in restaurants and attend large in-person events like concerts and festivals. “It will be the extra passport that you will be able to have on your mobile phone that documents that you have been vaccinated,” said Danish Finance Minister Morten Boedskov. Sweden’s minister for digital development, Anders Ygeman, said his country hoped to be issuing its first electronic certificates in June.

Spain is also bullish on the health passport idea. “Vaccine certification is something we are going towards inevitably,” said Foreign Minister Arancha Gonzalez during an interview on RNE national radio last month. “It will be a very important element to guarantee a safe return to mobility.”

And at a meeting with the European Commission, Portugal’s Interior Minister Eduardo Cabrita ventured that vaccine certification would be easier to manage than the current Covid-19 requirements. Certificates “should act as proof of security and do away with certain requirements at borders — in particular, the requirement for PCR tests,” he said.

Cyprus is on the same wavelength. The Mediterranean island nation announced that it will abolish health requirements like testing and quarantine for travellers who could prove they had been vaccinated.

Poland also launched a digital vaccine passport last month. Citizens who get two doses of the vaccine receive a confirmation document with a unique QR code that is downloadable only from the traveler’s personal public health account. A printed version is available to those who do not have smartphones. “The document will be the so-called passport of the vaccinated person, which will confirm that the person has been vaccinated and can use the rights to which vaccinated people are entitled,” Anna Golawska, Poland’s Deputy Minister of Health, told reporters.

If a country-by-country solution sounds scattershot and cumbersome, the World Health Organizaton (WHO) is also working on a vaccine certification solution that can roll out on a global scale. The WHO’s position is that vaccine passports would be an improvement over current Covid-19 testing protocols and so-called immunity passports, which certify that someone has recovered from the illness and has antigens.

Since October, the WHO has been working with Estonia to develop a digital Covid-19 vaccination certificate using blockchain technology that they are calling a “smart yellow card,” reported Reuters. The play on words is a 21st-century wink at the old-school paper-based International Certificate of Vaccination, more popularly known as the “yellow card,” which has for decades provided world travellers with analog proof that they have been vaccinated against yellow fever.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on August 26, 2021, 09:50:18 AM
Good news, 12 states in the US have issued BANS on Vaccine Passports:

Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Indiana, Florida, Georgia, Utah, Arizona, South Carolina,
Texas, Iowa, Alabama.

If you live in a red state that doesn't already have a ban on vaccine passports, write to your state legislators and your governor to ask them for it.

Making vaccine passports a partisan issue is a great way to defeat them, at least in the US.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 26, 2021, 10:57:06 AM
Good news, 12 states in the US have issued BANS on Vaccine Passports:

Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Indiana, Florida, Georgia, Utah, Arizona, South Carolina,
Texas, Iowa, Alabama.

If you live in a red state that doesn't already have a ban on vaccine passports, write to your state legislators and your governor to ask them for it.

Making vaccine passports a partisan issue is a great way to defeat them, at least in the US.

Good idea! :thumbsup: I was surprised not to see other Red states, like Oklahoma, Kentucky, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, Nebraska, etc.

And if I am not mistaken, Wisconsin is trying to BAN it as well. They have a Republican legislature but a Democrat for Governor  :(  Interesting situation. Their Governor has mentioned that if anything lands on his desk he will not sign it. I think they had  thousands of health care workers protesting forced vaccination.

By the way, a lot of protests are not being televised. And sometimes they work.

Supposedly Denmark had a ton of people protesting in front of Parliament for 9 straight days, making noise with pots & pans. At the end they got rid of all of the mandates, masks, etc. Not sure about Vaccine Passports...
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: james03 on August 26, 2021, 11:33:11 AM
Pre-print of study out of Israel which reports what common sense dictates:  Natural immunity is superior to vax immunity.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf)
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 27, 2021, 06:24:11 AM
Don Lemon of CNN believes the unvaccinated should not be allowed to buy food or work. Does this mean he believes that they should starve to death? …

CNN medical analyst Dr. Jonathan Reiner says that unvaccinated people shouldn’t go to bars and restaurants. A doctor pondered the ethics of whether he could refuse to see unvaccinated patients in The New York Times.

Alabama Governor Kay Ivey wants everyone to blame the unvaccinated for any cases of COVID that happen to occur.

That’ll really be helpful if someone unhinged loses a loved one to COVID and decides to seek vengeance on some ‘unvaccinated folk.’ After all, the governor said it was their fault. Speaking of which, Nick Cohen of The Guardian said that it was only a matter of time before ‘we turn on the unvaccinated.’”

Penalties Large and Small Are Being Proposed
In addition to the penalties for lack of vaccination already mentioned in the quote above, such as requiring unvaccinated people to:

Get tested daily at their own expense

Docking people’s paychecks

Charging students nonrefundable quarantine fees

Denying medical care at hospitals

Canceling private insurance or raising premiums by thousands of dollars a year

Suspending gun permits and driver’s licenses

Denying access to loans

Withholding government assistance and federal benefits like Social Security, VA benefits, subsidized housing and pensions

“The rabid contempt for those who think differently can lead nowhere good. For those who believe we should all get vaccinated or not, are you okay with this kind of dehumanization?”

