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Title: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: LouisIX on March 22, 2013, 03:23:57 AM
VP Biden: Dignity trumps ring-kissing etiquette
By VERENA DOBNIK | Associated Press

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Reuters/REUTERS - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and his wife Jill (L) are greeted by Pope Francis in Saint Peter's Basilica after his inauguration at the Vatican, in a picture released by Osservatore Romano



NEW YORK (AP) — Joe Biden doesn't kiss up to anyone — whether a queen or a pope.

The vice president told a gathering of Irish-Americans in New York City on Thursday that as a young U.S. senator he was to meet the queen of England.

He remembers getting a call from his mother, who told him not to kiss the queen's ring.

Years later, when he was to meet Pope John Paul II, Biden says his mother told him not to kiss the pope's ring.

Biden, a Roman Catholic descended from struggling Irish immigrants, says his dad said it was "all about dignity."

Biden says his mother told him that no one is "better" than him. And while Biden should treat everyone with respect, his mother said her son should also "demand respect.'"

(http://news.yahoo.com/vp-biden-dignity-trumps-ring-kissing-etiquette-233606102.html)
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: LouisIX on March 22, 2013, 03:24:52 AM
This isn't surprising but it's almost mind-numbing to try and understand a thought process so warped. 

What a world, where the chief vice is called virtue.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 22, 2013, 05:27:05 AM
Not surprising, but I'm shocked his wife is wearing a veil.  She might just be trying to fit in. 
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: LouisIX on March 22, 2013, 05:28:38 AM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 05:27:05 AM
Not surprising, but I'm shocked his wife is wearing a veil.  She might just be trying to fit in.

I thought the same.  Do many women wear veils at St. Peter's, however?  I would guess not, but I've never been.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 22, 2013, 05:32:38 AM
I remember hearing somewhere that Italian women often still cover their heads when in Church.  I can't remember where I heard or read it so I have no idea if I'm way off the mark.  But it would make more sense for her to do it as a culture thing rather than out of understanding and respect. 
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: LouisIX on March 22, 2013, 05:51:27 AM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 05:32:38 AM
I remember hearing somewhere that Italian women often still cover their heads when in Church.  I can't remember where I heard or read it so I have no idea if I'm way off the mark.  But it would make more sense for her to do it as a culture thing rather than out of understanding and respect.

Call me a pessimist but I didn't even seriously entertain the thought of the latter.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: stitchmom on March 22, 2013, 08:07:57 AM
We shouldn't assume things about a wife's beliefs based on her husband's conduct. There are examples in the Bible like Abigail where a good woman was married to a foolish man.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: EcceQuamBonum on March 22, 2013, 08:27:26 AM
Well, I'm sure Pope Francis didn't mind that Biden didn't kiss his ring.  Dignity, meet humility; humility, dignity.   ;)
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Gerard on March 22, 2013, 08:31:02 AM
Hard to figure out how Biden has dignity when he destroys the dignity of his soul and nothing he says, does or thinks has any positive value except as a warning to others of what not to do or be.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Bonaventure on March 22, 2013, 08:44:50 AM
Even Kennedy refused to kiss Paul VI's ring.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 22, 2013, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: stitchmom on March 22, 2013, 08:07:57 AM
We shouldn't assume things about a wife's beliefs based on her husband's conduct. There are examples in the Bible like Abigail where a good woman was married to a foolish man.

Yep and there are plenty of other instances in the bible where the woman caused her husband to sin or was the wicked or foolish one in the relationship.  Real quick, what's that story about Eve eating the apple...?

The bible is often misquoted or misinterpreted.  In fact it's been used by radicals for centuries in order to justify their crazed actions.  I would hesitate from pulling random stories from it to try and correlate them with our lives.  I don't think that's it's purpose at all. 

To back myself up I did a quick google search.  Jill Biden shares her husband's views and is pro abortion through and through.

http://archive.lifenews.com/nat4337.html

Quote"Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- In a spat among the wives of the candidates for president, Michelle Obama and Jill Biden say that keeping unlimited abortions legal is important. They disagree with Cindy McCain, who says she is pro-life but knows Americans are worried about the economy.

The skirmish started with an interview McCain gave to ABC's "Good Morning America" on Wednesday, in which she repeated her pro-life position.

While she agrees with her husband, the Arizona senator John McCain, on opposing abortion, Cindy McCain told Diane Sawyer that Americans are focusing on the economy and resisted the news anchor's repeated bias in her abortion questions.

"There are people without jobs, that are hurting, whose businesses who have collapsed. This is not the major issue on people's minds right now," she said.

After ABC news showed Biden and Obama the clip, both questioned McCain and claimed that keeping abortion legal is an important issue for women.

