Can prayers/suffrages avail reduction of pains for the damned/lost?

Started by Xavier, August 20, 2022, 09:30:58 AM

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Xavier

Dear Friends, so I was reading St. Robert's book on Purgatory. And in one place he cites what St. Augustine wrote in his Enchiridion Chapter 110. The Doctor seems to suggest that not only can the faithful departed avail the full remission of their sins through our prayers, as we know, but also perhaps that some of the lost may receive a less severe condemnation?

Thoughts on this? Highlighted below.

St. Augustine: "Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead are benefited by the piety of their living friends, who offer the sacrifice of the Mediator, or give alms in the church on their behalf. But these services are of advantage only to those who during their lives have earned such merit, that services of this kind can help them. For there is a manner of life which is neither so good as not to require these services after death, nor so bad that such services are of no avail after death; there is, on the other hand, a kind of life so good as not to require them; and again, one so bad that when life is over they render no help. Therefore, it is in this life that all the merit or demerit is acquired, which can either relieve or aggravate a man's sufferings after this life. No one, then, need hope that after he is dead he shall obtain merit with God which he has neglected to secure here.

And accordingly it is plain that the services which the church celebrates for the dead are in no way opposed to the apostle's words: "For we must all appear before the judgment-seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad;" for the merit which renders such services as I speak of profitable to a man, is earned while he lives in the body. It is not to every one that these services are profitable. And why are they not profitable to all, except because of the different kinds of lives that men lead in the body? When, then, sacrifices either of the altar or of alms are offered on behalf of all the baptized dead, they are thank-offerings for the very good, they are propitiatory offerings for the not very bad, and in the case of the very bad, even though they do not assist the dead, they are a species of consolation to the living. And where they are profitable, their benefit consists either in obtaining a full remission of sins, or at least in making the condemnation more tolerable."

Taken from: https://www.logoslibrary.org/augustine/enchiridion/110.html
Bible verses on walking blamelessly with God, after being forgiven from our former sins. Some verses here: https://dailyverses.net/blameless

"[2] He that walketh without blemish, and worketh justice:[3] He that speaketh truth in his heart, who hath not used deceit in his tongue: Nor hath done evil to his neighbour: nor taken up a reproach against his neighbours.(Psalm 14)

"[2] For in many things we all offend. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man."(James 3)

"[14] And do ye all things without murmurings and hesitations; [15] That you may be blameless, and sincere children of God, without reproof, in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation; among whom you shine as lights in the world." (Phil 2:14-15)

Fuerza

I would think that he is using the term "condemnation" in the general sense of punishment, rather than the specific sense of eternal damnation. It sounds to me that he is referring to at least lessening the severity of a soul's purification in purgatory if that person's complete release cannot be secured by whatever prayer is being offered. It would strike me as odd if St. Augustine believed that prayers were of any benefit to the damned, given the Church's stance that they are beyond our help.

Prayerful

I understand that those who die with final despair or do whatsoever consigns them to hell cannot be usefully prayed for, that nothing can moderate or end their punishment. Yes, like Fuerza says, surely those in Purgatory, who suffer but for a finite time, are those whom St Augustine is describing, although it can seem a bit unclear.
Padre Pio: Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer.