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Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« on: November 02, 2020, 02:14:08 PM »
I never pray the blessing before meals, because I don't want the food to end up blessed. (Because if the food ends up blessed, there's no way to avoid sacrilege.) But I do realize that unblessed food could potentially be cursed or infested by demons.

I was wondering if there are any formal prayers by which we ask God to break any curses and drive out any demons, without asking Him to place a blessing upon the food?
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2020, 06:46:05 PM »
'Bless us O God for these thy gifts of thy bounty we are about to receive, through Christ our Lord, Amen', and variants is not blessing food so much as asking God to bless us.
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2020, 07:59:58 PM »
"Bless us Our Lord and these Thy gifts which we are about to receive from Thy bounty through Christ Our Lord. Amen"

It's asking God to bless both us and the food.
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2020, 11:16:26 PM »
Daniel, where on earth did you hear or get the idea that blessing food before a meal would probably result in sacrilege???

Maybe that was rude; I don't know your experience living with other Catholics or how you could not have heard or understood the common Catholic prayer.  Here it is again with the Latin:

Prayer Before Meals / Benedic, Domine

Bless us, O Lord, and these Thy gifts which we are about to receive from Thy bounty, through Christ, Our Lord, amen.

Latin Version: Benedic, Domine
Benedic, Domine, nos et haec tua dona quae de tua largitate sumus sumpturi. Per Christum Dominum nostrum. Amen.

Blessing food isn't like a priest consecrating a host, where extremely special care is needed to avoid sacrilege because Christ Himself becomes present.

Writing this post reminded me that I had a small jar of blessed salt in my purse that my priest had blessed a few weeks ago, but I had forgotten.  I can sprinkle it on food or sprinkle it around like I would holy water.   (A relative sprinkled some around the ungodly buildings in Washington D.C.!)
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2020, 08:26:09 AM »
It seems like it would inevitably result in sacrilege because of the nature of food, and because of the way that blessed items should not be thrown away in the garbage but instead must be burned by fire, dissolved in holy water, and/or buried in the ground.

1.) When we eat food, we usually inadvertently drop some crumbs onto the floor. Or we might spill something, completely on accident. This happens even when we're careful, but, usually, we're not very careful, because it's only a meal, nothing to get too worked up about. And, after all, we have brooms and vacuums for when we make a mess. Yet if we sweep or vacuum food that has been blessed (or even so much as if we handle the blessed food in a careless manner), we commit a sacrilege.

2.) Even if we make no crumbs, there are probably crumbs and/or food residue on the plate when we're done eating. And we don't go licking and/or incinerating the plate to be sure that nothing's left on it. Rather, we just put the plate by the sink to be washed (or throw it away if it's a disposable plate). But if we do this with remnants of blessed food still on the plate, we commit a sacrilege.

3.) Also, many times it's not just crumbs and residue, but it's entire pieces of uneaten food being thrown away. Or, like, we're at a restaurant and we're done eating and there's still like half the meal uneaten. Either the waiter takes it back to to the kitchen throws it away (in which case, if the food has been blessed, then we commit a sacrilege), or else we ask for a box and we take it home. So suppose we take it home, and we put it into the refrigerator, but, for whatever reason we never end up eating it, and it goes bad, and we have to throw it away: if the food has been blessed, we commit a sacrilege. (Plus, it might also be sinful to attempt to non-conditionally re-bless food that has already been blessed. Like suppose we're eating leftovers, and, without thinking, we bless the food even though we had already blessed it the previous night. We're probably then committing a sacrilege or at least some sort of a sin.)

Because of all these things, it makes no sense to ask God to bless food. I don't know why there's a Church-approved prayer for it, and I don't know why Catholics in general do it, but it leads to sacrilege. (I used to do it too, before giving it much reflection.)

Yet it makes perfect sense to ask God to bless us, and to ask Him to exorcise the food. I suppose it even makes sense to ask God to bless only the food that will be eaten. I'm just not comfortable asking for a blessing upon the food which is more than likely going to end up on the floor or in the trash can.


On second thought, I'm wondering whether the answer could be in this word sumpturi? I don't know enough Latin to know for sure, but it looks like the English translation of the prayer might be a little off. If the prayer is only asking God to bless the food that will end up eaten, I suppose it's fine. (But that's not the way I've been reading the English.)
 

