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Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« on: November 11, 2020, 03:59:21 PM »
I just found out that I can become an Irish citizen because my grandmother was an Irish citizen. I am considering pursuing it in case the ship USA sinks with Joe Biden/Kamela Harris at the helm. I am also interested in knowing if the Irish national health system is any good because if so, I've love to stop paying $300/month for medical insurance and just fly over to Ireland for free quality medical care.
 

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Re: Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2020, 04:44:39 PM »
I'll be interested to see the responses.

It's certainly a beautiful country.
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Re: Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2020, 05:01:13 PM »
You know I'm Irish right :)

Our country is every bit as liberal if not worse than USA and we have an Irish trait where we do not stick our neck above the parapet, its all about appearing respectable and staying on the same side as the majority.  At least in America you have a massive shift towards conservatism and the tide is beginning to turn although you are surrounded by evil statesmen (same here).

We don't own guns and you are only allowed a gun for strict purposes such as a farmer or you shoot for hunting purposes.  It is a very small country and difficult to go under the radar even in the rural areas.  Everybody knows whose who around here.

The health system is chronic if you are depending on the public health system (free).  It is fine for minor issues but if you have a serious illness especially at the discovery stage, it is brutal.  You could be waiting for months just for a consultation never mind an actual scan/procedure.  We have a number of private hospitals which are very good and on average a single man would pay €1800 per year for good cover in these private hospitals.  I myself will not let our family private health insurance lapse no matter what.
Housing is very expensive, cost of living is expensive but if you live outside of the big cities/big towns, it can be very affordable even for a large family.  There is a shortage of housing in most urban areas so you would need to have a good paying job to afford decent accommodation in Dublin.
The traditional Catholic community is small but exploding now with our priests being the only ones who are giving the Sacraments.  Trads would have some familiarity with each other but don't live nearby each other, you won't see too many bbqs or meet up in the parks/social events....its too cold most of the time. We are friendly, very friendly but don't expect invites to homes for Sunday roasts.  Our families are usually living close by and we are tied very much to them e.g visits to cousins, aunts and uncles and parents. 

Culturally we are still very Catholic, lots of Marian shrines on most roads outside of Dublin.  A Catholic church on every corner practically.  Quite a few towns you would still hear the Angelus bells.  Wouldn't be out of place to visit a friend and see a Sacred Heart up on some wall although more as an appeasement to the older Irish Mammies.

https://www.daft.ie/westmeath/apartments-for-sale/athlone/apartment-1-custume-pier-apartments-athlone-westmeath-2729230/

Two bed apartment overlooking River Shannon and two minutes walk from the SSPX church in Athlone

Hope this helps.
 
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Re: Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2020, 05:54:50 PM »
You could also P.M. Big Bad Trad; he moved his family to Europe, looking to escape from the U.S.A. He loved Ireland; thought the Irish were just wonderful; but he eventually moved back, because he considered the Trad movement outside the U.S. To be doomed to extinction. If you scan through his posting history which isn't that great, you can find a couple of his posts on the subject. 
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Re: Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2020, 08:59:10 PM »
You know I'm Irish right :)

Our country is every bit as liberal if not worse than USA and we have an Irish trait where we do not stick our neck above the parapet, its all about appearing respectable and staying on the same side as the majority.  At least in America you have a massive shift towards conservatism and the tide is beginning to turn although you are surrounded by evil statesmen (same here).

We don't own guns and you are only allowed a gun for strict purposes such as a farmer or you shoot for hunting purposes.  It is a very small country and difficult to go under the radar even in the rural areas.  Everybody knows whose who around here.

The health system is chronic if you are depending on the public health system (free).  It is fine for minor issues but if you have a serious illness especially at the discovery stage, it is brutal.  You could be waiting for months just for a consultation never mind an actual scan/procedure.  We have a number of private hospitals which are very good and on average a single man would pay €1800 per year for good cover in these private hospitals.  I myself will not let our family private health insurance lapse no matter what.
Housing is very expensive, cost of living is expensive but if you live outside of the big cities/big towns, it can be very affordable even for a large family.  There is a shortage of housing in most urban areas so you would need to have a good paying job to afford decent accommodation in Dublin.
The traditional Catholic community is small but exploding now with our priests being the only ones who are giving the Sacraments.  Trads would have some familiarity with each other but don't live nearby each other, you won't see too many bbqs or meet up in the parks/social events....its too cold most of the time. We are friendly, very friendly but don't expect invites to homes for Sunday roasts.  Our families are usually living close by and we are tied very much to them e.g visits to cousins, aunts and uncles and parents. 

Culturally we are still very Catholic, lots of Marian shrines on most roads outside of Dublin.  A Catholic church on every corner practically.  Quite a few towns you would still hear the Angelus bells.  Wouldn't be out of place to visit a friend and see a Sacred Heart up on some wall although more as an appeasement to the older Irish Mammies.

https://www.daft.ie/westmeath/apartments-for-sale/athlone/apartment-1-custume-pier-apartments-athlone-westmeath-2729230/

Two bed apartment overlooking River Shannon and two minutes walk from the SSPX church in Athlone

Hope this helps.

Word for word, couldn't have said it better. The only thing I will say is that cost of living/housing is expensive in Dublin/big city and moderate/cheap elsewhere. You can still find a 4 bed/3 bath in the country for 900 a month. Food is much cheaper than the US. Healthcare is so insanely affordable. For the best health insurance in the country you are paying per year what you pay here per month.

Diaduit is completely correct about all the political/social/stuff. They had an openly gay man running the country until very recently, they voted for abortion on their own steam (unlike us, who had it forced on us by the SC) and you would be able to hide a lot more easily in rural USA than in rural Ireland.

