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Title: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Older Salt on July 29, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
I have no references for this, but I just got off the phone to my mother, who in turn called my brother who is the FFI in Maine NY.

My brother, Andrew, was told by his superior that Father John Corapi has returned to his order.

I will post when more references become available.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Larry on July 29, 2013, 03:49:24 PM
I'm very glad to hear this(assuming it's true).
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: nmoerbeek on July 29, 2013, 08:09:22 PM
How is your brother doing?
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 29, 2013, 10:09:09 PM
Quote from: Older Salt on July 29, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
I have no references for this, but I just got off the phone to my mother, who in turn called my brother who is the FFI in Maine NY.

My brother, Andrew, was told by his superior that Father John Corapi has returned to his order.

I will post when more references become available.

Hmmm...that will be interesting to see if anything actually surfaces. 

It could be a good thing or a bad thing. 

Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Older Salt on July 30, 2013, 06:08:22 AM
Quote from: nmoerbeek on July 29, 2013, 08:09:22 PM
How is your brother doing?
Apparently, according to my mother, he is doing fine and is offering it al up to Mary.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Older Salt on July 30, 2013, 06:09:43 AM
Quote from: Gerard on July 29, 2013, 10:09:09 PM
Quote from: Older Salt on July 29, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
I have no references for this, but I just got off the phone to my mother, who in turn called my brother who is the FFI in Maine NY.

My brother, Andrew, was told by his superior that Father John Corapi has returned to his order.

I will post when more references become available.

Hmmm...that will be interesting to see if anything actually surfaces. 

It could be a good thing or a bad thing.
To leave the world behind and fulfill ones vow seems like a good thing.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 30, 2013, 08:05:53 AM
Quote from: Older Salt on July 30, 2013, 06:09:43 AM

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Hmmm...that will be interesting to see if anything actually surfaces. 

It could be a good thing or a bad thing. 
To leave the world behind and fulfill ones vow seems like a good thing.

Yes. If the regular mode of religious life were the order of the day.  SOLT as you remember had to settle a case for 2 million dollars in which one of their priests who is a homosexual hired a hit man to murder his sexual abuse victim.

That hardly constitutes the regular mode of religious life. 
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: dust on July 30, 2013, 05:44:37 PM
I hope this is true.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Greg on July 31, 2013, 01:43:51 AM
If he does come back they should ban him from any kind of publicity or media appearance.  Seems to have an addict's personality and the gift of the gab.  A dangerous combination for a monk.  Put him on a farm for the next 20 years.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Odd he hasn't gone to the press with this.  Maybe he has turned over a humility leaf.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Lynne on July 31, 2013, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Odd he hasn't gone to the press with this.  Maybe he has turned over a humility leaf.

That's the point, I'm hoping, if this is true. Maybe he's going to do a Pope Benedict thing and just quietly submit to his order. It was be wonderful to have him back in the fold. But it would be awful to have him traveling around, speaking again. Those days are gone.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Odd he hasn't gone to the press with this.  Maybe he has turned over a humility leaf.

First it's a rumor.  Wait and see.  Second, you act as if he was the guilty party even though he's denied it continually and the accusers were busy trying to get him to pay for the settlement of the sodomite who hired the hit man.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 11:33:16 AM
Quote from: catquilt on July 31, 2013, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Odd he hasn't gone to the press with this.  Maybe he has turned over a humility leaf.

That's the point, I'm hoping, if this is true. Maybe he's going to do a Pope Benedict thing and just quietly submit to his order. It was be wonderful to have him back in the fold. But it would be awful to have him traveling around, speaking again. Those days are gone.

Back in the fold?  What are you talking about?  He wasn't excommunicated, he was canonically released from ministry by his own request.  God knows we don't need good preachers condemning homosexual behavior in front of large crowds of people actually listening. 

I would rather he be gone and silent than be a puppet of corrupt religious orders.  My preference would be for a tell all book and a series of interviews.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Lynne on July 31, 2013, 11:48:05 AM
Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 11:33:16 AM
Quote from: catquilt on July 31, 2013, 11:11:48 AM
That's the point, I'm hoping, if this is true. Maybe he's going to do a Pope Benedict thing and just quietly submit to his order. It was be wonderful to have him back in the fold. But it would be awful to have him traveling around, speaking again. Those days are gone.

Back in the fold?  What are you talking about?  He wasn't excommunicated, he was canonically released from ministry by his own request.   God knows we don't need good preachers condemning homosexual behavior in front of large crowds of people actually listening. 

I would rather he be gone and silent than be a puppet of corrupt religious orders.  My preference would be for a tell all book and a series of interviews.

That's what I meant, *he* left. It would be wonderful if he came back.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: LouisIX on July 31, 2013, 12:05:19 PM
Gerard, I admire your zeal to defend Fr. Corapi until he's proven guilty, but the thing that upset me most about the way he handled things was that he stopped referring to himself as a priest and even mentioned leaving the priesthood.  I understand that his faculties were stripped, but Fr. knows well enough that he is still a priest and that scandal can be caused by insinuating that he's not.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 01:31:07 PM
Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Odd he hasn't gone to the press with this.  Maybe he has turned over a humility leaf.

