It begins in Ukraine

[Greg]

They are proven liars.  Why would they stick to the truth about Vladimir Putin?

He's so evil that they don't need to lie to make him look more evil???

Then why stand against them?  Go with the NWO and enjoy his billions and his young whores on his Black Sea yacht.

[LouisIX]

Oh, dear Lord.

Unable to counter my arguments, you resort to taking the Lord's name in vain.

I didn't know that speaking to the Lord was taking His Name in vain.

[james03]

Greg, looks like Vox's call that Russia would launch before the election is turning out to be correct.  Looks like it will be Syria.  If you look out your window you can see the Russia Northern fleet sailing-by heading for Syria.

The assault on the city will also serve to highlight US inaction in the run-up to election day and may aid Donald Trump.

Link to story
On a brighter note:

Mr Trump has consistently praised Mr Putin as a strong leader and has promised a closer relationship with Russia if he wins the Nov 8 US election. He has suggested that, if elected, he would meet the Russian president before the inauguration in January.

Mr Putin has returned the compliment, calling the Republican nominee "outstanding and talented" – one of his closest political allies, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, urged Americans to vote for Mr Trump, calling him a "gift to humanity".

If Trump wins, looks like he'll deescalate and avoid war.  If not, we have a bunch of amateurs who happen to be diabolical narcissists controlled by Soros in charge of the military.  As Michael Savage has said, these feminist harpies probably have not even fired a bb gun in their lives.

[NOLIMETANGERECHRISTISVM]

Awkwardcustomer is correct in that the roots of America's demise lie not with the KGB but with the principles that undergird its Constitution and founding.

The KGB was not the only organization undermining the Church. The US launched a pro-Americanist propaganda campaign targeting the Catholic Church which lasted for years. The OSS, forerunner of the CIA, was paying Catholic priests to disseminate stories in Catholic media with a particular spin. They also were working with Catholic clergy in Vatican City who were reporting on the Curia and its political leanings. The plans originated in the mind of a modernist Catholic revert who worked for the Agency, named Philip Rodgers.

[mikemac]

In the summer 2006 Issue 83 of the Fatima Crusader there was a Special Report titled "Is World War III Next?" which included a July, 2006 article by Father Paul L. Kramer.  It ends like this,

Is World War III Next?
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr83/lf172Suppl.asp

Communism Is Still Ruling
in Russia and China

It was, however, not Communism that collapsed in the Soviet Union, but it was Socialism that underwent a strategically planned demolition in a restructured (perestroika = restructuring) Soviet Union. Now, since the carefully planned metamorphosis of the Soviet Union has brought about the mutation of Communism from the Dictatorship of the Proletariat into what Gorbachev called the (Leninist) State of the Whole People, the real Communism described by Rakovsky2 in his January 25-26, 1938 interview is exactly what has emerged in contemporary Russia today.

In order to understand how it is that Russia is not only still Communist, but is more firmly and staunchly Communist than ever, it is necessary to consider exactly and essentially what Communism is: What is the essence of Communism? Rakovsky explains, "Marxism, before being a philosophical, economic and political system, is a conspiracy for the Revolution." In accord with this fundamental principle, it does not matter what degree of political and economic freedom is permitted in a liberalized Marxist State, because "words and facts in Marxism are subject to the strict rules of the higher science: the rules of conspiracy and revolution." "The State as such is only power. AND MONEY IS EXCLUSIVELY POWER." Thus it logically follows, as Rakovsky explains, that "Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..." When one thus understands the true nature of Communism, it becomes easy to understand that in spite of all the cosmetic changes in the Soviet Union with all the bourgeois corruption and liberalism, Russia remains Communist.

The same is happening to a lesser degree in economically "liberalized" China which remains dominated by and firmly in the grip of iron Communist Party rule.

The Goal:
Exterminating Christians

Soviet Russia will inflict such suffering on all humanity such as the world has never seen. For the Communist world revolution to succeed, the extermination of all Christians is a necessary pre-condition. The Catholic Church is still very much persecuted in Russia and China. "Communism," Rakovsky explains, "cannot be the victor if it will not have suppressed the still-living Christianity..."

Only Obedience to Our Lady of Fatima
Can Save Us Now

The ultimate Soviet objective remains unchanged since Lenin declared: "It matters not that three fourths of the world be destroyed provided that the remaining fourth is Communist." Khrushchev foretold, "We will bury you...Your grandchildren will be Communist." Our Lady of Fatima warns us that God will allow them to accomplish that objective if Her requests are not fulfilled in time. The Great Tribulation foretold by Our Lord in the Gospel is at hand.