Are "THEY" really that worried about our wellbeing? This is just crazy!! :(

May God help us all! :pray3:
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on August 27, 2021, 06:45:51 AM
They will be lucky when all of this is over if they are merely bankrupted by lawsuits.

I'd like to see them killed after being tortured first.

And with luck I may!
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 27, 2021, 07:18:15 AM
Artificial Intelligence Is Part of the New Battlefield

In mid-July 2021, surgeon general Dr. Vivek Murthy issued a public advisory,7,8 calling COVID misinformation “an urgent threat to public health” that undermines “our ongoing work to end the COVID-19 pandemic.” The advisory calls for software algorithms to be deployed by social media platforms to “avoid amplifying misinformation” and strengthening monitoring of misinformation.

Similarly, at a recent Health Information Management Systems Society conference in Las Vegas, Hans Kluge, Europe region director of the World Health Organization, called for the use of “digital health” and artificial intelligence to fight misinformation. Artificial intelligence could also be used to identify communities with low COVID jab rates so that “swift assistance” can be launched in those communities.

According to STAT News,9 Kluge has “established a WHO unit focused on behavioral and cultural insights to understand the drivers of vaccine hesitancy and develop programs to counteract it.” Such programs include community outreach programs and identifying “champions” for the COVID jabs within religious communities, youth communities and the media.

Already, Kluge’s team is working with an artificial intelligence tool called EARS (Early AI-supported Response with Social listening tool). It mines blogs, news articles and online forums in 20 countries and analyzes the narratives it finds.

EARS is also capable of predicting which narratives would most effectively counter the concerns people express on these mined platforms.

Chosen propaganda narratives can then be pumped out using bot farms

There are tons of fake profiles run by bot farms on all social media platforms that generate massive amounts of propaganda, including accounts with blue checkmarks.

Anti-Digital Hate Group Promotes Digital Hate

A central cog in the network fanning the flames of hatred and attacks on people whose only sin is the desire to make decisions for themselves is a group called the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH).

It’s founded by a British national and unregistered foreign agent named Imran Ahmed, who is also a member of the Steering Committee on Countering Extremism Pilot Task Force under the British government’s Commission for Countering Extremism.

"According to its website, the left-wing Center for Countering Digital Hate prides itself on ‘researching, exposing, and then shutting down users and news sites it deems unacceptable in the digital sphere’ …That seems potentially dangerous, considering we know very little about the CCDH.' ~ The Drill Down

According to The Federalist, ‘The Center for Countering Digital Hate is an obscure international group reportedly based out of the United Kingdom and Washington, D.C., that works as an adviser to multiple governments and elite-run institutions about digital technology and regulation.

Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) expressed his concerns on Twitter with the following post:

 ‘Who is funding this overseas dark money group — Big Tech?

Billionaire activists? Foreign governments? We have no idea.

Americans deserve to know what foreign interests are attempting to influence

American democracy’

 :pray2: :pray3:
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 27, 2021, 08:36:21 AM
Denmark and Sweden have dropped all Covid19 considerations!
Covid19 is no longer relevant 

Iceland also dropped all of its C19 restrictions
:cheer:

The U.K.’s Department of Education said “face coverings no longer are advised for students, staff, and visitors either in classrooms or in communal areas,” Newsmax reported.
However, students still must wear masks on their way to and from school if they use public transport.

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/uk-schools-mask-mandates/2021/08/25/id/1033711/?fbclid=IwAR05K8EBYnXXO2zwLDM6ztgYSw2RDoYaDSuDW-xwo9crbwVW3eJUQPFqqiM

However, Iceland has a 95% vaccination rate and a massive outbreak of COVID....
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 27, 2021, 09:07:19 AM
So, your dream was to work for an airline... ::)

More retaliation against the unvaccinated:

  Delta Airlines announced that unvaccinated employees will be charged $200 every month, calling it a “health insurance surcharge.”

The airline said Wednesday that it also will stop extending pay protection to unvaccinated workers who contract COVID-19, and will require unvaccinated workers to be tested weekly beginning Sept. 12, although Delta will cover the cost. They will have to wear masks in all indoor company settings.

You could argue about the safety and efficacy of the “vaccines.”
They don’t stop people from getting infected or from spreading the virus.
They lead to higher viral loads and are likely responsible for the advent of more aggressive variants. There have been over 13,000 + deaths associated with the shots, and that’s almost certainly an under count.
The safety studies used for approval are completely ruined. The manufacturers have a documented history of lies and corruption.

https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/delta-airlines-charge-unvaccinated-employees/
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on August 27, 2021, 10:03:45 AM
Delta Airlines announced that unvaccinated employees will be charged $200 every month, calling it a “health insurance surcharge.”

Big companies have done this to smokers for years.  They'll get away with it.  And if their legal department is staffed with at least moderately competent lawyers, what they do is this:  They raise everyone's rates $200, and then they give a "discount" to everyone who got the jab.