First it's a rumor.  Wait and see.  Second, you act as if he was the guilty party even though he's denied it continually and the accusers were busy trying to get him to pay for the settlement of the sodomite who hired the hit man.

Calm down Gerard.  I'm not acting like anything.  He was guilty of spending and enjoying, in my personal opinion, the media too much for his own good.  That's all.  The rest, I don't know about and probably never will.  I hope he works to save his soul and those of others now.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on July 31, 2013, 12:05:19 PM
Gerard, I admire your zeal to defend Fr. Corapi until he's proven guilty, but the thing that upset me most about the way he handled things was that he stopped referring to himself as a priest and even mentioned leaving the priesthood.  I understand that his faculties were stripped, but Fr. knows well enough that he is still a priest and that scandal can be caused by insinuating that he's not.

Seems in 2011 he was still speaking clearly about the situation involving the permanance of Holy Orders.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJoEFRP5inw[/yt]
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Greg on July 31, 2013, 01:53:59 PM
He also was not using hair colour on his beard when that picture was taken.

I do wish people could see past the celebrity razmatazz.  We slag off Catholics for liking JP2's showmanship and celebrity but then we create our own with priests like Corapi.

Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: LouisIX on July 31, 2013, 02:02:44 PM
There shouldn't be any trad fascination with Fr. Corapi.  He was thoroughly neo-Catholic.  I don't think he had any connection whatsoever to the TLM, not to mention traditional Catholicism.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on July 31, 2013, 02:02:44 PM
There shouldn't be any trad fascination with Fr. Corapi.  He was thoroughly neo-Catholic.  I don't think he had any connection whatsoever to the TLM, not to mention traditional Catholicism.

I was curious about him and went to see him in 2010.  He sounded like Bishop Williamson as far as expounding Catholic doctrine and talking about enemies of the Church. 

He, like Bishop Sheen was fairly insulated from the hierarchical corruption until it got pointed at them. 

He had no training in traditional Catholicism beyond that of his grade school teaching.  In Nebraska he publicly expressed surprise and encouragement for the FSSP. 

He's not a trad and he didn't have the scope of the problem in the Church in his eyesight.  He viewed it as a series of attacks and not the coordinated one we see. 

But I never heard him utter anything remotely modernist or heretical.  He was leagues above Fr. Barron in terms of clarity and orthodoxy. 

He didn't teach me anything I didn't already know or wasn't aware of, but he was a revelation to about 13,000 people that were never hearing anything that strong in the Novus Ordo. 

He was definitely a case of the good, not being an enemy of the perfect, which is why he was probably railroaded out and piled on by the neo-Catholics. 
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 01:53:59 PM
He also was not using hair colour on his beard when that picture was taken.

I do wish people could see past the celebrity razmatazz.  We slag off Catholics for liking JP2's showmanship and celebrity but then we create our own with priests like Corapi.

Coloring the gray out of your hair is hardly celebrity razzmatazz. And traditional Catholicism has plenty of "show" in it and plenty of larger than life characters. 

JPII's showmanship was very effective in bringing attention to him.  But he wasn't using it to make the sale for Catholicism.  Had JPII spoken like a real trad or even with the forcefulness of Corapi, trads would have been fine with alot of his "personality" excluding the liturgical nightmares of course. 

Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Greg on July 31, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
Come on Gerard, get real for a minute.  When a 50-60 year old man who is celebate dies his beard there is something behind that.  You die your hair because you want to look younger and more attractive to other people.  A married man might conceiveable do it if his wife asked him to.

But a Franciscan priest, of all people, should not be worring about his appearance other than to look clean and tidy.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Greg on July 31, 2013, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Had JPII spoken like a real trad or even with the forcefulness of Corapi, trads would have been fine with alot of his "personality" excluding the liturgical nightmares of course.

Not sure they would.  The Pope should behave in a dignified way.

If he is popular or showboating it is a worrying sign.  Religion is not entertainment, bread and circuses and nor should it lower itself to that level.

The dignity and the mystery are what make Traditionalism attractive.  If I want to be entertained the secular entertainers are SO much better.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
Come on Gerard, get real for a minute.  When a 50-60 year old man who is celebate dies his beard there is something behind that.  You die your hair because you want to look younger and more attractive to other people.  A married man might conceiveable do it if his wife asked him to.

But a Franciscan priest, of all people, should not be worring about his appearance other than to look clean and tidy.

There is something behind it, but it's practical if anything.  If he's giving a series of lectures in big arena's under bright lights and it's televised and recorded, he's going to look washed out and featureless especially since he had a severe illness brought on by vitamin D deficiency which was one of the reasons for his weight loss. 

Bishop Sheen would have had to wear green face makeup during the black and white era of television.  And while I bring that up, when one compares theatricality, Bishop Sheen was much more operatic than Fr. Corapi.  And I don't have a problem with that.  I bet Jesus Himself could make quite a scene in getting His message across. 


Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Had JPII spoken like a real trad or even with the forcefulness of Corapi, trads would have been fine with alot of his "personality" excluding the liturgical nightmares of course.

Not sure they would.  The Pope should behave in a dignified way.

If he is popular or showboating it is a worrying sign.  Religion is not entertainment, bread and circuses and nor should it lower itself to that level.

The dignity and the mystery are what make Traditionalism attractive.  If I want to be entertained the secular entertainers are SO much better.


Are you an all masses should be low masses person? 

You sound like the iconoclasts who trashed the Sedia Gestatoria and the Flambeaux fans.  Are the Swiss Guards dressed like that for security? 

Pope Francis sounds like your kind of guy.  He needs a place for his beach ball, and an altar will do just fine.  Lean it up against the tabernacle. 

Pius XII was a Pope with a good sense of image.  And he was showing off deliberately how modern he was with his telephone and typewriter.

And he was playing with his birds in front of cameras quite often

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Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Petertherock on July 31, 2013, 09:20:05 PM
I know Fr. Corapi was very influential in my conversion to traditional Catholicism. Without him I probably would still be going to the happy clappy NO Church.

Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Greg on July 31, 2013, 10:30:00 PM
All those pictures look pretty dignified to me.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Bonaventure on July 31, 2013, 10:33:02 PM
Most of the world, the neo cons, and the soft trads fell for the conservative façade JPII put on. Even more so for Ratzinger.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Greg on July 31, 2013, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
Come on Gerard, get real for a minute.  When a 50-60 year old man who is celebate dies his beard there is something behind that.  You die your hair because you want to look younger and more attractive to other people.  A married man might conceiveable do it if his wife asked him to.

But a Franciscan priest, of all people, should not be worring about his appearance other than to look clean and tidy.

There is something behind it, but it's practical if anything.  If he's giving a series of lectures in big arena's under bright lights and it's televised and recorded, he's going to look washed out and featureless especially since he had a severe illness brought on by vitamin D deficiency which was one of the reasons for his weight loss.

He would look his age.  Not like some near retirement aged man having a late mid life crisis.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Older Salt on August 01, 2013, 05:42:30 AM
The dying of Fr,s goatee could be neither here nor there.

He might just have been messing around as I do with shaping my beard.

No backstory or drama attached to it.  Just boredom or a change of pace.

It is not necessarily indicative of a sinful lifestyle.

Let us give Father the benefit of the doubt on that one.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Greg on August 01, 2013, 06:50:02 AM
So priests in their 50s usually die their beard and eyebrows black, just on a whim?

That is not my experience of good priests or normal healthy men in general.

It is the sort of thing actors, entertainers and Media luvies do or men who work in the fashion industry.

Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Older Salt on August 01, 2013, 07:21:54 AM
Fr Corapi could have dyed his beard for the wrong reason, or not.

What I am saying is none of us know for sure that he did it for sinful reasons.

He could have just been messing around innocently.

Anyhow, Father Corapi has apparently come back to his senses now.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: trentcath on August 01, 2013, 08:13:43 AM
Quote from: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 01:31:07 PM
Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Odd he hasn't gone to the press with this.  Maybe he has turned over a humility leaf.

First it's a rumor.  Wait and see.  Second, you act as if he was the guilty party even though he's denied it continually and the accusers were busy trying to get him to pay for the settlement of the sodomite who hired the hit man.

Calm down Gerard.  I'm not acting like anything.  He was guilty of spending and enjoying, in my personal opinion, the media too much for his own good.  That's all.  The rest, I don't know about and probably never will.  I hope he works to save his soul and those of others now.

Don't get Gerard started on the subject, he has somewhat of a neurosis when it comes to Fr Corapi as those of us from FE will remember.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on August 01, 2013, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 10:43:53 PM
He would look his age.  Not like some near retirement aged man having a late mid life crisis.

That's right, lighting has nothing to do with how someone appears when they are public speakers.  But public speakers, actors and media people don't take measures to compensate for unnatural lighting, they must do it out of fixations. 

Do you have a problem with men who clip their nose hair and the wild jungles of their ears? Are they too preening and mincing for the ear wax and snot-nosed proud? 

I'm just curious as to where you draw the line.  It seems you're just taking rather unmanly and sophomoric potshots as far as I can see and they really don't amount to much logically.

 

Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Gerard on August 01, 2013, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: trentcath on August 01, 2013, 08:13:43 AM
Don't get Gerard started on the subject, he has somewhat of a neurosis when it comes to Fr Corapi as those of us from FE will remember.

Consistency, not neurosis.  I do spiritual works of mercy when rebuking trads for rash judgment and sounding like idiots when they go off on these irrational benders.
Title: Re: Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.
Post by: Othmar on August 01, 2013, 01:44:57 PM
I'm not exactly familiar with the case of Fr. Corapi, but I hope he finds peace with the SOLT (again).