The spring 2007 Issue 85 of the Fatima Crusader included an article by James W. Bannister titled "Putin Announces New Cold War!" which talks about how many of us have been concerned with the US and NATO installments around Russia.

Putin Announces New Cold War!
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr85/cr85pg27.asp

Putin Means What He Says

Putin's angry speech is a warning that Russia and China — both of which are formidable military powers — will no longer let the U.S. plan for what Putin called "a world in which there is one master, one sovereign" remain unchallenged. Thus the new cold war begins!

Some think this may be a good thing. Many Western Europeans would like nothing so much as a return to the old world order. No one wants to be dominated by Russia, but equally no one wants to be dominated by the US. Not just Europeans, but many Asians, too, believe a strong Russia is necessary to restrain some of America's unwise and aggressive policies.

Since Father Paul L. Kramer wrote his July, 2006 article above some of his more recent articles seem to say that he has changed his mind about Russia still being communist.  I don't doubt that either, to a point.

Nevertheless without a proper consecration of Russia soon I believe that we will see the annihilation of nations that Our Lady of Fatima spoke about.  Fairly bleak circumstances to expect a proper consecration of Russia with the current Bishop of Rome.

I think if Hillary Clinton is elected we will see the annihilation of nations.  Donald Trump would buy us some more time.

I think it would be pretty hard to say that Russia has not spread it's errors after reading this thread.   

[NOLIMETANGERECHRISTISVM]

It's almost a waste of time to worry about the source of subversion. Was it the communists? Was it the Jews? Was it the freemasons? It doesn't really matter in the end, Americans will have to pay for their sins.

In a way it's like the story in the garden. We can try to shift blame onto Eve or on the serpent, but God will ultimately punish us for our choices and our choices alone. Americans could have rejected these errors but they chose rather to embrace them. They chose to reject Catholicism. The communists are not to blame for that. Had America been a healthy, moral society it would have rejected these errors outright.

If one wants to point the finger at Communism or Jews or freemasons they should first recognize the common threads in all of them, which is the "non serviam" of Satan.

[awkwardcustomer]

Communism Is Still Ruling
in Russia and China

It was, however, not Communism that collapsed in the Soviet Union, but it was Socialism that underwent a strategically planned demolition in a restructured (perestroika = restructuring) Soviet Union. Now, since the carefully planned metamorphosis of the Soviet Union has brought about the mutation of Communism from the Dictatorship of the Proletariat into what Gorbachev called the (Leninist) State of the Whole People, the real Communism described by Rakovsky2 in his January 25-26, 1938 interview is exactly what has emerged in contemporary Russia today.

In order to understand how it is that Russia is not only still Communist, but is more firmly and staunchly Communist than ever, it is necessary to consider exactly and essentially what Communism is: What is the essence of Communism? Rakovsky explains, "Marxism, before being a philosophical, economic and political system, is a conspiracy for the Revolution." In accord with this fundamental principle, it does not matter what degree of political and economic freedom is permitted in a liberalized Marxist State, because "words and facts in Marxism are subject to the strict rules of the higher science: the rules of conspiracy and revolution." "The State as such is only power. AND MONEY IS EXCLUSIVELY POWER." Thus it logically follows, as Rakovsky explains, that "Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..." When one thus understands the true nature of Communism, it becomes easy to understand that in spite of all the cosmetic changes in the Soviet Union with all the bourgeois corruption and liberalism, Russia remains Communist.

What does this quote from the Fatima Crusader mean?

How, exactly, does the 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' differ from the 'State of the whole People'?  What are the concrete differences?

Somehow it 'logically follows' from what has gone before that 'Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism .....  What is this?

And New York is a concept representing 'The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one.....???

This quote makes no sense at all.

How about some concrete facts to back up the assertion that Russia is still Communist?

[mikemac]

Communism Is Still Ruling
in Russia and China

It was, however, not Communism that collapsed in the Soviet Union, but it was Socialism that underwent a strategically planned demolition in a restructured (perestroika = restructuring) Soviet Union. Now, since the carefully planned metamorphosis of the Soviet Union has brought about the mutation of Communism from the Dictatorship of the Proletariat into what Gorbachev called the (Leninist) State of the Whole People, the real Communism described by Rakovsky2 in his January 25-26, 1938 interview is exactly what has emerged in contemporary Russia today.