Ironically, Obamacare is an impediment to surcharging forever or too greedily.  Their underwriter will need to demonstrate an increase in claims to offset the additional premium.  They have to spend at least 85% of premiums on medical care:  https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/02/04/does-obamacare-limit-profits-for-health-insurance-companies-in-your-state/

So, your dream was to work for an airline... ::)

At this point, no one's dream should be to work for a (US) airline.  Serving drinks at $15/h with zero possibility of career growth was already a questionable decision.  Nonrev seats (prior to business travel shutdown) were in short supply, so it's not like the benefits offset all of the negatives.  But now that their main job is to enforce mask policies and generally act as the airborne enforcement arm of the medical dictatorship, there's no excuse.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on August 27, 2021, 01:33:43 PM
Denmark and Sweden have dropped all Covid19 considerations!
Covid19 is no longer relevant 

Iceland also dropped all of its C19 restrictions
:cheer:


That would suggest that there is no grand plan and we are simply dealing with politicians who are utter cowards and paranoid about a virus and everyone is so Godless and caught up in mania and hopelessness of anything beyond the grave that they want to do anything they can to avoid "killing grandma".  It is literally a global mania of those who fear death even if it is highly unlikely they will die.

Otherwise why would these little countries break rank?

As believing Catholics we are probably weak when it comes to understanding the worries and concerns and priorities of unbelievers.
Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 27, 2021, 04:05:54 PM
Denmark and Sweden have dropped all Covid19 considerations!
Covid19 is no longer relevant 

Iceland also dropped all of its C19 restrictions
:cheer:


That would suggest that there is no grand plan and we are simply dealing with politicians who are utter cowards and paranoid about a virus and everyone is so Godless and caught up in mania and hopelessness of anything beyond the grave that they want to do anything they can to avoid "killing grandma".  It is literally a global mania of those who fear death even if it is highly unlikely they will die.

Otherwise why would these little countries break rank?

As believing Catholics we are probably weak when it comes to understanding the worries and concerns and priorities of unbelievers.

Thanks for your post, MaximGun :thumbsup: I agree with you. Lots to think about.

But, here is the thing that worries me or makes me wonder what is really going on.

1) "THEY" did everything to kill "GRANDMA" when it all started. To increase the number of cases.

2) "THEY" rushed approval on these so called "vaccines" so they can mandate them across the board.

3) In part I do believe that a lot of people are getting rich off of this,
in the tune of Billions of Dollars. Amazon, Costco, Pharmaceuticals, etc.

4) Regarding the little countries, could breaking rank right now just
be a temporary thing?

5) My biggest concern about all of this of course, is the fact that they all want Vaccine Passports. France, US, etc.

Vaccine passports to go grocery shopping, to go to University, to work, etc. etc.

6) Why are so many Doctors, Scientists being silenced?

Like I said above, I agree with you & appreciate your input. But I also think that something else is going on here. And you are right, it is hard to figure out how unbelievers think.

Thanks for your reply & for reading this.

God Bless you!! :pray2:
Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 27, 2021, 04:50:28 PM
"We will not comply!" New York protesters reject COVID-19 vaccine mandates




Staten Island Restaurant Opposes Vaccination Mandates

Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 27, 2021, 05:11:21 PM
" Imagine a virus so deadly you have to be medically tested to find out you have it and a vaccine so safe you have to be forced by the government to take it ".

Nurses protest mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for health care workers

Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 27, 2021, 06:27:10 PM
NYC teachers protest vaccine mandate


Nurses protest new California vaccine mandate

Imagine a Pandemic SOO Deadly you can afford to lay off healthcare workers!

 It’s like firing a shortage of soldiers in the middle of a world war!!



Comments from the video:

"Russia tried to do vaccine mandates, it was completely abandoned after only two weeks, the people refused to comply and businesses that did went broke, let that sink in fellow Americans!"

какая разница
3 days ago
The Ministry of Education in Russia stopped the mandatory vaccination for teachers! Excellent news!!! You have a choice and this is real democracy, unfortunately not the same as in North  America...
Title: Vaccine Passports - new restrictions-LONDON Protests-Aug. 29, 2021
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 29, 2021, 03:11:52 PM
Protesters clog London in march against vaccine passports-August 29, 2021

Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on August 29, 2021, 03:18:51 PM
"It's just a mask." "It's just six feet." "It's just two weeks."

"It's just non essential businesses." "It's just non essential workers." "It's just a bar."

"It's just a restaurant." "It's just to keep from overwhelming the hospitals."

"It's just to make the cases go down." "It's just to flatten the curve."

"It's just a few inmates." "It's just to keep others from getting scared."

"It's just for a few more weeks." "It's just Church. You could still pray."

"It's just a bracelet." "It's just an app." "It's just for tracing."

"It's just to let others know you're safe to be around."

"It's just to let others know who you've been in contact with."

"It's just a few more months." "It's just a large gathering but for protests."

"It's just a few violent protests." "It's just a vaccine." "It's just a little microchip."

 "It's just a blood test." "It's just a scan." "It's just for medical information."

"It's just a vaccination certificate." "It's just like a credit card."

"It's just a few places that don't take cash." "It's just so you can travel."

"It's just so you can get your driver's license." "It's just so you can vote."

"It's just a few more years." It's just the NEW WORLD ORDER...... :(

 :pray1:
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: clau clau on August 31, 2021, 07:06:39 AM
(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/img_4925.jpg)
Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on September 01, 2021, 12:09:41 PM
Please watch the entire thing, as several people speak up, San Diego, California
Board of Supervisors.


