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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2020, 02:48:07 PM »
I don't buy the block chain "sting".
Not by itself; it's only one factor in a larger operation.

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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2020, 03:28:34 PM »
Block chain provides only two advantages: decentralized authentication and decentralized record keeping.

The expense is increased transaction latency and additional programming overhead.  But note, this all resides on a computer, not on a paper ballot.

Why would you need decentralized authentication and record keeping if you are running a sting?  Also, exactly HOW is the ballot being entered on to the block chain?  The goal of using block chain in voting is to ELIMINATE the paper ballot.  Each kiosk would have a private key.  When the kiosk puts a vote on the block chain, it becomes tamper-proof.

If you want to print a hash on the ballot, you need to have some ID number to hash, and a printed hash.  DHS would have the private key.  But then why would you need to incorporate a block chain?  This make no sense.

And note, Schaffer says nothing about "block chain".
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2020, 06:05:32 PM »
Wait Just a Minute! Some Very Good News May Be Coming
By Jay Valentine
Like many, I spent the last few nights waking up at 2:03 A.M., no reason, then looking at my phone for news, any news, that might be positive for President Trump.  I survived on Rush, Bongino, Mark Levin.  When the news continued to be ugly, I even checked in on ridiculous bloggers promising that ballots were watermarked and D.J. (our household name for a president we love) was actually launching a sting on the Deep State.

Enough already.  Stop the madness. 

Hey, I have a degree in statistics, and I have some level of critical thought.  If there is such pessimism in my tribe, I am not going along.

So today, I started to dig into the numbers, and as I did, I fought my confirmation bias at every step.  I realized that I, like millions of others, had been numbed into despondency by the overwhelming press, media, social media push to certify President-Elect Biden.  (I put that in there so you can see how repellent it is.)

Hey guys, this thing is not only not over; it is scary for Biden.  I mean really scary, and most of all, the media know it.  Thus, the rush to get everyone in line with the narrative that a 78-year-old, early-dementia former V.P., who could not draw a crowd larger than a dozen, just beat D.J. in a fair election.

Process that for a moment.

Start with Pennsylvania.  Biden, as of this writing, is at 290 electoral votes.  Pennsylvania is 20.

I read the Justice Alito opinion, and it is pretty clear that he wants the after election night at 8:00 P.M. votes separated for a reason.  Biden is going to lose at the Supreme Court, and they know it.  Four justices already said the Pennsylvania Supreme Court cannot adjust voting rules.   A new arrival, Justice Barrett, says she is there to apply the rules in the Constitution.  OK, wanna bet she does?

Remove the after 8:00 P.M. ballots, and Biden loses Pennsylvania.  Biden 270.

Let's visit Nevada.  I have lots of friends in California who have condos in Nevada to evade state taxes.  There are not a couple of people doing this; there are tens of thousands.  Everyone knows it, and California seeks them out.

Our old pal Harry Reid knows it as well, and he apparently has them voting in droves in this election.  Probably not a big D.J. constituency.  Within 72 hours of the election, the Trump team found, validated over 3,500 of them.  I do not suspect that Trump's people stopped counting.

Every one of these is a ballot reduction for Biden

Nevada, as of now, is well within reach for DJ and the Trump team — particularly when the California crowd is reduced.  And a few of them may testify since a false vote is a very bad thing, with jail time if convicted.  Maybe a bigger story here.

Remember where we are, people.  Biden is at 270 after a highly probable Supreme Court decision (read Alito and concurring opinions).

Lose Nevada, lose the election.

But wait: it gets better.

Let's visit Wisconsin.  Right now, it is 20,000 votes in Uncle Joe's direction.  Lots of stories out there, well below the Google fold, that there are way more Wisconsin votes than there are registered voters.  OK, maybe the dead can vote up there — probably a Midwest thing.

Well, last night, we found that Wisconsin election clerks were told, and followed the direction, to modify mail-in ballots and fill in the blanks where witnesses left out critical info.

I am sure it was just a good customer service thing and they meant no harm.  The problem is every such ballot is now toast.

There were "thousands" of such prima facie wrongful votes.  Oops.  Biden up 20,000 — now that number is in question.  No more truckloads of votes coming in, so every ballot D.J.'s team eliminates gets President-Elect Biden one step closer to former V.P. Biden who lives in a basement.  Not good here.

North Carolina.  That one pretty much looks like as though it is over and D.J. won it.  Fox News is rumored to call it for Trump around April 2021.

Remember where we are here.  Biden is probably going to lose Pennsylvania, so if he loses even one state, even one Electoral College vote, ouch!