In order to understand how it is that Russia is not only still Communist, but is more firmly and staunchly Communist than ever, it is necessary to consider exactly and essentially what Communism is: What is the essence of Communism? Rakovsky explains, "Marxism, before being a philosophical, economic and political system, is a conspiracy for the Revolution." In accord with this fundamental principle, it does not matter what degree of political and economic freedom is permitted in a liberalized Marxist State, because "words and facts in Marxism are subject to the strict rules of the higher science: the rules of conspiracy and revolution." "The State as such is only power. AND MONEY IS EXCLUSIVELY POWER." Thus it logically follows, as Rakovsky explains, that "Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..." When one thus understands the true nature of Communism, it becomes easy to understand that in spite of all the cosmetic changes in the Soviet Union with all the bourgeois corruption and liberalism, Russia remains Communist.

What does this quote from the Fatima Crusader mean?

How, exactly, does the 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' differ from the 'State of the whole People'?  What are the concrete differences?

Somehow it 'logically follows' from what has gone before that 'Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism .....  What is this?

And New York is a concept representing 'The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one.....???

This quote makes no sense at all.

How about some concrete facts to back up the assertion that Russia is still Communist?

Did you miss this awkwardcustomer?

Since Father Paul L. Kramer wrote his July, 2006 article above some of his more recent articles seem to say that he has changed his mind about Russia still being communist.  I don't doubt that either, to a point.

First off Father Paul Kramer is saying that the fall of Soviet Russia in 1991 was a ruse or a stratagem by the communists to try to make the West think that communism had collapsed in Russia.  There were a few people that were saying that back then.  As mentioned it does not look like Father Paul Kramer believes that now.  Personally I am still not convinced one way or another.  I don't know enough about Russia today to be certain.  But I do know that the second largest political party in Russia today is a communist party.

When Father Paul Kramer wrote this below in his July, 2006 article he was quoting Christian Rakovsky.  Christian Rakovsky was a Bulgarian socialist revolutionary, a Bolshevik politician and Soviet diplomat; he was also noted as a journalist, physician, and essayist.  He died in 1941.

"Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..."

If anything shows that Russia has spread it's errors that quote by Christian Rakovsky certainly does; "New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." which means New York is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one ..." 

I am not saying that it is concrete fact that Russia is still communist.

I can't say the same for the Democratic Party in the US though.

[awkwardcustomer]

"Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..."

If anything shows that Russia has spread it's errors that quote by Christian Rakovsky certainly does; "New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." which means New York is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one ..." 

I still don't understand the quote, whatever it is supposed to show. 

Leaving aside the fact that the errors of Communism were spread TO Russia FROM the West, perhaps Christian Rakovsky was alluding to the similar outcomes that Capitalism and Communism can have for people living under their most extreme forms.  The alliance of capitalist, corporate power with an all powerful state will be just as totalitarian and anti-Church, although in different ways, as an entirely state controlled, Communist planned economy.

The West needed no help from Russia to develop the economic system which helped dismantle to socio-economic structure of Christendom and replace it with Capitalism.  The Protestant Reformation did that. And why be surprised that Capitalists and Communists sometimes do business together?  They have a lot in common, including an appetite for power and a sociopathic way of looking at things.

[mikemac]

"Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..."

If anything shows that Russia has spread it's errors that quote by Christian Rakovsky certainly does; "New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." which means New York is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one ..." 

I still don't understand the quote, whatever it is supposed to show. 

Leaving aside the fact that the errors of Communism were spread TO Russia FROM the West, perhaps Christian Rakovsky was alluding to the similar outcomes that Capitalism and Communism can have for people living under their most extreme forms.  The alliance of capitalist, corporate power with an all powerful state will be just as totalitarian and anti-Church, although in different ways, as an entirely state controlled, Communist planned economy.

The West needed no help from Russia to develop the economic system which helped dismantle to socio-economic structure of Christendom and replace it with Capitalism.  The Protestant Reformation did that. And why be surprised that Capitalists and Communists sometimes do business together?  They have a lot in common, including an appetite for power and a sociopathic way of looking at things.

I believe Christian Rakovsky is saying the opposite; that the errors of communism were spread to the West from Russia.

[awkwardcustomer]

"Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..."