"I think it's very important personally," Biden told ABC News' Claire Shipman. "But I am of that generation of women who fought for Roe v. Wade and I can't imagine the Supreme Court overturning it. I think women have to remember that."

Michelle Obama agreed and told the program: "It's one of the many important issues that women are going to be thinking about in this election."

The pair also went after pro-life Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, saying women voters will not support her just because she is a woman.

"Why would they vote for her just because she's a woman?" asked Biden. "I mean, what's the rationale behind that? They have to look at how things are going to change and help their families. That's what they have to focus on."

That Michelle Obama is pro-abortion is no surprise to followers of the campaign.

In May, she came under fire for a letter she wrote defending partial-birth abortions and defending her husband during his 2004 campaign for saying he opposed a national ban on the gruesome abortion procedure.

At the Democratic convention last month, she attacked John McCain's pro-life views at a fundraiser for a leading pro-abortion group that calls for taxpayer funded abortions and promotes partial-birth abortions."

So I'll state it again.  I highly doubt she knowingly veiled herself out of respect for Our Lord or even the Holy Father.  She was probably told by some PR person that it would be a good idea or that it was customary and complied. 
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on March 22, 2013, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 05:27:05 AM
Not surprising, but I'm shocked his wife is wearing a veil.  She might just be trying to fit in.
Have you seen the Biden's bible?
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Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 22, 2013, 10:17:28 AM
Your point?
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Ancilla Domini on March 22, 2013, 10:32:27 AM
Quote from: EcceQuamBonum on March 22, 2013, 08:27:26 AM
Well, I'm sure Pope Francis didn't mind that Biden didn't kiss his ring.  Dignity, meet humility; humility, dignity.   ;)

My thoughts exactly.  :)
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: stitchmom on March 22, 2013, 10:41:56 AM
That wasn't an example of twisting a Bible story to fit something crazy.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Penelope on March 22, 2013, 10:43:35 AM
Jill Biden is likely wearing a veil because that's what women are supposed to do when meeting a pope (although I was under the impression that that was for private audiences...). Note that she's wearing all black, as is the custom for women when meeting the pope, unless they are queens, in which case they wear all white, veil included.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Innocent Smith on March 22, 2013, 11:32:12 AM
Quote from: Bonaventure on March 22, 2013, 08:44:50 AM
Even Kennedy refused to kiss Paul VI's ring.

Are we certain of this? His wife certainly did.

Here is a short an interesting piece of film.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFmssehvA2E[/yt]

I know that JFK was extremely conscience of not looking like a fool. He would never ever wear a hat given him at an event, etc. Perhaps visiting him as head of state he was advised not to kiss the ring.

Those were different times and his wife kissing it was a nice touch.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Gerard on March 22, 2013, 12:10:20 PM
Notice that at that time, the Pope was demonstrably seated higher than anyone he was meeting?  I think it was JPII who did away with that. 
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Christknight104 on March 22, 2013, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: LouisIX on March 22, 2013, 05:28:38 AM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 05:27:05 AM
Not surprising, but I'm shocked his wife is wearing a veil.  She might just be trying to fit in.

I thought the same.  Do many women wear veils at St. Peter's, however?  I would guess not, but I've never been.

It is Vatican protocol for Queens and First ladies to dress in black and cover their heads with a veil when visiting the pope.

Mrs. Laura Bush:

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Queen Elizabeth II
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Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Innocent Smith on March 22, 2013, 12:19:59 PM
Interesting point on the pope being higher, Gerard. Thanks for making it.

One other point. I never heard of the Queen having a ring to kiss. What on earth is Biden talking about?

Does he mean he will not bow and his wife will not curtsy?

Of course being that it is Biden, perhaps he is talking about kissing some queen's ring. As in a TG.



Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Innocent Smith on March 22, 2013, 12:37:55 PM
QuoteBiden, a Roman Catholic descended from struggling Irish immigrants, says his dad said it was "all about dignity."

Biden says his mother told him that no one is "better" than him. And while Biden should treat everyone with respect, his mother said her son should also "demand respect.'"

Judging by his hotel bill for one night in Paris, it would appear he is getting what he is demanding. Now I know that Paris is expensive by $585,000 for one night?

He must have been hitting the mini bar pretty hard.

Biden's One-Night Paris Hotel Tab: $585,000.50 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bidens-one-night-paris-hotel-tab-58500050_708799.html)
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: MilesChristi on March 22, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
guilt
Title: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 22, 2013, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: stitchmom on March 22, 2013, 10:41:56 AM
That wasn't an example of twisting a Bible story to fit something crazy.

But you did use the bible to try and make a point about females. A point that I could easily turn around and make in support of males.

You say don't assume something about a woman. All i did was say fine and provided a source. I'm curious why you're so anxious to stick up for a pro abortion woman?
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: OCLittleFlower on March 22, 2013, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 05:32:38 AM
I remember hearing somewhere that Italian women often still cover their heads when in Church.  I can't remember where I heard or read it so I have no idea if I'm way off the mark.  But it would make more sense for her to do it as a culture thing rather than out of understanding and respect.

I didn't see veiled women in Italy -- I've spent a month there on two different occasions, always going to church with relatives.

And in the famous churches like St. Peter's, most people are tourists anyway.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: OCLittleFlower on March 22, 2013, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: stitchmom on March 22, 2013, 10:41:56 AM
That wasn't an example of twisting a Bible story to fit something crazy.

But you did use the bible to try and make a point about females. A point that I could easily turn around and make in support of males.

You say don't assume something about a woman. All i did was say fine and provided a source. I'm curious why you're so anxious to stick up for a pro abortion woman?

Perhaps Stitchmom didn't know that Jill Biden is in favor of abortion.

I'd never even heard the woman's name before this thread.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 22, 2013, 01:45:44 PM
Quote from: OCLittleFlower on March 22, 2013, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 05:32:38 AM
I remember hearing somewhere that Italian women often still cover their heads when in Church.  I can't remember where I heard or read it so I have no idea if I'm way off the mark.  But it would make more sense for her to do it as a culture thing rather than out of understanding and respect.

I didn't see veiled women in Italy -- I've spent a month there on two different occasions, always going to church with relatives.

And in the famous churches like St. Peter's, most people are tourists anyway.

Fair enough.  Like I said I'm probably off the mark.  I don't know where I remember hearing that. 
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 22, 2013, 01:50:12 PM
Quote from: OCLittleFlower on March 22, 2013, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: stitchmom on March 22, 2013, 10:41:56 AM
That wasn't an example of twisting a Bible story to fit something crazy.

But you did use the bible to try and make a point about females. A point that I could easily turn around and make in support of males.

You say don't assume something about a woman. All i did was say fine and provided a source. I'm curious why you're so anxious to stick up for a pro abortion woman?

Perhaps Stitchmom didn't know that Jill Biden is in favor of abortion.

I'd never even heard the woman's name before this thread.

A fair point.  But you'd think that before you stuck up for somebody you might do a little bit of research.  She isn't exactly a nobody, it took me less than 15 seconds to find that article using google. 

I thought her use of the bible and assessment of the discussion was extremely biased towards women.  Like referencing the Bible was a trump card or something.   
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 22, 2013, 01:54:20 PM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on March 22, 2013, 12:37:55 PM
QuoteBiden, a Roman Catholic descended from struggling Irish immigrants, says his dad said it was "all about dignity."

Biden says his mother told him that no one is "better" than him. And while Biden should treat everyone with respect, his mother said her son should also "demand respect.'"

Judging by his hotel bill for one night in Paris, it would appear he is getting what he is demanding. Now I know that Paris is expensive by $585,000 for one night?

He must have been hitting the mini bar pretty hard.

Biden's One-Night Paris Hotel Tab: $585,000.50 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bidens-one-night-paris-hotel-tab-58500050_708799.html)

That's obscene.  I can't fathom spending that much money in one night. 
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Greg on March 22, 2013, 02:00:12 PM
I've seen people do more in Russia.

I guess they have to book the entire hotel for security purposes.  Still comes to $500 per room per night though.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: CamelliaSinensis on March 22, 2013, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: Gerard on March 22, 2013, 12:10:20 PM
Notice that at that time, the Pope was demonstrably seated higher than anyone he was meeting?  I think it was JPII who did away with that.
We were at least doing it again during diplomatic audiences with B16 sitting in the elevated throne, higher then the audience. Alas, Pope Francis has returned us to the white chair days again.  :( 
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: OCLittleFlower on March 22, 2013, 02:28:14 PM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 01:50:12 PM
Quote from: OCLittleFlower on March 22, 2013, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: Archer on March 22, 2013, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: stitchmom on March 22, 2013, 10:41:56 AM
That wasn't an example of twisting a Bible story to fit something crazy.

But you did use the bible to try and make a point about females. A point that I could easily turn around and make in support of males.

You say don't assume something about a woman. All i did was say fine and provided a source. I'm curious why you're so anxious to stick up for a pro abortion woman?

Perhaps Stitchmom didn't know that Jill Biden is in favor of abortion.

I'd never even heard the woman's name before this thread.

A fair point.  But you'd think that before you stuck up for somebody you might do a little bit of research.  She isn't exactly a nobody, it took me less than 15 seconds to find that article using google. 

I thought her use of the bible and assessment of the discussion was extremely biased towards women.  Like referencing the Bible was a trump card or something.

I agree -- to some degree about the Bible reference.