Either D.J. wins outright, or it goes to the House, which means that D.J. has four more years.

We're not done yet.

Michigan.  Oh, yes, the land of the "glitches" in the voting machines.  Six thousand votes for Trump given to Biden in one of 47 counties where that software is used.  About 150,000 votes in Biden's favor right now. 

Google the 130,000 Biden votes that showed up in the middle of the night, and you can see how the wonderful people at Google are fact-checking this "debunked" story.  In fact, for fun, Google "Michigan voter fraud," and you get literally three pages of "this was fact checked and proven to be false."  Why would Google be so assiduous?

They too see that if Amy votes with the four, Biden is one vote away from the basement.

Lawsuits in Michigan and the other states are being launched, and discovery will take place.  Google will not be there. 

Voter fraud is kind of like larceny.  A little is OK.  It is even kind of entertaining.

Dead people have been voting for a hundred years in Democratic cities.  It is such a constant that one would think the Republican Party would consider a Dead Voter Outreach program to get their share.

But voter fraud on this scale is just not sustainable.  It does not pass the common sense test.

We have bloggers with lots of time on their hands going through voter rolls and showing that person after person who voted in a swing state also fought in the Civil War or maybe the War of 1812.  It was funny at first, but the overwhelming number now goes beyond humor and rubs our faces in it.

I think D.J. has to swing one state.  Actually, one electoral vote.  Not only is this thing not over, but the Biden team must be sweating bullets.

Voter fraud at scale seemed like a really cool idea until D.J. went to the mattresses.  Now that he is fighting it out one voter at a time, with the Supreme Court likely to create the starting point at Biden 270, Biden has everything to lose.

Perk up!

It looks like American Thinker first published the article above by Jay Valentine.  A number of other sites are duplicating it.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/wait_just_a_minute_some_very_good_news_may_be_coming.html
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2020, 12:45:29 AM »
Trump fires Sec of Defense: https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/09/president-trump-fires-defense-secretary-mark-esper-after-repeated-failures-to-accomplish-trumps-priorities/

Part of me wonders if Trump does indeed have an ace up the sleeve after all, why on earth bother firing the guy if you're going to be out of office in a few months.  Esper's reluctance to invoke the Insurrection is also intriguing: does Trump expect civil unrest?  And the replacement Miller, head of Counterterrorism, now that Antifa is a recognized terrorist organization and would take a leading role in agitation in a 2nd Trump term, is provoking.  And today AG Barr released a memo authorizing US attorneys to start investigating election fraud allegations.
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2020, 01:24:18 AM »
Trump fires Sec of Defense: https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/09/president-trump-fires-defense-secretary-mark-esper-after-repeated-failures-to-accomplish-trumps-priorities/

Part of me wonders if Trump does indeed have an ace up the sleeve after all, why on earth bother firing the guy if you're going to be out of office in a few months.  Esper's reluctance to invoke the Insurrection is also intriguing: does Trump expect civil unrest?

Obviously yes.  (At least, it's been quite obvious to me.)
 
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2020, 01:22:06 PM »
Trump fires Sec of Defense: https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/09/president-trump-fires-defense-secretary-mark-esper-after-repeated-failures-to-accomplish-trumps-priorities/

Part of me wonders if Trump does indeed have an ace up the sleeve after all, why on earth bother firing the guy if you're going to be out of office in a few months.  Esper's reluctance to invoke the Insurrection is also intriguing: does Trump expect civil unrest?

Obviously yes.  (At least, it's been quite obvious to me.)

I'm always hesitant to believe conspiracy theories, esp. in times of distress.  They can serve as an emotional crutch to desperate individuals with nothing else to cling to for hope.
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2020, 01:27:57 PM »
I'm always hesitant to believe conspiracy theories, esp. in times of distress.  They can serve as an emotional crutch to desperate individuals with nothing else to cling to for hope.

I was hesitant too until he fired Esper.
 
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2020, 01:48:05 PM »
Trump fires Sec of Defense: https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/09/president-trump-fires-defense-secretary-mark-esper-after-repeated-failures-to-accomplish-trumps-priorities/

Part of me wonders if Trump does indeed have an ace up the sleeve after all, why on earth bother firing the guy if you're going to be out of office in a few months.  Esper's reluctance to invoke the Insurrection is also intriguing: does Trump expect civil unrest?

Obviously yes.  (At least, it's been quite obvious to me.)

I'm always hesitant to believe conspiracy theories, esp. in times of distress.  They can serve as an emotional crutch to desperate individuals with nothing else to cling to for hope.

