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"The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« on: June 18, 2015, 09:17:29 PM »
The "Recyclical" or "Eco-cyclical" contains a reference to heretic Pierre Teilhard de Chardin in §83:
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83. The ultimate destiny of the universe is in the fullness of God, which has already been attained by the risen Christ, the measure of the maturity of all things.[53] Here we can add yet another argument for rejecting every tyrannical and irresponsible domination of human beings over other creatures. The ultimate purpose of other creatures is not to be found in us. Rather, all creatures are moving forward with us and through us towards a common point of arrival, which is God, in that transcendent fullness where the risen Christ embraces and illumines all things. Human beings, endowed with intelligence and love, and drawn by the fullness of Christ, are called to lead all creatures back to their Creator.
Thus, creation becomes God, which Francis with De Chardin calls the "common point of arrival"‽

Sure, God is the Final Cause of creation, but that certainly does not mean creation becomes God. Creation comes ex nihilo and will return to nothing (cf. Gen. 3:19: "…dust thou [i.e., thy body] art, and into dust thou shalt return.").

The Holy Office suspected De Chardin of error because his works were "filled with ambiguities and even serious errors that offend Catholic doctrine," e.g., pantheism. He posited that matter evolves until it becomes living (reaching the “Biosphere”), self-conscious (reaching the “Noosphere”), spiritual, and then ultimately God (reaching the “Omega Point”). His most famous work is The Phenomenon of Man, which is on the Index.

Thompson's Between Science and Religion p. 74. says:
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Pius XII’s encyclical Humani Generis (1950) completely rejected the Teilhardian position on evolution. Teilhard was furious and he accused the encyclical of exhibiting a “masochism and sadism of orthodoxy.” The encyclical appeared to require the faithful to “swallow the truth under its crudest and stupidest forms.” The Church failed to recognize that the theories of relativity and evolution were as critical to understanding God as the constant refinement of dogmas.
When De Chardin met Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P. (thought to be the drafter of Humani Generis; cf. his commentary on it), he told a friend, after Fr. G.-L. left: "This is the man who wants to burn me at the stake!" (reported in Fr. G.-L.'s biography, The Sacred Monster of Thomism by Fr. Peddicord, O.P.).

Even Voris is attacking Humani Generis (specifically, §20) in saying Catholics are not bound by encyclicals!

Also, "conservative" Benedict XVI praised De Chardin in a homily.

Pope St. Pius X has this to say about pantheism in Pascendi:
Quote from: Pope St. Pius X
… Others, finally, explain it [vital immanence] in a way which savours of pantheism and this, in truth, is the sense which tallies best with the rest of their doctrines.

…For if all the intellectual elements, as they call them, of religion are pure symbols, will not the very name of God or of divine personality be also a symbol, and if this be admitted will not the personality of God become a matter of doubt and the way opened to Pantheism? And to Pantheism that other doctrine of the divine immanence leads directly. For does it, We ask, leave God distinct from man or not? If yes, in what does it differ from Catholic doctrine, and why reject external revelation? If no, we are at once in Pantheism. …
And Bl. Pope Pius IX's first condemned error in his Syllabus of Errors:
Quote from: condemned by Pope Pius IX
There exists no Supreme, all-wise, all-provident Divine Being, distinct from the universe, and God is identical with the nature of things, and is, therefore, subject to changes. In effect, God is produced in man and in the world, and all things are God and have the very substance of God, and God is one and the same thing with the world, and, therefore, spirit with matter, necessity with liberty, good with evil, justice with injustice
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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 09:26:23 PM »
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83. The ultimate destiny of the universe is in the fullness of God, which has already been attained by the risen Christ, the measure of the maturity of all things.
Heresy.  The ultimate destiny of the universe is annihilation, some human souls obtaining the "fullness of God" (whatever that is), which is even wrong, and most humans going to hell.

Actually the elect will see the Beatific Vision, but none can attain the "fullness" of God.  That's not possible.
"But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God (Jn 3:18)."

"All sorrow leads to the foot of the Cross.  Weep for your sins."
 

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2015, 12:38:35 AM »
james03, Geremia - enjoyed reading both you guys posts.

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83. The ultimate destiny of the universe is in the fullness of God, which has already been attained by the risen Christ, the measure of the maturity of all things.[53] Here we can add yet another argument for rejecting every tyrannical and irresponsible domination of human beings over other creatures. The ultimate purpose of other creatures is not to be found in us. Rather, all creatures are moving forward with us and through us towards a common point of arrival, which is God, in that transcendent fullness where the risen Christ embraces and illumines all things. Human beings, endowed with intelligence and love, and drawn by the fullness of Christ, are called to lead all creatures back to their Creator.

