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An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« on: October 17, 2013, 11:56:32 PM »
I thought it would be good to post this...

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Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....


So due to recent developments in the "Real debat with fundies" thread, I've decided to start this thread. I'd like to have a civil, respectful discussion with them, pertaining to the same issue that was discussed on their forum. I believe it was homosexuality. I didn't read the thread, so I don't know what all was laid out, but here's a chance to put it out there, without the usual threat of being banned for going against the grain.

I'd invite Chesterbelloc, LouisIX, and anyone else that might want to join in for the catholics to feel free to be heard here.

I'd like to ask the members of TTA to be respectful and civilized during this discussion, as I believe as human being we are capable of doing so in any circumstance, so long as we understand that these are just ideas that we are presenting in this particular argument.

Put your heartfelt emotion into your argument, not into petty insults.

So then, catholics........why do you see it as a moral right to be able to legislate against homosexuality?
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 12:02:42 AM by Christknight104 »

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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2013, 11:57:55 PM »
As a heads up, Crimson has been unbanned.

But, this will be interesting to read/see. 
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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 12:44:41 AM »
I'd just ignore them over at that atheist forum.  Crimson Flyboy is not being honest even in his first post over there.  He posted;

"Great idea. The following story started that thread: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/05/burn-in-hell-you-racist-pigs-christian-baker-who-refused-to-make-lesbian-couples-wedding-cake-details-creepy-alleged-break-in-ongoing-challenges/

I made the statement that this is a violation of the cake shop's first amendment rights, and the Catholics explained that they hate religious liberty and homosexuals. The rest was craziness."

Meanwhile contrary to what Crimson Flyboy posted this is the story that started the thread.  It says that not just the one company was forced to close down like the article that Crimson Flyboy posted over there, but at least 13 companies are listed in this article that were forced to close for the same reason.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/gay-persecution-of-christians-the-latest-evidence

They have declared war.  But people are just fed up to the ears with it, not just Catholics and not just Christians in general, but everyone is fed up with the militant atheist homosexual agenda.  I've even seen some homosexuals that have posted their disgust with their militant actions.  This can only end three different ways.

1. They back off with their militant actions.
2. Catholic persecution will increase.
3. We start to fight back and see victory.

The time of treating them with kid gloves is long past.   
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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 01:51:25 AM »
Lol no thanks Jeff. Athiest forums are hell holes. Self congratulatory ignoramuses high fiving each other for how rude, obnoxious and immoral they can be. I don't believe a word those snakes say. Too many times I've tried to debate with internet atheists. Have yet to come across one that was sincere. Think about it, if they were sincere God would have already rewarded them for their seeking truth. As it stands it's nothing more than mockery, ganging up and some pretended intellectual interest which is nothing more than an excuse later in life to tell someone "I know all your arguments you Jesus loving pedo". This is a bold and prideful forum war challenge not a meaningful and humble pursuit of truth.

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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 02:42:29 AM »
Lol no thanks Jeff. Athiest forums are hell holes. Self congratulatory ignoramuses high fiving each other for how rude, obnoxious and immoral they can be.

Nailed it IMO.  "No thanks Jeff" was actually my same exact thought as soon as I saw the OP lol.

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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 04:12:29 AM »
I'm back.  Thank you Louis for letting me come back on y'all's forum.  I am sorry for mocking y'all on The Thinking Atheist forum, that wasn't very nice of me.  I have learned quite a lot from y'all, such as my need to brush up on philosophy.  I have many assumptions in my philosophical world view which I struggle to explain adequately.  Thanks for the help so far.
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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 06:11:00 AM »
I'm back.  Thank you Louis for letting me come back on y'all's forum.  I am sorry for mocking y'all on The Thinking Atheist forum, that wasn't very nice of me.  I have learned quite a lot from y'all, such as my need to brush up on philosophy.  I have many assumptions in my philosophical world view which I struggle to explain adequately.  Thanks for the help so far.
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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 07:20:46 AM »
From what I remember, The Thinking Atheist certainly isn't the worst atheist forum. You should've seen r/atheism in its heyday, or Dawkins' Facebook fanpage.

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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 09:35:09 AM »
I'm back.  Thank you Louis for letting me come back on y'all's forum.  I am sorry for mocking y'all on The Thinking Atheist forum, that wasn't very nice of me.  I have learned quite a lot from y'all, such as my need to brush up on philosophy.  I have many assumptions in my philosophical world view which I struggle to explain adequately.  Thanks for the help so far.

A fundamental of philosophy is getting it straight about what objective "truth" is. Does the moon objectively exist, even if one is blind? Does a virus exist, objectively, for a newborn being that his mind is unaware of it? The answer is, yes.

What is truth's relationship to logic & reason? It brings us truth. If a=b and b=c, it is a truth that  a=c.

However, logic and reason are not identical. You can have true logic that does not result in reasonableness or truth - if the premises for the logic are not entirely true, or are lacking the consideration of some other truth.

