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Title: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Philip G. on February 03, 2019, 09:02:43 AM
This is from his recent news letter.  I only find it interesting because I don't recall him ever citing Bishop Williamson before. 

http://www.realjewnewsletter.com/

Holocaustianity Chapter & Verse
The Truth can take its time, exhorts Bishop Williamson of 'Holocaust Denial' fame.

Williamson underlines the importance of perceiving Jewry's game in subverting Christianity with their mythical 'six million' religion.

"Holocaustianity apes all the features of Christianity," the bishop points out.

It has its martyrs (the 'six million') its saints (Elie Wiesel, Anne Frank), its pilgrimages (to Auschwitz), its cathedrals (Holocaust museums), its alms-giving to obtain pardon (reparation payments), its relics (camp inmates' teeth, hair, shoes,) and its lives of the Saints ("Night" by Elie Wiesel and "Diary Of Anne Frank.")

I GREW UP as a Jew in the '50s and we were NEVER told there were gas chambers and NEVER heard the over-blown figure of six million.

Instead, as Jacob Marcus outlined in his World War II entry in the Encyclopedia Britannica (since removed), we were taught that only "thousands of Jews" perished in the German work camps.

Germans put people to work rather than gas them. Even Wiesel in his first edition of "Night" made the horrific mistake of forgetting to mention gas chambers.

Why did he forget? BECAUSE THERE WERE NONE.   Here & Here.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: martin88nyc on February 03, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
When you go to Auschwitz or other Nazi concentration camps in Poland the official plaques have numbers other than what is claimed.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: clau clau on February 03, 2019, 02:54:36 PM
(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-you-would-know-who-controls-you-see-who-you-may-not-criticise-tacitus-49-63-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: TheReturnofLive on February 03, 2019, 09:16:45 PM
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Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Prayerful on February 04, 2019, 03:17:51 PM
url seems to 404 on me. Isn't Bro Nathanael without any canonical standing as a monk within Eastern Orthodoxy?
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: TheReturnofLive on February 04, 2019, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: Prayerful on February 04, 2019, 03:17:51 PM
url seems to 404 on me. Isn't Bro Nathanael without any canonical standing as a monk within Eastern Orthodoxy?

According to what I know, he is officially in canonical standing. There was a statement initially put out by ROCOR, but it was retracted, and subsequently, we received this:
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brothernathanaelfoundation.org%2Fpics%2FBNAffirm.png&hash=2c51df94caa6a6e007776a22ba8ee30290dbe901)

(in my opinion though, it's wrong that he is - it shouldn't be his job as a monk to be spending his time on the internet writing Jewish conspiracy theories and making videos on every single news event.
My opinion, based on watching some of his videos, is that his whole facade is just him trying to "get back" at his own Jewish family, who were probably extremely hostile to Christianity when he was interested in it. It's shameful a monk doesn't see that as earthly / sinful attachment, and it's embarassing how infantile he can be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsPCplGv6kk
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Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Prayerful on February 04, 2019, 04:05:57 PM
Yes, I don't see it as entirely worthy of a monk. See Sacrucensis (https://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/) where the young Pater Edmund Waldstein O.Cist  of Heiligenkreuz Abbey regularly makes learned posts that bridge matters political, philosophical and religious, as an example of monastic blogging done well. Priests and religious who become walking, talking political blogs are irritating, and a large portion of his videos are not just political, but toxically so.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Gardener on February 04, 2019, 06:57:39 PM
How is he a regular communicant at a place in New York when he lives in Leadville, CO? Or has he moved back to New York?

Is it standard for Monks to be on their own like that?
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: TheReturnofLive on February 04, 2019, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: Gardener on February 04, 2019, 06:57:39 PM
How is he a regular communicant at a place in New York when he lives in Leadville, CO? Or has he moved back to New York?

Is it standard for Monks to be on their own like that?

Metropolitan Hilarion is the first bishop of the entire ROCOR jurisdiction, and he's headquartered in New York.

It's not exactly the same, but in Catholicism, it would be like getting a note from your Cardinal rather than your Bishop.

Structurally, while they are under the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church, they really operate rather independently due to the fact that they broke communion with the Russian Orthodox Church when it announced that Communism as an ideology was compatible with Christianity, only re-entering communion about 10 years ago (obviously, not without controversy among the more traditionalist Orthodox).

And no, it's not standard at all.

He's specifically a "Hieromonk," where he is both a Priest and a Monk - this behavior is supposedly allowed on the basis of his ministry as a Priest, which necessarily will require more freedom in leaving the monastery, although most people clearly are antagonistic towards how he's often allowed to run around like a dog without a chain.