A man went ballistic against the San Diego County Board of Supervisors over COVID-19 measures.


Man Goes Wild At Board Of Supervisors Meeting Over COVID-19 Measures

978,973 views Aug 20, 2021


Comments:

"I almost clicked off this when he started doing the wind thing, BUT I am glad I stayed to see what he had to say. Powerful speech!"


DeadValorProductions
5 days ago
"When hippies in California are getting this pissed off, you know shits about to go off"


"Them: "sir your time has expired"
Him: "NO! IT HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN, THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN""


"God bless these people. They are standing up for your rights vaccinated or not. You may think because you are vaccinated you are ok but your rights are also under attack and you just don't realize it yet."
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: red solo cup on September 04, 2021, 04:28:14 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-australia-still-liberal-democracy/619940/?fbclid=IwAR35FOkkwr78DV0vkNQzRpUPGEBeINI4AZ0Qi4vknycZ7DjG3cX8ZVyOkg8
Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on September 07, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
Dr Christina Parks testimony for Michigan HB4471

Please watch this short video.

Dr. Christina Parks, explains a bit about this particular virus, the regular flu & her thoughts against VACCINE Passports, especially for employment.

She also mentions how PhD's are the Number 1 group
in the US to oppose this vaccine.

She explains how the government has DESTROYED
evidence in the past to obtain compliance.

The CDC has lied to the American people decade after decade.
   

Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: lauermar on September 15, 2021, 03:41:38 AM
Many times I have posted here warning that most of your common household products are now being tested on fetal cells, and not just the Covid-19 vaccine. I've gotten plenty of pushback here for saying it. The list is long because PETA activists succeeded in diminishing animal testing and pushing fetal cells in its place. This means common soaps, medicines, dyes, disinfectants, paints, cosmetics, flavorings in foods and beverages, disinfectants, meat, eggs and dairy products (livestock are given hormones or vaccinated with fetal cells), produce (fertilizers and pesticides used on them were tested on fetal cells), etc.

Here is a hospital president who will not allow religious exemptions from vaccination unless the applicant signs an attestation that he or she is not consuming any common household products which utilize fetal cell testing:

"CEO and President of Conway Regional Matt Troup told Little Rock-based news station KARK that the hospital saw an influx in religious exemptions to the COVID-19 vaccine with a majority of them citing an issue with fetal cells. In response, the hospital created a form that requires employees to attest to the fact that they don't use any medications, prescription or otherwise, or vaccines that also used fetal cells in their development. More than 30 items were listed on the form, including Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Ex-Lax, Benadryl and Claritin. The hospital acknowledged that it wasn't an extensive list and employees had to attest to not using anything that used fetal cells. This will help to validate your understanding of the ubiquity of fetal cell use in the testing and development of common medicines and consumer products and support your claim of a 'sincerely held belief, the form states."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hospital-asks-staff-to-prove-religious-exemption-for-covid-vaccine-by-refusing-tylenol/ar-AAOrcjO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=W011

So basically he's saying it's so ubiquitous, you can't oppose the vaccine without also eliminating everything else in your household that's also been safety tested using fetal cells. You could grow your own food, but you'd run into a conundrum with pesticides and fertilizers. You could make your own clothing, but you'd have to cross-examine yarns and dyes, and research what was used on the cotton when it was growing. 

I'm not happy with fetal cell testing either. It's going to take a big vocal crowd to get it to stop. In order for that to happen, prolifers will have to give up their opposition to animal safety testing also.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: The Curt Jester on September 15, 2021, 09:10:37 AM
The issue with testing and things such as aspirin has already been discussed.  Many of those products were not developed with fetal stem cells (please note when aspirin was developed).

As far as animal testing goes, I'm sure some people are against it.  I think in the discussions here on that topic, it seemed that most people who chimed in were perfectly okay with animals being tested.

And stop using MSN for your news source.

Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on September 15, 2021, 09:26:51 AM
Here is a hospital president who will not allow religious exemptions from vaccination unless the applicant signs an attestation that he or she is not consuming any common household products which utilize fetal cell testing:

"CEO and President of Conway Regional Matt Troup told Little Rock-based news station KARK that the hospital saw an influx in religious exemptions to the COVID-19 vaccine with a majority of them citing an issue with fetal cells. In response, the hospital created a form that requires employees to attest to the fact that they don't use any medications, prescription or otherwise, or vaccines that also used fetal cells in their development. More than 30 items were listed on the form, including Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Ex-Lax, Benadryl and Claritin. The hospital acknowledged that it wasn't an extensive list and employees had to attest to not using anything that used fetal cells. This will help to validate your understanding of the ubiquity of fetal cell use in the testing and development of common medicines and consumer products and support your claim of a 'sincerely held belief, the form states."

As discussed previously, there's a difference between products that were tested on aborted children after those products were already on the market and other products that were tested on aborted children in order to bring those products to the market.  Aspirin, having existed for over a century, cannot be said to have been brought to market through the use of aborted children's remains.  The "vaccines", however, were all manufactured or tested on aborted children before bringing them to market.  Matt Troup's reasoning is a false equivalence that a first grader could identify.

