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The title of the thread happens to represent what I have told many other people before I read this headline and article.

I wanted to start a new thread here and not hijack the SSPX one in Catholic Discussion about the content of vaccines.  I agree with the premises in this article.  To be noted, for those who perhaps are so young that they couldn't have "remembered" this, is that never before in American history has universal vaccination been recommended (for an entire population, all ages) at such a rapid pace.  I'm not speaking here of the speed of the vaccine development itself.  I'm speaking of the assumption of massive vaccination a.s.a.p. 

The world has gone mad, and that can only be attributable to the success of the devil, imo.  Previously, rational people would never have suggested vaccination for a new, mostly non-deadly virus on such a massive and immediate scale.

I have said from the beginning that the Covid does not qualify as a public health crisis.  To quality as a public health crisis a disease should present randomly equal risk to all populations and all ages in the same approximate degree.  (An example would be the bubonic plague.)  Had any officials -- the "public health" officials themselves, the governors, etc -- been stopped back in February from being allowed to define Covid as a public threat, we wouldn't be operating in a world of artificial hysteria and the resulting decisions based on that artificiality.

Covid is a potential private health crisis for select groups , meaning those:
~with co-morbidities, which is correlated with age but not caused by age
~with immunosuppression

The fact that a small percentage have died from complications is also not a public health crisis but a private one. Many, many diseases, new and old, have surprising or sudden events outside textbook expectations, yet despite the fact that there has been a segment of tragedies in those situations, health officials did not consider those to be public emergencies, either.

In similar situations, the medical community has never recommended that "everyone" get vaccinated. People at risk should be prioritized if they want the vaccine, but everyone should get his or her doctor's advice ("private health crisis") before making that decision.

The medical community has not urged "everyone," literally, to get a flu vaccine.  They recommend it but they do not hype it.  Ditto for the pneumonia vaccine.  The one vaccine they are unanimous about are the childhood vaccines (MMR).  Yet both flu and pneumonia are deadly for some every year.  There is no logical or medical explanation for the radical difference in the official approach to this disease versus other viruses that are similarly not perfectly predictable and not without deadly complications.

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The first erroneous assumption SAGE [a British organizaiton] makes is that “100% of the population was susceptible to the virus and that no pre-existing immunity existed.”

"Yeadon states this notion is “ridiculous because while SARS-CoV-2 is indeed novel, coronaviruses are not. There’s no such thing as an ‘ancestor-less virus’.” Indeed, he points out, there are at least “four, endemic, common-cold inducing coronaviruses … [which] circulate freely in UK and elsewhere.” Those who have been infected by “one or more of these endemic, common-cold producing coronaviruses in the past, have a long-lived and robust [T-cell] immunity, not only to those viruses, but to closely related viruses. SARS-CoV-2 is one such closely-related virus. “To not expect such cross-over is … to demonstrate the lack of the requisite understanding to build a model reliable enough to use.”

Further, he states, that the common PCR test which is used for detecting COVID-19 “cases,” may come out positive when someone is infected with one of these common cold coronaviruses rendering this test that much less reliable. Of course, based on the final results of these tests, many thousands of individuals have been ordered to disrupt their lives and “self-quarantine” for up to 14 days."

I myself was very fortunate that I had had a non-novel coronavirus just a few weeks before my Covid Light, which fact, I've been told, probably protected me from a full blown episode. And I must also say that I have shared my guess of 30% immunity with a few others before having just read this article this evening:

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"Finally, drawing from the scientific data, Dr. Yeadon concludes that due to previous exposure to common-cold coronaviruses, “a significant proportion (30%) of the population went into 2020 armed with T-cells capable of defending them against SARS-CoV-2, even though they had never seen the virus… SAGE was naively wrong to assume ‘everyone was susceptible’.”

The rest of the article is well worth reading and also confirms what I have said to others about the level of existing herd immunity.  I have based my assumptions on the high level of infection (I agree with him, laughably higher than 7%) combined with huge numbers of asymptomatic and low-symptomatic patients who were never tested, and recovered patients who have not been figured into any of the statistics (massive numbers of recovered individuals).

Yeardon is completely right also about antibodies vs. T-cells, and how that works with coronaviruses; his statements confirm my own wide reading.

To be noted that he is enraged about what has happened in his own U.K.  Would that even one prominent American become equally enraged.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-pfizer-vp-no-need-for-vaccines-the-pandemic-is-effectively-over?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=005f476b31-Daily%2520Headlines%2520-%2520U.S._COPY_676&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12387f0e3e-005f476b31-400672393


 
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I forgot to add that there's an important section in the article about adverse reactions.  That is also something that I anticipated and thus wanted to be certain to avoid. 
 
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Yes I agree, humans are loosing any focus on reality.  Dr Yeadon is excellent.
 
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I forgot to add that there's an important section in the article about adverse reactions.  That is also something that I anticipated and thus wanted to be certain to avoid.

For certain.  With a 99.35% survivability rate one would be a fool to take the vaccine.  As their own data would seem to indicate that the vaccine is more risky than the virus. 