Truth and reason cannot bear contradiction. Truth is internally consistent. No truth, on any subject, can be inconsistent with another truth.

Demonstration and empirical evidence help us towards truth. The mind is made for truth as the eye is made for light. The mind is not really satisfied unless it knows something is true. A person who professes that lying is good, will get angry when he is lied to.

If one doesn't grasp these fundamentals, he will flounder in argument without as solid foundation.

Empirical evidence: 1917 at Fatima, Portugal. Scientists who pride themselves in reason and normally put empirical evidence on a pedestal, do not want to touch this. It is a glaring silence. From memory, over 25,000 people, religious and anti-religious, and documented in the anti-Catholic press, witnessed the sun spiral towards the earth, and flash out rainbow colors, witnesses thinking the sun was plummeting to the earth. The earth was just previously soaking wet due to heavy rains. Within minutes everything and everyone was dry. No sunburn, no harm to the eyes of the people looking at the sun.

Scientists don't really want to touch this empirical evidence. Atheists included. When what they normally put on a pedestal wholesale, and then perpetual fear in certain instances, we conclude great significance exists they don't want to face.
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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2013, 09:41:30 AM »
. Athiest forums are hell holes.

  I believe you.  And also boring beyond belief, judging by their ambassadors here.

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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 10:03:39 AM »

I'm back.  Thank you Louis for letting me come back on y'all's forum.  I am sorry for mocking y'all on The Thinking Atheist forum, that wasn't very nice of me.  I have learned quite a lot from y'all, such as my need to brush up on philosophy.  I have many assumptions in my philosophical world view which I struggle to explain adequately.  Thanks for the help so far.

A fundamental of philosophy is getting it straight about what objective "truth" is. Does the moon objectively exist, even if one is blind? Does a virus exist, objectively, for a newborn being that his mind is unaware of it? The answer is, yes.

What is truth's relationship to logic & reason? It brings us truth. If a=b and b=c, it is a truth that  a=c.

However, logic and reason are not identical. You can have true logic that does not result in reasonableness or truth - if the premises for the logic are not entirely true, or are lacking the consideration of some other truth.

Truth and reason cannot bear contradiction. Truth is internally consistent. No truth, on any subject, can be inconsistent with another truth.

Demonstration and empirical evidence help us towards truth. The mind is made for truth as the eye is made for light. The mind is not really satisfied unless it knows something is true. A person who professes that lying is good, will get angry when he is lied to.

If one doesn't grasp these fundamentals, he will flounder in argument without as solid foundation.

Empirical evidence: 1917 at Fatima, Portugal. Scientists who pride themselves in reason and normally put empirical evidence on a pedestal, do not want to touch this. It is a glaring silence. From memory, over 25,000 people, religious and anti-religious, and documented in the anti-Catholic press, witnessed the sun spiral towards the earth, and flash out rainbow colors, witnesses thinking the sun was plummeting to the earth. The earth was just previously soaking wet due to heavy rains. Within minutes everything and everyone was dry. No sunburn, no harm to the eyes of the people looking at the sun.

Scientists don't really want to touch this empirical evidence. Atheists included. When what they normally put on a pedestal wholesale, and then perpetual fear in certain instances, we conclude great significance exists they don't want to face.

How can I look into the Fatima incident more?  Where is the evidence that this actually was a miracle?  I find it disappointing when a man refuses to look into something.  What is there to be afraid of?
You will win when you are ready to pronounce the oath I have taken at the start of my battle-and for those who wish to know the day of my return, I shall now repeat it to the hearing of the world:

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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2013, 10:05:15 AM »
I'm back.  Thank you Louis for letting me come back on y'all's forum.  I am sorry for mocking y'all on The Thinking Atheist forum, that wasn't very nice of me.  I have learned quite a lot from y'all, such as my need to brush up on philosophy.  I have many assumptions in my philosophical world view which I struggle to explain adequately.  Thanks for the help so far.
Your not fooling me...your insincere and deliberately obtuse
TRUTH is a toy to you...to sincere Catholics...Jesus Christ is Truth.....not A truth....but THE Truth. You want to redeem yourself? What say ye friend of Jesus Christ.?
I agree with VP on this one. I think the TTAs are here looking for more ammo so they can run another  snarky "who's craziest" poll. They're like children who ring the
the doorbell and run away. I guess that's par for the course from a bunch of wet-behind the-ears twenty somethings.
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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2013, 10:08:23 AM »
I've apologized for the poll, I was a bit upset about the name calling toward homosexuals.  I have a homosexual in my family, and that can touch a nerve.
You will win when you are ready to pronounce the oath I have taken at the start of my battle-and for those who wish to know the day of my return, I shall now repeat it to the hearing of the world:

“I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." - John Galt

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Re: An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 10:08:52 AM »

I'm back.  Thank you Louis for letting me come back on y'all's forum.  I am sorry for mocking y'all on The Thinking Atheist forum, that wasn't very nice of me.  I have learned quite a lot from y'all, such as my need to brush up on philosophy.  I have many assumptions in my philosophical world view which I struggle to explain adequately.  Thanks for the help so far.