Now if I, a layman, can identify this false equivalence, you can be assured that competent lawyers can also identify this false equivalence.  There are only three possibilities that explain why Matt Troup has decided to bully his employees in this way:

1. Matt Troup employs no competent lawyers.
2. Matt Troup employs competent lawyers but ignores their advice.
3. Matt Troup is bluffing.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: lauermar on September 15, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
@Curt, post-marketing safety surveillance continues from product development through the entire lifecycle and ongoing, until the product is no longer manufactured. The fact that aspirin was invented decades ago doesn't mean it isn't still tested for safety. Products are periodically retested through their life cycles due to reformulations, however minor, in the secondary ingredients, dyes, flavors and fillers they use. Perfumes, dusting powders, toiletries, household cleaners, etc. are periodically reformulated due to cancer concerns. In the old days, they retested on animals. That isn't the case now.

It isn't enough to simply oppose fetal cell testing. An alternative solution has to be proposed. And that has to include bringing back animal testing. If adult stem cells can be used, great. But those aren't always appropriate depending on the material being tested. Hence the fetal cells.

I look at *all* sources of news from MSN to NY Times, AP, Canadian Independent news, Daily Mail UK, Gateway Pundit, RSBN, OAN, etc. I prefer to be aware of and weigh points of view not covered by right and left news sources alone. Neither side tells the whole truth. I feel it is a mistake to pick one side for all news. If that's what you want to do, knock yourself out. But don't tell me what I can and can't do.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on September 15, 2021, 01:55:08 PM
It isn't enough to simply oppose fetal cell testing. An alternative solution has to be proposed. And that has to include bringing back animal testing.

Yes!  Do it!  I think you're preaching to the choir.

I will personally butcher every lab rat on planet Earth if it saves a single child from abortion.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: The Curt Jester on September 15, 2021, 02:37:51 PM
It isn't enough to simply oppose fetal cell testing. An alternative solution has to be proposed. And that has to include bringing back animal testing.

Yes!  Do it!  I think you're preaching to the choir.

I will personally butcher every lab rat on planet Earth if it saves a single child from abortion.

I think she didn't pay attention to what anyone else said in that previous discussion.  Then again, she probably had everyone on ignore.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: The Curt Jester on September 15, 2021, 02:40:36 PM
@Curt, post-marketing safety surveillance continues from product development through the entire lifecycle and ongoing, until the product is no longer manufactured. The fact that aspirin was invented decades ago doesn't mean it isn't still tested for safety. Products are periodically retested through their life cycles due to reformulations, however minor, in the secondary ingredients, dyes, flavors and fillers they use. Perfumes, dusting powders, toiletries, household cleaners, etc. are periodically reformulated due to cancer concerns. In the old days, they retested on animals. That isn't the case now.

It isn't enough to simply oppose fetal cell testing. An alternative solution has to be proposed. And that has to include bringing back animal testing. If adult stem cells can be used, great. But those aren't always appropriate depending on the material being tested. Hence the fetal cells.

I look at *all* sources of news from MSN to NY Times, AP, Canadian Independent news, Daily Mail UK, Gateway Pundit, RSBN, OAN, etc. I prefer to be aware of and weigh points of view not covered by right and left news sources alone. Neither side tells the whole truth. I feel it is a mistake to pick one side for all news. If that's what you want to do, knock yourself out. But don't tell me what I can and can't do.

You make many assumptions about what people do or don't do.  You expect people to treat you politely, but you do not accord the same to others.

And stop using MSN as a news source.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: lauermar on September 15, 2021, 03:48:02 PM
Polite? Is that what goes on at SD? No, I never expected politeness on here. If politeness were practiced by everybody, there would be no need for the ignore feature and a list of people who are suspended on the front of the home page. Not even Christ gets the politeness he deserves. There was one poster who went unreprimanded that said Christ's crucifixion was like a suicide wish. If that's how a member talks about Christ, I don't expect any better for me.

Polite to you is agreeing with the general consensus of the group. I don't feel inclined to agree always. I never cursed anyone out. I don't stalk. And I don't send scathing PMs either.

Don't tell me what to do. I will look at whatever source I want. If it bothers you, scroll past. I can always put you on ignore if you like.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on September 15, 2021, 04:09:04 PM
Polite? Is that what goes on at SD? No, I never expected politeness on here. If politeness were practiced by everybody, there would be no need for the ignore feature and a list of people who are suspended on the front of the home page. Not even Christ gets the politeness he deserves. There was one poster who went unreprimanded that said Christ's crucifixion was like a suicide wish. If that's how a member talks about Christ, I don't expect any better for me.

Polite to you is agreeing with the general consensus of the group. I don't feel inclined to agree always. I never cursed anyone out. I don't stalk. And I don't send scathing PMs either.

Don't tell me what to do. I will look at whatever source I want. If it bothers you, scroll past. I can always put you on ignore if you like.