1. Was an 'argument' even made (lol)? Other than a broad sweeping statement (that's heretical to boot) then exclaiming that we now having made the case that the boogey man of "irresponsibility" and "tyranny" are present.

2. "The ultimate purpose of other creatures is not to be found in us." Does this jive with our Catholic sensibilities?
Roman Catechism (or Trent, via Donovan translation) pg. 406
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In the first place, we are not prohibited to kill those animals which are intended to be the food of man: if so intended by Almighty God, it must be lawful for us to exercise this jurisdiction over them.  "When, says S. Augustine, 'we hear the words, 'thou shalt not kill,' we are not to understand the prohibition to extend to the fruits of the earth, which are insensible, nor to irrational animals, which form no part of the great society of mankind."
Laudao si =  social engineering???


3. The Voris coverage on this has impressive mental gymnastics (I admit I watch Voris for entertainment/ feel of the pulse). Merging two completely contradictory ideas at the same time.

In this instance (Voris's words)
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"...despite the holdings of some of the questionable opinions of those who were consulted such as the planet has 6 billion too many people"... "this has nothing to do with Catholic teaching"..."Holy Father also seems to want to answer the problem by offering a political solution largely to the United Nations plan of forming a world wide international monitoring system with enforcement powers. Again, this has nothing to do with Catholic teaching." "...agenda coming from the political left."


but, in that instance (even though he's the Pope and controls who are his ghostwriters, contributers, what credentials, etc.) Voris's words in the next breath
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"...Pope Francis' good and kind nature could possibly, easily be taken advantage of by less scrupulous men...."Popes can absolutely receive bad council and repeat that bad counsel as if it were true.."
If somebody is 'good' would they even entertain bringing in the wolves inspired by UN (Luciferian) ideals??? Consult them? Allow their wicked influence in an encyclical??? Maybe because he's not good that this encyclical has "...nothing to do with Catholic teaching...."
 

 

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2015, 12:44:05 AM »
Actually the elect will see the Beatific Vision, but none can attain the "fullness" of God.  That's not possible.
Good point. I didn't notice that. Man, the layers of heresy!

Honestly, Mormons could agree with what this "Recyclical" says.
(Mormons believe we become gods.)

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2015, 12:51:44 AM »
If somebody is 'good' would they even entertain bringing in the wolves inspired by UN (Luciferian) ideals??? Consult them? Allow their wicked influence in an encyclical??? Maybe because he's not good that this encyclical has "...nothing to do with Catholic teaching...."
He should judge by the fruit. Since there's rotten bad fruit, we can judge "he's not good."
I challenge anyone to find good fruit that comes of his "Recyclical."

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2015, 01:05:22 AM »
The ultimate destiny of the universe is annihilation
There will be a great conflagration that will cleanse the world:
2 Peter 3:13: "But we expect *new heavens and a new earth according to his promises, in which justice inhabiteth.
Apoc. 21:1: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven, and the first earth was gone, and the sea now is not."

St. Thomas's answer to "Whether that fire will consume the other elements?" discusses the various views on this (i.e., whether the fire actually destroys the elements or merely purifies them). Regardless, the universe does not become God, which is pantheism.

Interestingly, the corpus of St. Thomas's first article on the final conflagation, "Whether the world is to be cleansed?," says:
Quote from: St. Thomas Aquinas
Since the world was, in a way, made for man's sake, it follows that, when man shall be glorified in the body, the other bodies of the world shall also be changed to a better state, so that it is rendered a more fitting place for him and more pleasant to look upon. …
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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2015, 03:03:01 AM »
The moment I read part of the "recyclical" it struck me as highly pantheistic.
 

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 10:25:15 AM »
If somebody is 'good' would they even entertain bringing in the wolves inspired by UN (Luciferian) ideals??? Consult them? Allow their wicked influence in an encyclical??? Maybe because he's not good that this encyclical has "...nothing to do with Catholic teaching...."
He should judge by the fruit. Since there's rotten bad fruit, we can judge "he's not good."
I challenge anyone to find good fruit that comes of his "Recyclical."

If one were to buy a book by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin; out of 100 pages you could make arguments that without a doubt there are segments of 'orthodoxy.' Likewise Laudato Si will have segments of 'orthodoxy.'

There must be orthodoxy present in  Laudato Si;  if anything to keep people 'frozen,' as how to wrap their minds around what their Catholic instinct is telling them (there's something wrong, but I can't quite put a finger on it.)

But just as you can read, what appears to be an orthodox; even a transcendent, uplifting piece on the Holy Trinity by Teilhard; if he ends his Holy Trinity teaching by removing the need for original sin....that we came from monkeys.... you've just added that drop of poisonous polonium. Fatalistic if a person is not well-catechized and takes his doctrines to their final conclusions. It will lead you right out of the Faith (over time that this); and into embracing heresy unknowingly.
 

