Father Corapi sells his belonings and returns to SOLT.

Started by Older Salt, July 29, 2013, 03:42:13 PM

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dymphna17

Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: dymphna17 on July 31, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Odd he hasn't gone to the press with this.  Maybe he has turned over a humility leaf.

First it's a rumor.  Wait and see.  Second, you act as if he was the guilty party even though he's denied it continually and the accusers were busy trying to get him to pay for the settlement of the sodomite who hired the hit man.

Calm down Gerard.  I'm not acting like anything.  He was guilty of spending and enjoying, in my personal opinion, the media too much for his own good.  That's all.  The rest, I don't know about and probably never will.  I hope he works to save his soul and those of others now.
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Gerard

Quote from: LouisIX on July 31, 2013, 12:05:19 PM
Gerard, I admire your zeal to defend Fr. Corapi until he's proven guilty, but the thing that upset me most about the way he handled things was that he stopped referring to himself as a priest and even mentioned leaving the priesthood.  I understand that his faculties were stripped, but Fr. knows well enough that he is still a priest and that scandal can be caused by insinuating that he's not.

Seems in 2011 he was still speaking clearly about the situation involving the permanance of Holy Orders.

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Greg

He also was not using hair colour on his beard when that picture was taken.

I do wish people could see past the celebrity razmatazz.  We slag off Catholics for liking JP2's showmanship and celebrity but then we create our own with priests like Corapi.

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LouisIX

There shouldn't be any trad fascination with Fr. Corapi.  He was thoroughly neo-Catholic.  I don't think he had any connection whatsoever to the TLM, not to mention traditional Catholicism.
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Gerard

Quote from: LouisIX on July 31, 2013, 02:02:44 PM
There shouldn't be any trad fascination with Fr. Corapi.  He was thoroughly neo-Catholic.  I don't think he had any connection whatsoever to the TLM, not to mention traditional Catholicism.

I was curious about him and went to see him in 2010.  He sounded like Bishop Williamson as far as expounding Catholic doctrine and talking about enemies of the Church. 

He, like Bishop Sheen was fairly insulated from the hierarchical corruption until it got pointed at them. 

He had no training in traditional Catholicism beyond that of his grade school teaching.  In Nebraska he publicly expressed surprise and encouragement for the FSSP. 

He's not a trad and he didn't have the scope of the problem in the Church in his eyesight.  He viewed it as a series of attacks and not the coordinated one we see. 

But I never heard him utter anything remotely modernist or heretical.  He was leagues above Fr. Barron in terms of clarity and orthodoxy. 

He didn't teach me anything I didn't already know or wasn't aware of, but he was a revelation to about 13,000 people that were never hearing anything that strong in the Novus Ordo. 

He was definitely a case of the good, not being an enemy of the perfect, which is why he was probably railroaded out and piled on by the neo-Catholics. 

Gerard

Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 01:53:59 PM
He also was not using hair colour on his beard when that picture was taken.

I do wish people could see past the celebrity razmatazz.  We slag off Catholics for liking JP2's showmanship and celebrity but then we create our own with priests like Corapi.

Coloring the gray out of your hair is hardly celebrity razzmatazz. And traditional Catholicism has plenty of "show" in it and plenty of larger than life characters. 

JPII's showmanship was very effective in bringing attention to him.  But he wasn't using it to make the sale for Catholicism.  Had JPII spoken like a real trad or even with the forcefulness of Corapi, trads would have been fine with alot of his "personality" excluding the liturgical nightmares of course. 


Greg

Come on Gerard, get real for a minute.  When a 50-60 year old man who is celebate dies his beard there is something behind that.  You die your hair because you want to look younger and more attractive to other people.  A married man might conceiveable do it if his wife asked him to.

But a Franciscan priest, of all people, should not be worring about his appearance other than to look clean and tidy.
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Greg

Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Had JPII spoken like a real trad or even with the forcefulness of Corapi, trads would have been fine with alot of his "personality" excluding the liturgical nightmares of course.

Not sure they would.  The Pope should behave in a dignified way.

If he is popular or showboating it is a worrying sign.  Religion is not entertainment, bread and circuses and nor should it lower itself to that level.

The dignity and the mystery are what make Traditionalism attractive.  If I want to be entertained the secular entertainers are SO much better.
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Gerard

Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
Come on Gerard, get real for a minute.  When a 50-60 year old man who is celebate dies his beard there is something behind that.  You die your hair because you want to look younger and more attractive to other people.  A married man might conceiveable do it if his wife asked him to.

But a Franciscan priest, of all people, should not be worring about his appearance other than to look clean and tidy.

There is something behind it, but it's practical if anything.  If he's giving a series of lectures in big arena's under bright lights and it's televised and recorded, he's going to look washed out and featureless especially since he had a severe illness brought on by vitamin D deficiency which was one of the reasons for his weight loss. 

Bishop Sheen would have had to wear green face makeup during the black and white era of television.  And while I bring that up, when one compares theatricality, Bishop Sheen was much more operatic than Fr. Corapi.  And I don't have a problem with that.  I bet Jesus Himself could make quite a scene in getting His message across. 



Gerard

Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Had JPII spoken like a real trad or even with the forcefulness of Corapi, trads would have been fine with alot of his "personality" excluding the liturgical nightmares of course.

Not sure they would.  The Pope should behave in a dignified way.

If he is popular or showboating it is a worrying sign.  Religion is not entertainment, bread and circuses and nor should it lower itself to that level.

The dignity and the mystery are what make Traditionalism attractive.  If I want to be entertained the secular entertainers are SO much better.


Are you an all masses should be low masses person? 

You sound like the iconoclasts who trashed the Sedia Gestatoria and the Flambeaux fans.  Are the Swiss Guards dressed like that for security? 

Pope Francis sounds like your kind of guy.  He needs a place for his beach ball, and an altar will do just fine.  Lean it up against the tabernacle. 

Pius XII was a Pope with a good sense of image.  And he was showing off deliberately how modern he was with his telephone and typewriter.

And he was playing with his birds in front of cameras quite often

 



Pope Leo XIII gave an endorsement for a restorative tonic/wine


Petertherock

I know Fr. Corapi was very influential in my conversion to traditional Catholicism. Without him I probably would still be going to the happy clappy NO Church.

Darryl
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Greg

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Bonaventure

Most of the world, the neo cons, and the soft trads fell for the conservative façade JPII put on. Even more so for Ratzinger.
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Greg

Quote from: Gerard on July 31, 2013, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 31, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
Come on Gerard, get real for a minute.  When a 50-60 year old man who is celebate dies his beard there is something behind that.  You die your hair because you want to look younger and more attractive to other people.  A married man might conceiveable do it if his wife asked him to.

But a Franciscan priest, of all people, should not be worring about his appearance other than to look clean and tidy.

There is something behind it, but it's practical if anything.  If he's giving a series of lectures in big arena's under bright lights and it's televised and recorded, he's going to look washed out and featureless especially since he had a severe illness brought on by vitamin D deficiency which was one of the reasons for his weight loss.

He would look his age.  Not like some near retirement aged man having a late mid life crisis.
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Older Salt

The dying of Fr,s goatee could be neither here nor there.

He might just have been messing around as I do with shaping my beard.

No backstory or drama attached to it.  Just boredom or a change of pace.

It is not necessarily indicative of a sinful lifestyle.

Let us give Father the benefit of the doubt on that one.
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