A fundamental of philosophy is getting it straight about what objective "truth" is. Does the moon objectively exist, even if one is blind? Does a virus exist, objectively, for a newborn being that his mind is unaware of it? The answer is, yes.

What is truth's relationship to logic & reason? It brings us truth. If a=b and b=c, it is a truth that  a=c.

However, logic and reason are not identical. You can have true logic that does not result in reasonableness or truth - if the premises for the logic are not entirely true, or are lacking the consideration of some other truth.

Truth and reason cannot bear contradiction. Truth is internally consistent. No truth, on any subject, can be inconsistent with another truth.

Demonstration and empirical evidence help us towards truth. The mind is made for truth as the eye is made for light. The mind is not really satisfied unless it knows something is true. A person who professes that lying is good, will get angry when he is lied to.

If one doesn't grasp these fundamentals, he will flounder in argument without as solid foundation.

Empirical evidence: 1917 at Fatima, Portugal. Scientists who pride themselves in reason and normally put empirical evidence on a pedestal, do not want to touch this. It is a glaring silence. From memory, over 25,000 people, religious and anti-religious, and documented in the anti-Catholic press, witnessed the sun spiral towards the earth, and flash out rainbow colors, witnesses thinking the sun was plummeting to the earth. The earth was just previously soaking wet due to heavy rains. Within minutes everything and everyone was dry. No sunburn, no harm to the eyes of the people looking at the sun.

Scientists don't really want to touch this empirical evidence. Atheists included. When what they normally put on a pedestal wholesale, and then perpetual fear in certain instances, we conclude great significance exists they don't want to face.

How can I look into the Fatima incident more?  Where is the evidence that this actually was a miracle?  I find it disappointing when a man refuses to look into something.  What is there to be afraid of?

I didn't use the word "miracle". So, apparently you have heard of it. How can you look more into it? Try google.com 

Don't disappoint yourself and look into it. Do not be afraid. It is obvious from the points I gave from memory that I had looked into it already.
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An Invitation from The Thinking Atheist Forum
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2013, 10:17:33 AM »

I'm back.  Thank you Louis for letting me come back on y'all's forum.  I am sorry for mocking y'all on The Thinking Atheist forum, that wasn't very nice of me.  I have learned quite a lot from y'all, such as my need to brush up on philosophy.  I have many assumptions in my philosophical world view which I struggle to explain adequately.  Thanks for the help so far.

A fundamental of philosophy is getting it straight about what objective "truth" is. Does the moon objectively exist, even if one is blind? Does a virus exist, objectively, for a newborn being that his mind is unaware of it? The answer is, yes.

What is truth's relationship to logic & reason? It brings us truth. If a=b and b=c, it is a truth that  a=c.

However, logic and reason are not identical. You can have true logic that does not result in reasonableness or truth - if the premises for the logic are not entirely true, or are lacking the consideration of some other truth.

Truth and reason cannot bear contradiction. Truth is internally consistent. No truth, on any subject, can be inconsistent with another truth.

Demonstration and empirical evidence help us towards truth. The mind is made for truth as the eye is made for light. The mind is not really satisfied unless it knows something is true. A person who professes that lying is good, will get angry when he is lied to.

If one doesn't grasp these fundamentals, he will flounder in argument without as solid foundation.

Empirical evidence: 1917 at Fatima, Portugal. Scientists who pride themselves in reason and normally put empirical evidence on a pedestal, do not want to touch this. It is a glaring silence. From memory, over 25,000 people, religious and anti-religious, and documented in the anti-Catholic press, witnessed the sun spiral towards the earth, and flash out rainbow colors, witnesses thinking the sun was plummeting to the earth. The earth was just previously soaking wet due to heavy rains. Within minutes everything and everyone was dry. No sunburn, no harm to the eyes of the people looking at the sun.

Scientists don't really want to touch this empirical evidence. Atheists included. When what they normally put on a pedestal wholesale, and then perpetual fear in certain instances, we conclude great significance exists they don't want to face.

How can I look into the Fatima incident more?  Where is the evidence that this actually was a miracle?  I find it disappointing when a man refuses to look into something.  What is there to be afraid of?

I didn't use the word "miracle". So, apparently you have heard of it. How can you look more into it? Try google.com 

Don't disappoint yourself and look into it. Do not be afraid. It is obvious from the points I gave from memory that I had looked into it already.

Yes I have heard of it, and even though toy didn't use the word miracle, what you described would be called a miracle since that sort of thing doesn't normally happen.  I believe in looking into matters skeptically, so one shouldn't accept or reject something without evidence.  I would of course have questions going in, how can it be proved that all 25,000 people saw the same thing?  Were 25,000 testimonies taken?
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You will win when you are ready to pronounce the oath I have taken at the start of my battle-and for those who wish to know the day of my return, I shall now repeat it to the hearing of the world:

“I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." - John Galt