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 11:15:20 AM »
If somebody is 'good' would they even entertain bringing in the wolves inspired by UN (Luciferian) ideals??? Consult them? Allow their wicked influence in an encyclical??? Maybe because he's not good that this encyclical has "...nothing to do with Catholic teaching...."
He should judge by the fruit. Since there's rotten bad fruit, we can judge "he's not good."
I challenge anyone to find good fruit that comes of his "Recyclical."

If one were to buy a book by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin; out of 100 pages you could make arguments that without a doubt there are segments of 'orthodoxy.' Likewise Laudato Si will have segments of 'orthodoxy.'

There must be orthodoxy present in  Laudato Si;  if anything to keep people 'frozen,' as how to wrap their minds around what their Catholic instinct is telling them (there's something wrong, but I can't quite put a finger on it.)

But just as you can read, what appears to be an orthodox; even a transcendent, uplifting piece on the Holy Trinity by Teilhard; if he ends his Holy Trinity teaching by removing the need for original sin....that we came from monkeys.... you've just added that drop of poisonous polonium. Fatalistic if a person is not well-catechized and takes his doctrines to their final conclusions. It will lead you right out of the Faith (over time that this); and into embracing heresy unknowingly.
Ambiguity and admixing orthodoxy is all arch-heretics' tactic, which Pope Pius VI said in Auctorum Fidei:
Quote from: Pope Pius VI
In order not to shock the ears of Catholics, the innovators sought to hide the subtleties of their tortuous maneuvers by the use of seemingly innocuous words such as would allow them to insinuate error into souls in the most gentle manner. Once the truth had been compromised, they could, by means of slight changes or additions in phraseology, distort the confession of the faith that is necessary for our salvation, and lead the faithful by subtle errors to their eternal damnation. This manner of dissimulating and lying is vicious, regardless of the circumstances under which it is used. For very good reasons it can never be tolerated in a synod of which the principal glory consists above all in teaching the truth with clarity and excluding all danger of error.

Moreover, if all this is sinful, it cannot be excused in the way that one sees it being done, under the erroneous pretext that the seemingly shocking affirmations in one place are further developed along orthodox lines in other places, and even in yet other places corrected; as if allowing for the possibility of either affirming or denying the statement, or of leaving it up the personal inclinations of the individual – such has always been the fraudulent and daring method used by innovators to establish error. It allows for both the possibility of promoting error and of excusing it.

It is as if the innovators pretended that they always intended to present the alternative passages, especially to those of simple faith who eventually come to know only some part of the conclusions of such discussions, which are published in the common language for everyone's use. Or again, as if the same faithful had the ability on examining such documents to judge such matters for themselves without getting confused and avoiding all risk of error. It is a most reprehensible technique for the insinuation of doctrinal errors and one condemned long ago by our predecessor St. Celestine who found it used in the writings of Nestorius, bishop of Constantinople, and which he exposed in order to condemn it with the greatest possible severity. Once these texts were examined carefully, the impostor was exposed and confounded, for he expressed himself in a plethora of words, mixing true things with others that were obscure; mixing at times one with the other in such a way that he was also able to confess those things which were denied while at the same time possessing a basis for denying those very sentences which he confessed.

In order to expose such snares, something which becomes necessary with a certain frequency in every century, no other method is required than the following: Whenever it becomes necessary to expose statements that disguise some suspected error or danger under the veil of ambiguity, one must denounce the perverse meaning under which the error opposed to Catholic truth is camouflaged.

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 12:10:20 PM »
Pius VI is so clear and concise in describing the tactics of the heretics. It makes you wonder what those revolutionaries at the Second Vatican Council were talking about when they argued that they wanted to make the faith more understandable to modern man. The language of Pius VI is pretty understandable if you ask me.
 

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" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith.”

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)
 

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 12:15:16 PM »
Anyone know if that Catholic organization with all the answers, are discussing this?
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith.”

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2015, 12:16:13 PM »
180 pages long!!  Thats a lot of paper!  Not so good for the environment.  Lol. 
 

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2015, 12:20:35 PM »
180 pages long!!  Thats a lot of paper!  Not so good for the environment.  Lol.

Rimshot!  ;D

Although I would normally agree that papal documents such as Laudato Si usually contain some truth mixed with error, it would seem that Francis is a little more audacious than most when it comes to being upfront with the error. With that said, I think this encyclical, like most recent ones, will be forgotten about rather quickly. Novelty only last so long.
 

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Re: "The Recyclical" is full of De Chardin pantheism.
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2015, 12:31:15 PM »
The content is almost irrelevant however. This is all PR for the new world religion being rolled out in partnership with the UN
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith.”

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)