Apparently, his Father Confessor, Bishop Shaw, has tried to steer him away from these activities, but obviously - either he's not trying enough, or Brother Nathaniel is not listening enough.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Gardener on February 04, 2019, 11:27:25 PM
Milton Kapner is ordained?
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: TheReturnofLive on February 04, 2019, 11:53:26 PM
I thought he was on the basis that he wears his Crucifix outside his cassock, which only Abbots (and he sure ain't an Abbot) and Hieromonks do in Monastic Communities, but I can't find any evidence that he was ordained.

I have no idea why they are this flexible with him; there appears to be evidence he is mentally insane,
https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/milton-kapner/denver-colorado-/milton-kapner-brother-nathaniel-milton-is-a-mentally-ill-denver-colorado-1008974
which is why they are maybe lenient with him? Maybe he has grand delusions about some kind of Jewish conspiracy that's out to get him.

Also, he appears to be nothing more than a Novice - which people are until they officially take tonsure and become a monk. So maybe they are just letting him hang around and never letting him become a monk.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Chestertonian on February 05, 2019, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: Gardener on February 04, 2019, 06:57:39 PM
How is he a regular communicant at a place in New York when he lives in Leadville, CO? Or has he moved back to New York?

Is it standard for Monks to be on their own like that?
he must be able to bilocate
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Vetus Ordo on February 05, 2019, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: martin88nyc on February 03, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
When you go to Auschwitz or other Nazi concentration camps in Poland the official plaques have numbers other than what is claimed.

The figures have been reduced over the years.

It takes a lot of time to wade through war propaganda.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Heinrich on February 05, 2019, 01:57:48 PM
Quote from: Gardener on February 04, 2019, 06:57:39 PM
How is he a regular communicant at a place in New York when he lives in Leadville, CO? Or has he moved back to New York?

Is it standard for Monks to be on their own like that?

He was in Frisco, not Leadville. He has since moved to Idaho
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Gardener on February 07, 2019, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on February 05, 2019, 01:57:48 PM
Quote from: Gardener on February 04, 2019, 06:57:39 PM
How is he a regular communicant at a place in New York when he lives in Leadville, CO? Or has he moved back to New York?

Is it standard for Monks to be on their own like that?

He was in Frisco, not Leadville. He has since moved to Idaho

He has address history all over, including Leadville.

Either way, an odd duck for sure.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Philip G. on February 08, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
Speaking of dancing at the crossroads. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-qNFoNHts
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Heinrich on February 09, 2019, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: Gardener on February 07, 2019, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on February 05, 2019, 01:57:48 PM
Quote from: Gardener on February 04, 2019, 06:57:39 PM
How is he a regular communicant at a place in New York when he lives in Leadville, CO? Or has he moved back to New York?

Is it standard for Monks to be on their own like that?

He was in Frisco, not Leadville. He has since moved to Idaho

The Scotsman once live in Leadville, too. But now he doesn't.  :shrug: :tinfoil:

He has address history all over, including Leadville.

Either way, an odd duck for sure.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: TheReturnofLive on February 09, 2019, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: Philip G. on February 08, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
Speaking of dancing at the crossroads. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-qNFoNHts

The thing is that while he does say a lot of - in my personal opinion - things that I think are out right ridiculous and unsubstantiated, like arguing the death of the Tsar and his family was a Jewish Blood Ritual - what I think makes people like him a lot is he very bluntly does sometimes tell the truth like it is.

He made a video recently on the United States trying to get the Venezuelan government overthrown, and while I don't think anybody would agree that Maduro is really a noble President who really is the angel of the Venezuelan people, it's extremely clear that the US is only interested in Venezuela - not because they actually care about the people, but just so that they steal it's resources and open up it's markets to be taken advantage of.

Nobody says an opinion like that bluntly, except for Brother Nathaniel, which is why I think people are attracted to him.
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Philip G. on February 13, 2019, 10:38:16 PM
Returnoflive - Russian RT news says the same thing.  I think Brother Nathanael does sufficient homework. 

Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: TheReturnofLive on February 14, 2019, 08:30:43 PM
Do you think RT is a trustworthy news site?
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Heinrich on February 14, 2019, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: TheReturnofLive on February 14, 2019, 08:30:43 PM
Do you think RT is a trustworthy news site?

More so than any US news site. (MSM)
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: TheReturnofLive on February 14, 2019, 09:21:54 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on February 14, 2019, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: TheReturnofLive on February 14, 2019, 08:30:43 PM
Do you think RT is a trustworthy news site?

More so than any US news site. (MSM)

Probably honestly. The thing is, the propaganda on RT is very obvious and not subtle at all, whereas in the US, it is a lot more subtle (but still clearly propaganda)
Title: Re: Brother Nathanael talking about Bishop Williamson
Post by: Gardener on February 14, 2019, 10:44:53 PM
It depends on the manner in which one watches.

If one wants the Russian perspective, check RT. If you want the center-left perspective, Fox. Communist, CNN. Correct, crap in the toilet and look before you flush.