Yes, this is the work of the devil.  And the vehicle was dumbing down and making everyone photographers, artists, card creators, spreadsheet creators, Social Media where the writings and opinions are liked, etc.  I will accuse myself of the last one listed as well.  But at least I have something to say, even if you think me off my rocker at times.  I do have a consistent point of view.  Either way, enough about me.

Recall my Mother telling me Las Vegas was a plastic city.  So young I thought she was serious.  That made never go there.  And it explained a lot to me.

Most poor kids, many who are well into adulthood, never had a mother to tell them little nuggets like this.  It is an essential part in the development of a human being.
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The virus was likely a vaccine candidate that leaked or was released from China.  Very infectious and provokes an immune response.  Not lethal at all.  It was likely a SARs (a real disease) vaccine candidate.  That is why they found some genetic engineering.  Also note that the deaths are the result of an immune overreaction, the cool sounding cytokine storm.  Which happens in certain sick people.

Likely Big Pharma knows this.  They isolated the virus, attenuated it, then sell it as a vaccine.  COVID IS a vaccine.

On the plus side, if you got COVID (and there's a better than 50% chance you did, and didn't know it), you are now likely immune from SARs.
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The virus was likely a vaccine candidate that leaked or was released from China.  Very infectious and provokes an immune response.  Not lethal at all.  It was likely a SARs (a real disease) vaccine candidate.  That is why they found some genetic engineering.  Also note that the deaths are the result of an immune overreaction, the cool sounding cytokine storm.  Which happens in certain sick people.

Right.  I did know all about cytokine storm.  Even Birx has spoken about it publicly.  However, in an article I read several weeks ago, which I will post later, there has been a concern in the medical community about a vaccine itself causing the storm in those who have successfully fought Covid off with T-cells. (Translation -- again -- why take a vaccine when your body has already done the work"Earth to insufficiently educated people, Come in, people...." )

It's astounding to me that despite a supposedly advanced education these days in all things STEM (Science-Technology-Engineering-Math) the country has failed to learn (or has forgotten) basic biological principles, including immunological ones.  It seems that all the time is being spent on the T in STEM.  Technology alone is "needed" to "defeat" a virus.  Well, viruses, being extraordinarily tiny, often have a way of circumventing modern science.

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On the plus side, if you got COVID (and there's a better than 50% chance you did, and didn't know it), you are now likely immune from SARs.

I was aware of this, too, but good to repeat. 
 
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Biden will be POTUS, so COVID isn't needed anymore.
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Biden will be POTUS, so COVID isn't needed anymore.

My blue state has become more regressive and heavy-handed, not less.  Greater shaming, greater signaling, greater regulation, and elevated Covid propaganda/psy-ops.
 
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-pfizer-vp-no-need-for-vaccines-the-pandemic-is-effectively-over?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=005f476b31-Daily%2520Headlines%2520-%2520U.S._COPY_676&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12387f0e3e-005f476b31-400672393

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Since it is demonstrable that “around 30% of the population had prior immunity,” and if one includes some young children who are “resistant,” 40%, and while considering that the infection rate is “somewhere [in] the mid-20s to low-30s per cent,” this means that around 65 to 72% of the population currently has immunity to COVID-19.

And considering the reality of herd immunity, when susceptibility to a virus falls this low, at around 28 to 35%, “that population can no longer support an expanding outbreak of disease,” and thus the virus “wanes and disappears.”

Therefore, Yeadon concludes, “the pandemic is effectively over and can easily be handled by a properly functioning NHS (National Health Service). Accordingly, the country should immediately be permitted to get back to normal life.”
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I hope Dr. Yeadon is correct.  If this is the case then we should be seeing the amount of new covid cases decreasing considerably in the near future, until we don't see anymore new cases.
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I visited the complete article that LifeSite links.  Because of the fact that many of us on SD, and many other trads, have gullible, obedient relatives who do or may urge us to join in their hysteria, and we find ourselves left only to our own arguments, I think it can be helpful to refer to the arguments of others more learned than ourselves.  (Especially when anyone claims to be arguing "science" and "data.")  I have this link handy to send to my sister and to anyone else, including misinformed Catholics.  In addition, citing this link instead of Life Site avoids the problematic "conservative/reactionary" accusation.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/
 
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The 1918 flu pandemic lasted from February 1918 to April 1920, infected about a third of the world's population and then died off.

Considering the 1918 flu pandemic infected about 33% of the world's population then died off, what Dr. Yeadon is saying makes a lot of sense.
Like John Vennari (RIP) said "Why not just do it?  What would it hurt?"
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https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/what-covid-vaccine-hype-fails-mention

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There is no information about how long any protective benefit from the vaccine would persist. Antibody response following covid-19 appears to be short lived. Based on what we know, the covid vaccine may require two shots every three to six months to be protective. The more shots required, the greater the risk of side effects from sensitization to the vaccine.

The human race is just a bunch of guinea pigs to the powers that be.
 
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Biden will be POTUS, so COVID isn't needed anymore.

My blue state has become more regressive and heavy-handed, not less.  Greater shaming, greater signaling, greater regulation, and elevated Covid propaganda/psy-ops.

I suppose the experiment is proving successful. Oligarchs lose a little money, but they gain massive control over people, while crushing small businesses. That for them is winning with a very limited downside.
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