You have been sneery, condescending and snarky with anyone who posted differently to you and put people on ignore list when they didn't fall in line with what you were saying. 
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: james03 on September 15, 2021, 04:56:35 PM
Miss Cranky Pants
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: The Curt Jester on September 15, 2021, 10:21:55 PM
Polite? Is that what goes on at SD? No, I never expected politeness on here. If politeness were practiced by everybody, there would be no need for the ignore feature and a list of people who are suspended on the front of the home page. Not even Christ gets the politeness he deserves. There was one poster who went unreprimanded that said Christ's crucifixion was like a suicide wish. If that's how a member talks about Christ, I don't expect any better for me.

Polite to you is agreeing with the general consensus of the group. I don't feel inclined to agree always. I never cursed anyone out. I don't stalk. And I don't send scathing PMs either.

Don't tell me what to do. I will look at whatever source I want. If it bothers you, scroll past. I can always put you on ignore if you like.

Let me put this in perspective.  I don't necessarily expect the most polite things on a forum.  Something that I rarely see, however, is a person writing a post, posting it and then later returning to it, editing it to be impolite, and saving it.  I have seen many times when a person has gone back and edited a post to make it LESS rude, but that is the opposite of what you did. I had no problem with your first response to me (I read it before the edit).  Then you specifically edited it to be rude.  That is bizarre behavior. 

In regard to MSN, I was not saying that MSN NEVER reports anything that is (or might be) true, but given their track record, it is highly unlikely that you will convince a single person of your position when you use it as your source here on the forum.  People most likely automatically place MSN news in the category of "mostly false".
Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on September 19, 2021, 05:28:27 PM
Newark firefighters, police protest vaccination mandate


Firefighters and police officers in Newark rallied outside City Hall Wednesday, protesting Mayor Ras Baraka’s mandate requiring city workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19; they demanded the mayor rescind the mandate, saying that forcing workers to get vaccinated is a violation of their constitutional rights. The mandate requires city workers to be vaccinated by Sept. 15 or be fired.


New York City Protest of COVID Vaccine Mandate/Passport, Anti-Vax Rally | NYC Walking Tours

Sep 19, 2021

"GOD HAS YOUR BACK!!!" They mentioned GOD several times in this video!!  :pray2:
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: TradGranny on September 19, 2021, 08:43:04 PM
Miss Cranky Pants
I remember that Miss Cranky Pants claims that she works in medicine; what she really means is that she is/was a rep for Big Pharma. She took the shot early and tried to get others here to do so also.

Check out her earlier posts rah rah rah for the vax, and attacking anyone who posted a peer-reviewed medical journal article or other trustworthy source that they were Q-anon, tin-foil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists. I once thought "she" was a bot, but "she" is just a little too shrill.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: clau clau on September 20, 2021, 09:47:28 AM
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Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on September 20, 2021, 12:09:20 PM

Sky News Australia are doing a great job of exposing this.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: clau clau on September 21, 2021, 12:53:15 PM
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Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: Christe Eleison on September 21, 2021, 04:01:54 PM
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Thank you, CLAU CLAU!  :thumbsup:

Too funny & sad at the same time.....
God Bless!
Title: Vaccine Passports -Vaccine Mandates: An ASSAULT On Your Bodily Freedom?
Post by: Christe Eleison on September 23, 2021, 03:43:25 AM
Vaccine Mandates: An ASSAULT On Your Bodily Freedom?

Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on September 23, 2021, 05:57:22 AM
I would be fine with a mandate if.

1.  The virus was a real and present danger and was killing at least 10% of the population.  i.e.  It would wreck society if allowed to spread.  Covid is not that.  Covid is essentially killing old and fat people and not many of them.

2.  The vaccinated were genuinely threatened by the unvaccinated by some weird biological mechanism.

3.  The country that engineered the virus (China) were made to pay very heavily for the damage they did so neither they, not anyone else, did it again.  There has been zero attempt to find where this came from and how to prevent it in the future.

4.  The vaccine was well tested, worked and killed no more than 1 in 100,000 people who happened to have a bad reaction.

Those conditions don't exist, and would probably never exist, so I am not happy with mandated vaccines.
Title: Vaccine Passports - Restrictions- State Law & Vaccine Requirements-
Post by: Christe Eleison on September 27, 2021, 04:41:52 AM
https://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

State Law & Vaccine Requirements


NVIC provides exemption information for each state in the U.S. and you can access your state's vaccine policies and laws by clicking your state on the map or by locating your state in the text links below.

Be sure to visit our Vaccine Law page, which provides a summary of state vaccine laws and exemptions available in different states, including which states require the signature of a medical doctor or other state-designated health care worker in order to file a non-medical exemption. Every year legislation to expand, restrict or eliminate state vaccine exemptions is introduced. Act today to protect vaccine choices and register at NVIC's Advocacy Portal to find out if your state has active legislation. Using NVIC's advocacy portal is free and provides you with links to easily contact your elected officials, bill analysis, talking points and action alerts when there is time sensitive action needed. Because legislation can move quickly, you can also join NVIC's text program by texting the full name of your state to 202-618-5488 and receive time sensitive alerts.

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Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on September 27, 2021, 09:17:55 AM
1.  The virus was a real and present danger and was killing at least 10% of the population.

If this were true, there would never be a need for a mandate.

Covid is essentially killing old and fat people and not many of them.