If anything shows that Russia has spread it's errors that quote by Christian Rakovsky certainly does; "New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." which means New York is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one ..." 

I still don't understand the quote, whatever it is supposed to show. 

Leaving aside the fact that the errors of Communism were spread TO Russia FROM the West, perhaps Christian Rakovsky was alluding to the similar outcomes that Capitalism and Communism can have for people living under their most extreme forms.  The alliance of capitalist, corporate power with an all powerful state will be just as totalitarian and anti-Church, although in different ways, as an entirely state controlled, Communist planned economy.

The West needed no help from Russia to develop the economic system which helped dismantle to socio-economic structure of Christendom and replace it with Capitalism.  The Protestant Reformation did that. And why be surprised that Capitalists and Communists sometimes do business together?  They have a lot in common, including an appetite for power and a sociopathic way of looking at things.

I believe Christian Rakovsky is saying the opposite; that the errors of communism were spread to the West from Russia.

Christian Rakovsky would say that, wouldn't he.

[mikemac]

"Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..."

If anything shows that Russia has spread it's errors that quote by Christian Rakovsky certainly does; "New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." which means New York is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one ..." 

I still don't understand the quote, whatever it is supposed to show. 

Leaving aside the fact that the errors of Communism were spread TO Russia FROM the West, perhaps Christian Rakovsky was alluding to the similar outcomes that Capitalism and Communism can have for people living under their most extreme forms.  The alliance of capitalist, corporate power with an all powerful state will be just as totalitarian and anti-Church, although in different ways, as an entirely state controlled, Communist planned economy.

The West needed no help from Russia to develop the economic system which helped dismantle to socio-economic structure of Christendom and replace it with Capitalism.  The Protestant Reformation did that. And why be surprised that Capitalists and Communists sometimes do business together?  They have a lot in common, including an appetite for power and a sociopathic way of looking at things.

I believe Christian Rakovsky is saying the opposite; that the errors of communism were spread to the West from Russia.

Christian Rakovsky would say that, wouldn't he.

Well yeah, seeing he was part of the design of it. 

[awkwardcustomer]

"Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." What he means by 'New York' is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one [i.e. Communist International]..."

If anything shows that Russia has spread it's errors that quote by Christian Rakovsky certainly does; "New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective." which means New York is: "The Financial International, the Capitalist-Communist one ..." 

I still don't understand the quote, whatever it is supposed to show. 

Leaving aside the fact that the errors of Communism were spread TO Russia FROM the West, perhaps Christian Rakovsky was alluding to the similar outcomes that Capitalism and Communism can have for people living under their most extreme forms.  The alliance of capitalist, corporate power with an all powerful state will be just as totalitarian and anti-Church, although in different ways, as an entirely state controlled, Communist planned economy.

The West needed no help from Russia to develop the economic system which helped dismantle to socio-economic structure of Christendom and replace it with Capitalism.  The Protestant Reformation did that. And why be surprised that Capitalists and Communists sometimes do business together?  They have a lot in common, including an appetite for power and a sociopathic way of looking at things.

I believe Christian Rakovsky is saying the opposite; that the errors of communism were spread to the West from Russia.

Christian Rakovsky would say that, wouldn't he.

Well yeah, seeing he was part of the design of it. 

No, because he knew full well where Communism originated.

And it surely wasn't Russia.

I'm not denying that the Soviets got up to all sorts in their attempts to spread their particular version of Communism, a version rejected by many who held Communist beliefs, by the way. The Chinese Maoists, the Khymer Rouge of Cambodia, the Shining Path bandits of Peru, these groups all rejected the Soviet model as having sold out true Marxism.

Russia didn't spread her errors to these groups.  Instead, they went to the source - Marxism. And where did that source originate.  In Western Europe.  If Russia couldn't even persuade fellow Communists to accept 'her errors', how come she had such a field day with the Americans?

Karl Marx was German, he was forced into exile for his revolutionary activities, he wound up in London where he wrote 'Das Kapital' in the reading room of the British Library, and he's buried in Highgate Cemetry.

And 'The Communist Manifesto' was first published in 1848 in - LONDON.

[King Wenceslas]

Reading this line of posts could make a grown man cry. Talk about all over the place. No wonder Trads are so divided. When the blow comes from God we will scatter like dust in the wind.

You sound like a bunch of loons.

[Greg]

Hard to disagree with that KW.