However, I also agree with Stitchmom that we shouldn't judge people by what their spouses do.  Which, of course, you aren't doing, since Mrs. Biden's support of abortion is her own action and not her husband's.   ;)
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: OCLittleFlower on March 22, 2013, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: Greg on March 22, 2013, 02:00:12 PM
I've seen people do more in Russia.

I guess they have to book the entire hotel for security purposes.  Still comes to $500 per room per night though.

Good point!

Biden et al do enough actual bad things for us not to have to go digging for things to twist into something bad.  :)
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: SouthpawLink on March 22, 2013, 02:31:51 PM
"By sinning man departs from the order of reason, and consequently falls away from the dignity of his manhood, in so far as he is naturally free, and exists for himself, and he falls into the slavish state of the beasts, by being disposed of according as he is useful to others. . . .  Hence, although it be evil in itself to kill a man so long as he preserve his dignity, yet it may be good to kill a man who has sinned, even as it is to kill a beast" (St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiæ, Q. 64, art. 2, ad 3).

Vice President Biden has recently received a 100% rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America four times in a five-year period.  His argument that no one's better than him doesn't fly, as by sinning grievously, he's lost at least a portion of his dignity.  This is entirely beside the fact that Pope Francis is his superior, to whom he — as a Catholic — owes reverence and obedience.

Vice President Biden is an adult and is therefore responsible to be knowledgeable about the Catholic faith, which includes the respect and signs of respect he should have and show towards the Vicar of Christ.  His mother won't be there when his soul's being judged immediately after his death.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Adeodatus on March 22, 2013, 02:50:45 PM
 :vomit:

That's all I can muster for the great Joe Biden.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Kaesekopf on March 22, 2013, 04:05:38 PM
Two liberals meet and neither perform the roles or customs associated with meeting?

In other news, dog bites man, bear defecates in woods.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: OCLittleFlower on March 22, 2013, 04:17:50 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 22, 2013, 04:05:38 PM
Two liberals meet and neither perform the roles or customs associated with meeting?

In other news, dog bites man, bear defecates in woods.

:laugh:
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: LouisIX on March 22, 2013, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: stitchmom on March 22, 2013, 08:07:57 AM
We shouldn't assume things about a wife's beliefs based on her husband's conduct. There are examples in the Bible like Abigail where a good woman was married to a foolish man.

You're right, stitchmom.  Thank you for the reminder.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Dom Passerini on March 22, 2013, 11:47:30 PM
Geeeeeez, what's with the Biden family inferiority complex!?  I suppose his parents thought they were doing him a favor...
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Greg on March 23, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
Jill looks pretty attractive for 62.  Must have good genes or a great plastic surgeon.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Der Kaiser on March 23, 2013, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: Gerard on March 22, 2013, 12:10:20 PM
Notice that at that time, the Pope was demonstrably seated higher than anyone he was meeting?  I think it was JPII who did away with that.

Yeah and if he would have greeted Kennedy it would have been with a retinue of clowns and then invited  him back to St Peter's for a break dance.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: stitchmom on March 23, 2013, 09:44:40 PM
Quote from: Greg on March 23, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
Jill looks pretty attractive for 62.  Must have good genes or a great plastic surgeon.

Most likely both.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: OCLittleFlower on March 23, 2013, 11:54:27 PM
Quote from: Greg on March 23, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
Jill looks pretty attractive for 62.  Must have good genes or a great plastic surgeon.

She looks about 60 to me.  *shrug*
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 24, 2013, 01:02:26 PM
Greg, you know you're getting old if you think she's attractive lol. 
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Greg on March 25, 2013, 12:17:42 PM
I am old
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Gottmitunsalex on March 25, 2013, 10:04:17 PM
A handsome couple, to be sure.
It would be grand if they were only Catholic.

Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Bonaventure on March 25, 2013, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on March 25, 2013, 10:04:17 PM
A handsome couple, to be sure.
It would be grand if they were only Catholic.

New Church thinks they are.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Christknight104 on March 25, 2013, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: Bonaventure on March 25, 2013, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Gottmitunsalex on March 25, 2013, 10:04:17 PM
A handsome couple, to be sure.
It would be grand if they were only Catholic.

New Church thinks they are.

In full communion and eligible to receive sacraments unquestionably.
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: dymphna17 on March 26, 2013, 08:26:27 PM
I find it interesting that while JB and Pope Francis constantly give shout outs to their non-conformist peeps, Ms JB follows protocol (for whatever reason.)   :popcorn:
Title: Re: VP Joe Biden Refuses to Kiss Pope's Ring Due to His "Dignity"
Post by: Archer on March 27, 2013, 05:39:04 AM
Quote from: Greg on March 25, 2013, 12:17:42 PM
I am old

I wonder what she would say about you.