We can't be sure it's killing anyone that old age and chance wouldn't have killed anyway:

https://medium.com/wintoncentre/how-much-normal-risk-does-covid-represent-4539118e1196

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Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: clau clau on September 30, 2021, 09:21:07 AM
I've come across this site a few times on my websurfing travels.  It seems to be a useful resource.

https://thecovidblog.com/
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on September 30, 2021, 11:58:19 AM
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Fully-vaccinated Hollywood celebrities wondering why they are suddenly getting COVID-19, cancer and worse (August 12, 2021)

The official cause of death is pancreatic cancer. Mr. Garson also displayed the same nasty, vitriolic behavior as many of the most infamous virtual signalers covered on this blog have displayed. It’s becoming clear, based on our data, that mRNA and viral vector DNA injections change people’s personalities or enhance already-rancorous personalities. They become acrimonious, irrational vaxx zealots that are 100% loyal to the Cult of COVID. We’ve even covered cases of dementia shortly after the injections. It’s clear Mr. Garson was operating “under the influence” of mRNA, if you will.

The lethal injections kill slowly or quickly. They maim severely and cause grisly injuries. The only way to avoid the adverse effects is to avoid the injections. Stay vigilant and protect your friends and loved ones.

If this is true then you really could not have better news.

You know that feeling you had when Trump won and the liberals freaked out and how much joy you felt that day?

Imagine Hollywood "celebrities" dying of a vaccine induced cancer from the vaccine they had pushed and virtue signalled about.  That would just be bloody fantastic wouldn't it?

I'd never need to drink again.  I'd be permanently happy.  I might actually die of joy.

Currently I am feigning sympathy when some non-celebrity schmuck dies of the vaccine.  Well you have to don't you?  It's not nice to laugh when stupid people die.

But if Hollywood scum start dying I am just going to give up pretending and dance wildly in the streets.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: clau clau on September 30, 2021, 12:35:12 PM
If this is true then you really could not have better news.

You know that feeling you had when Trump won and the liberals freaked out and how much joy you felt that day?

Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on September 30, 2021, 12:36:09 PM
But if Hollywood scum start dying I am just going to give up pretending and dance wildly in the streets.

Rejoice when we are liberated from medical tyranny, whatever form that liberation takes.

If all the tyrants die by their own hands, pray for their souls.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on September 30, 2021, 01:52:07 PM
But if Hollywood scum start dying I am just going to give up pretending and dance wildly in the streets.

Rejoice when we are liberated from medical tyranny, whatever form that liberation takes.

If all the tyrants die by their own hands, pray for their souls.

They get one prayer out of charity....no more unless there is a whimper of remorse then I will pray consistently for them.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on September 30, 2021, 01:56:56 PM
They get one prayer out of charity....no more unless there is a whimper of remorse then I will pray consistently for them.

If you just generically pray for the souls in purgatory, you're covered.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: LausTibiChriste on September 30, 2021, 03:54:20 PM
Plus the Holy Souls are amazing. 10/10 recommend praying for 'em
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on September 30, 2021, 08:40:34 PM
But if Hollywood scum start dying I am just going to give up pretending and dance wildly in the streets.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/fully-vaxxed-former-cnn-contributor-marc-lamont-hill-suffers-heart-attack-hospitalized-blood-clots-blasts-nba-player-critical-covid-vax/
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: james03 on September 30, 2021, 08:54:56 PM
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But if Hollywood scum start dying I am just going to give up pretending and dance wildly in the streets.

In that instance it would be allowable to clang the annoying cowbell a few times.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on October 01, 2021, 06:41:35 AM
If this is true then you really could not have better news.

You know that feeling you had when Trump won and the liberals freaked out and how much joy you felt that day?


My face would be like Gimli the dwarf.  Trying very hard not to smile.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: clau clau on October 03, 2021, 04:51:38 PM
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Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on October 03, 2021, 05:04:18 PM
(https://media.patriots.win/post/J32dTMV1.png)

They were always center-left corporate shills.

George W. Bush was an easy punching bag for them and for all the other angsty, middle class, mostly white, faux revolutionaries, but RATM wasn't some principled opposition.

The irony is still hilarious.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: mikemac on October 03, 2021, 11:00:07 PM
ATTORNEY THOMAS RENZ "We Got Them. Fact Check This!" ALL NEW WHISTLEBLOWER INFO

https://rumble.com/vn12v1-attorney-thomas-renz-we-got-them.-fact-check-this-all-new-whistleblower-inf.html
Title: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions Norway
Post by: Christe Eleison on October 04, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
Kim Iversen: Norway DROPS All Restrictions And Chooses To LIVE With Covid

Norway, Singapore, UK, Denmark, Portugal, Thailand & Ireland mentioned in the video.

Impossible to get rid of the virus.

Title: PROTESTS are increasing all over the world! No coverage in the media! :(
Post by: Christe Eleison on October 17, 2021, 01:42:57 AM
Protests are increasing all over the world!

The main stream media is NOT covering these protests!  :-\

THEY lied to everyone! The goalposts keep moving!


Kim Iversen: VIOLENT Protests Show The World Is OVER Covid Mandates
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: GiftOfGod on October 17, 2021, 02:17:46 AM
If this is true then you really could not have better news.

You know that feeling you had when Trump won and the liberals freaked out and how much joy you felt that day?

Imagine Hollywood "celebrities" dying of a vaccine induced cancer from the vaccine they had pushed and virtue signalled about.  That would just be bloody fantastic wouldn't it?

I'd never need to drink again.  I'd be permanently happy.  I might actually die of joy.

Currently I am feigning sympathy when some non-celebrity schmuck dies of the vaccine.  Well you have to don't you?  It's not nice to laugh when stupid people die.

But if Hollywood scum start dying I am just going to give up pretending and dance wildly in the streets.
How will you feel if and when Trump, all Republican Members of Congress, half of Republicans, 90+% of nice states such as Vermont and New Hampshire, die from the COVID vaccine?
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: mikemac on October 17, 2021, 11:12:33 PM
Swiss Guard Indicts Pope for Vax Blackmail

VATICAN CITY (ChurchMilitant.com) - A soldier who quit the Pontifical Swiss Guard as a conscientious objector is pointing the finger at Pope Francis for discriminating against the guardsmen and blackmailing them into taking the abortion-tainted vaccine.
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https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/swiss-guard-indicts-pope-for-vaccine-blackmail
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on October 18, 2021, 01:57:02 PM
Best coment there

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Funny, that these fanatical advocates and promoters of the modernist Vatican 2 ideology which introduced the concepts of the ‘freedom of conscience’ and ‘human liberty’ to the bosom of the Church would deny them to those under their authority!
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on October 18, 2021, 03:08:33 PM
The "worst cold ever" currently going around the UK is actually the "delta AY.LM40 variant"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dr-gottlieb-warns-new-super-variant-behind-latest-covid-comeback-uk
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: mikemac on October 21, 2021, 07:18:10 PM
Hospital is lying about bed shortage: Whistleblower nurse fired for refusing COVID shot

Brad McDowell claimed a religious exemption to being vaccinated for COVID as a Registered Emergency Room Nurse, but the Valley Health System of Winchester, VA fired him. And to make matters worse, Valley Health is turning away patients, claiming a shortage of beds.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/video/nurse-fired-for-refusing-vaccine-speaks-out/
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: mikemac on October 21, 2021, 07:31:04 PM
BOMBSHELL: Pfizer whistleblower says vaccine 'glows,' contains 'toxic' luciferase, graphene oxide compounds

Melissa Strickler, a Christian, recently went public with insider emails showing Pfizer executives wanted to hide the vaccine's connection to aborted fetal cells. Now, she tells Jim Hale in this exclusive LifeSite interview that the company's jab includes toxic chemicals that make it 'glow,' including luciferase and graphene oxide.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/video/bombshell-pfizer-whistleblower-says-vaccine-glows-contains-toxic-luciferase-graphene-oxide-compounds/
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on October 21, 2021, 09:59:41 PM
I have to believe that it would very simple to get hold of those vaccines and check their contents.

Currently Russians are flying to Serbia to get Pfizer jabs so they can travel in the EU*  Why on earth would Putin or Luchashenko not simply run the western vaccine through a full analysis and show Sputnik was clean and the Pfizer and Moderna ones full of sorts of toxic shit?

That would be dead easy to do, the video would spread like wildfire and it would cause massive trouble in the western dictatorships.

*Given it is Serbia they are probably getting the certificate of the jab rather than the jab.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: GiftOfGod on October 21, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
I have to believe that it would very simple to get hold of those vaccines and check their contents.

Currently Russians are flying to Serbia to get Pfizer jabs so they can travel in the EU*  Why on earth would Putin or Luchashenko not simply run the western vaccine through a full analysis and show Sputnik was clean and the Pfizer and Moderna ones full of sorts of toxic shit?

That would be dead easy to do, the video would spread like wildfire and it would cause massive trouble in the western dictatorships.

*Given it is Serbia they are probably getting the certificate of the jab rather than the jab.
I say a similar thing to the nuts who think the moon landing was a hoax. The USSR would have known and had a lot to gain by exposing the USA's moon landing as a fraud.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on October 21, 2021, 11:24:22 PM
Why on earth would Putin or Luchashenko not simply run the western vaccine through a full analysis and show Sputnik was clean and the Pfizer and Moderna ones full of sorts of toxic shit?

Is there anyone who wasn't convinced by all of the existing whistleblowers (all of whom have medical or biochemistry backgrounds) but who would be convinced by Vladimir Putin?
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: MaximGun on October 21, 2021, 11:44:47 PM
The Russian academy of Science put out the results of the tests.  Independent researchers do the same and publish their findings.  The anti lockdown crowd.  Lawyers getting 40% of the settlement.  Opposition politicians.  Those sorts of people.
Title: Re: Vaccine Passports - use this thread to provide info on new restrictions
Post by: diaduit on October 22, 2021, 05:24:48 PM
Why on earth would Putin or Luchashenko not simply run the western vaccine through a full analysis and show Sputnik was clean and the Pfizer and Moderna ones full of sorts of toxic shit?

Is there anyone who wasn't convinced by all of the existing whistleblowers (all of whom have medical or biochemistry backgrounds) but who would be convinced by Vladimir Putin?

I'm not convinced by some of the whistleblowers but I wouldn't trust Putin much either.