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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2020, 01:50:07 PM »
Blessing food that we are about to eat is not meant to turn that food into a sacramental, like a Crucifix, blessed candles, scapulars or holy cards.  We ask a priest to bless sacramentals.  The head of the family asks God to bless the family members and the food with the prayer before meals.

I remember reading about a saint that his enemies could not poison him because he always said his prayers before meals.  That is along the line of why we ask God to bless our food before we eat it.  So we get the nutrition from it and it doesn't make us sick. 
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2020, 07:33:54 PM »
I forgot to say that Blessed Salt, blessed by a priest, is a Catholic Sacramental too. Salt unlike Holy Water doesn't evaporate so could end up anywhere when sprinkled. But we can trust God to do good with it if we intend good when we sprinkle it.
https://www.fisheaters.com/salt.html

As Mike says food blessed before a meal is NOT a Sacramental, so your worries don't apply.

Daniel, deep and extended thought can be mistaken if it leads you away from trusting the teaching of traditional Catholic priests and long practiced customs and prayers. That is, away from the Church!

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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2020, 10:30:15 AM »
Blessing food that we are about to eat is not meant to turn that food into a sacramental, like a Crucifix, blessed candles, scapulars or holy cards.  We ask a priest to bless sacramentals.  The head of the family asks God to bless the family members and the food with the prayer before meals.
As Mike says food blessed before a meal is NOT a Sacramental, so your worries don't apply.

Sacramental or not, the blessing is real enough and the food is therefore a blessed item. (Assuming that God actually goes through with our request and blesses the food. I suppose maybe He could choose not to.)
 

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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2020, 01:13:31 PM »
So, eat up all your food then.  Don't leave any on the plate.  Use a piece of bread to sop up the gravy if you have to.  Waste not, want not.   :)
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2020, 11:59:04 PM »
Daniel,  do the Catholic thing and pray for God to bless your meal rather than skipping that altogether.   If you have to give into your scruple and explicitly ask for Him to bless only what He knows you will consume (now, or later) do that (or understand the prayer that way), but most Catholics just trust Him to do what is best.  You are so tangled up in your intellect.
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2020, 12:52:54 PM »
Daniel, are you really scrupulous or are you playing a joke on these people?
 

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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2020, 12:22:11 PM »
Only for pea soup.
 
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2020, 02:16:59 PM »
I never pray the blessing before meals, because I don't want the food to end up blessed. (Because if the food ends up blessed, there's no way to avoid sacrilege.) But I do realize that unblessed food could potentially be cursed or infested by demons.

I was wondering if there are any formal prayers by which we ask God to break any curses and drive out any demons, without asking Him to place a blessing upon the food?

This post surely ranks in the top 3 of the most bizarre posts ever to have been made in a trad forum.

And that's saying a lot.
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2020, 02:42:36 PM »
Here Daniel, I made a simple modification to a traditional prayer. Hope this works for you:

Bless us O Lord,
But not this food
Which of Thy bounty
We are about to receive.
Actually wait,
Dont bless us either,
Because stray hairs and flakes of skin
May fall off.
Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
 
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Re: Is there any sort of exorcism prayer before meals?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2020, 12:54:01 AM »
OP, I thought you were a horndog from your Hieroglyph post but it is apparent to me now that you are suffering from scrupulosity. You need to consult with a traditional priest ASAP.

But to the heart of the matter: you are wrong. It is not wrong to ask God to bless your food. Even MHFM and RI don't have a problem with this. By your logic, it wouldn't be permissible to consummate a marriage because your wife is blessed, after all. Twisted logic, you have. And since when would food need to be exercised? I have never heard of a demon entering via food though I could see it happening if you were sinning with food or drink (gluttony and drunkenness...or for example: eating hash brownies or THC cookies).

Again, you have scruples and it will destroy your faith. It happened to me once and I just got burned out, so I lapsed. Don't let it happen to you because if I died during my lapse (which was a higher-than-average possibility for me), then I would have been damned due to my state of mortal sin. You heard me: your current spiritual attitude could cost you your soul. The Devil is playing you like a fiddle right now, hoping waiting for you to get burned out so that you will abandon the One True Faith.

SEEK HELP (from a traditional priest).
 
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