The Irish people are the most wonderful people in the world and you couldn't find anyone more lovely to die with, so if you just want to wait out the end with a bunch of really grand folks, the move over there. If you are hoping for a conservative place to hide for 20+ years, than stay here.

On the other hand, Irish citizenship will get you entry into the EU, and there are many many places there worth moving to hide/farm/etc.
 
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Re: Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2020, 10:08:27 PM »
What a minute.  I thought you lived in St. Mary's, KS for some reason.   :huh:   

How many people on Suscipe Domine live in Ireland?  That could be trouble, the Irish temperament and all (I know because I'm half Irish).
 
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2020, 08:36:16 AM »
What a minute.  I thought you lived in St. Mary's, KS for some reason.   :huh:   

How many people on Suscipe Domine live in Ireland?  That could be trouble, the Irish temperament and all (I know because I'm half Irish).

Haven't you seen the signs of my temperament  ;D
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Re: Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2020, 10:37:02 AM »
I'd hate to offend diaduit.

But what about the weather?
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Re: Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2020, 12:38:11 PM »
I'd hate to offend diaduit.

But what about the weather?

She did say it was usually cold...lol. Warm hearts, cold weather, that's Ireland.
 
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2020, 02:31:34 PM »
I'd hate to offend diaduit.

But what about the weather?

She did say it was usually cold...lol. Warm hearts, cold weather, that's Ireland.

Do you live in Ireland?
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2020, 02:50:00 PM »
No offence taken.....its lashing rain and cold cold cold now.


 
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Re: Is Irish citizenship worth anything?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2020, 08:46:29 AM »
its lashing rain and cold cold cold now.

sounds wonderful
 

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2020, 12:18:24 PM »
No offence taken.....its lashing rain and cold cold cold now.

Sounds great for a walk down the ol' bog road.
 

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2020, 03:33:10 PM »
Amazing...  at least two posters here besides me love "lashing rain and cold, cold, cold..".

I thought the weather had to be pointed out to anyone thinking of moving to Ireland, particularly to the west coast.  I've known people move to west Wales or Scotland and the weather has driven them away again.   Funnily enough, it's not the first winter that gets them, but the second.

Some people, like me and others here, would love it.  Others, not so much.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2020, 07:28:16 PM »
You know I'm Irish right :)

Our country is every bit as liberal if not worse than USA and we have an Irish trait where we do not stick our neck above the parapet, its all about appearing respectable and staying on the same side as the majority.  At least in America you have a massive shift towards conservatism and the tide is beginning to turn although you are surrounded by evil statesmen (same here).

We don't own guns and you are only allowed a gun for strict purposes such as a farmer or you shoot for hunting purposes.  It is a very small country and difficult to go under the radar even in the rural areas.  Everybody knows whose who around here.

The health system is chronic if you are depending on the public health system (free).  It is fine for minor issues but if you have a serious illness especially at the discovery stage, it is brutal.  You could be waiting for months just for a consultation never mind an actual scan/procedure.  We have a number of private hospitals which are very good and on average a single man would pay €1800 per year for good cover in these private hospitals.  I myself will not let our family private health insurance lapse no matter what.
Housing is very expensive, cost of living is expensive but if you live outside of the big cities/big towns, it can be very affordable even for a large family.  There is a shortage of housing in most urban areas so you would need to have a good paying job to afford decent accommodation in Dublin.
The traditional Catholic community is small but exploding now with our priests being the only ones who are giving the Sacraments.  Trads would have some familiarity with each other but don't live nearby each other, you won't see too many bbqs or meet up in the parks/social events....its too cold most of the time. We are friendly, very friendly but don't expect invites to homes for Sunday roasts.  Our families are usually living close by and we are tied very much to them e.g visits to cousins, aunts and uncles and parents. 

Culturally we are still very Catholic, lots of Marian shrines on most roads outside of Dublin.  A Catholic church on every corner practically.  Quite a few towns you would still hear the Angelus bells.  Wouldn't be out of place to visit a friend and see a Sacred Heart up on some wall although more as an appeasement to the older Irish Mammies.

https://www.daft.ie/westmeath/apartments-for-sale/athlone/apartment-1-custume-pier-apartments-athlone-westmeath-2729230/

Two bed apartment overlooking River Shannon and two minutes walk from the SSPX church in Athlone

Hope this helps.

Word for word, couldn't have said it better. The only thing I will say is that cost of living/housing is expensive in Dublin/big city and moderate/cheap elsewhere. You can still find a 4 bed/3 bath in the country for 900 a month. Food is much cheaper than the US. Healthcare is so insanely affordable. For the best health insurance in the country you are paying per year what you pay here per month.

Diaduit is completely correct about all the political/social/stuff. They had an openly gay man running the country until very recently, they voted for abortion on their own steam (unlike us, who had it forced on us by the SC) and you would be able to hide a lot more easily in rural USA than in rural Ireland.

The Irish people are the most wonderful people in the world and you couldn't find anyone more lovely to die with, so if you just want to wait out the end with a bunch of really grand folks, the move over there. If you are hoping for a conservative place to hide for 20+ years, than stay here.

On the other hand, Irish citizenship will get you entry into the EU, and there are many many places there worth moving to hide/farm/etc.

The abortion vote result was dubious, but the insiders who ran the pro-life campaign did not challenge it, unless my memory is very wrong.

Rural Ireland has a good places to hide and a few unlicenced firearms. Rural people are not always too literal-minded about stupid laws. A good many parts of the US have relatively colossal property taxes. You never really own your home or land if you have to pay a vast tax bill. The US has issues with some aggressive application of Eminent Domain to the detriment of the property owner.
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