I myself was not attributing the firing of Esper to a conspiracy theory.
 
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2020, 03:34:53 PM »
Why would you need decentralized authentication and record keeping if you are running a sting?
Because it's secure, not able to be "glitched" by a single person / central agency, tamper-proof, and offers easy verifiability.

HOW is the ballot being entered on to the block chain?
Name + address + voter ID + timestamp + candidates / issues voter chooses could be hashed/signed, and this hash is put in a blockchain.

If you want to print a hash on the ballot
But the hash should depend upon something variable like ballot submission time (timestamp) and the selected candidates/issues of the voter. (Otherwise someone fraudulently voting in this voter's stead could submit a fraudulent ballot, and the real voter would not be able to prove the submitted ballot does not contain the candidates he voted for.)
No one looking at that hash in the blockchain will be able to figure out what exactly it's the hash of, but a particular voter will be able to verify whether his hash is in the blockchain or not.
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2020, 06:45:46 PM »
I'm always hesitant to believe conspiracy theories, esp. in times of distress.  They can serve as an emotional crutch to desperate individuals with nothing else to cling to for hope.

Define "conspiracy theory." To some, especially those unaware that the term originated with the CIA (fact: look it up) -- anything that unsettles them is labeled as a "conspiracy theory." I've seen people do that with documented facts which make them uncomfortable.
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2020, 11:01:03 AM »
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Name + address + voter ID + timestamp + candidates / issues voter chooses could be hashed/signed, and this hash is put in a blockchain.

I was asking HOW it is uploaded, not WHAT is uploaded.
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2020, 11:27:10 AM »
I'm always hesitant to believe conspiracy theories, esp. in times of distress.  They can serve as an emotional crutch to desperate individuals with nothing else to cling to for hope.

Define "conspiracy theory." To some, especially those unaware that the term originated with the CIA (fact: look it up) -- anything that unsettles them is labeled as a "conspiracy theory." I've seen people do that with documented facts which make them uncomfortable.

Some old dude in a Hawaiian shirt telling us he's been given permission - even though he does not work for any agency and doesn't seem to have contributed anything to this effort - to reveal that this is all an elaborate sting operation doesn't quite pass the smell test
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2020, 12:30:03 PM »
I'm always hesitant to believe conspiracy theories, esp. in times of distress.  They can serve as an emotional crutch to desperate individuals with nothing else to cling to for hope.

Define "conspiracy theory." To some, especially those unaware that the term originated with the CIA (fact: look it up) -- anything that unsettles them is labeled as a "conspiracy theory." I've seen people do that with documented facts which make them uncomfortable.

True (with regard to the discomfort aspect). I think most people who do not want to acknowledge that people in power and powerful agencies are often manipulating events and outcomes out of public sight will label such possibilities as conspiracy theories.  Some of those people are merely innocent idealists who want to believe in integrity and transparency of governmental operations.

Other doubters have a political axe to grind themselves -- an axe which is in the supply room of the backstage manipulators shielding the artful deceptions from public view.  (Translation: if an entirely credible conspiracy doesn't fit their political view, they dismiss and ridicule it.)

There's a third group, of which I am a member, and I would hope that at least half of the American population is a member at the moment, which is healthy skepticism when math does not add up, and 2+2 "equals" 5 or even 500 if you live in certain regions where corruption is habitual. 

If it walks like a duck (etc.) is not a conspiracy theory but a logical indicator of where to look further.
 
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2020, 12:49:38 PM »
I want to distinguish:

"Sting" source appears to be Tony Schaffer, who is reliable.  His claim is that the ballots were marked at the printer and fraudulent ballots are now easily exposed.  He has a history of being reliable, but could be running a psy-op to force the Left to panic, or he could just be trolling.  The Sting-op is credible, but not proven.

Steve P., Hawaiian shirt dude, appears to be a grifter who spiced up Schaffer's story.  He's already been discredited because he said that arrests would happen "this weekend".  It's Wednesday, no arrests.
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Re: Trump's elections fraud sting operation
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2020, 11:23:25 AM »
Snipped before Twitter could ban.  Top is a blank ballot that should not exist.  Bottom is a printed ballot.  Note bar code.  Note also that if the top ballot is marked, it does you no good.  They fill it out and it has the hidden stamp.  Best bet is to analyze the ink on the bar code.  Maybe that is what they spiked.  So the Dems generate a legit bar code and print it on the blank balllot.  However the ink lacks the special sauce and doesn't glow under UV light.  Busted.  It's plausible.

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